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After our duck opener adventure, I got to thinking...
Had the CO's not given us the benefit of the doubt, that we were oblivious to the baiting going on in the area, and decided to charge us, and confiscate the birds, gun, etc.
I know they can take the boat, truck, and everything else afield, but could they take the dog?
Weird question I know, but was something I was pondering. The dog, at that point, is a hunting tool, and wondering if as such, they could confiscate her as well.
Never heard of it and really never thought of it. I would have to guess it would have to be an exstream case
That's a great question TR to which I don't have the answer but I think they probably could take the dog. I have not heard of it happening. Now with the hard times upon the Ministry could they afford to feed the dog?
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Good question. As you said it's probably possible because the dog was being used as a Hunting tool. On the other side they would then have to take on the responsibility for the care of the dog. I would imagine they have a local impound kennel for any dogs confiscated at a daily cost that would be charged to the Ministry. When everything played out after court and convictions etc the impound rate would probably be charged back to the owner upon clamming the dog. Of course that could lead into several weeks if not months and years, so the cost of looking after the dog would definitely be crazy expensive. With smaller budgets and cuts backs in government these days they probably don't like taking that risk of being left with a hefty impound fee after the dust settles. The possibility also exists that the original dog owner can't afford the bill and walks. Or if the dog owner wins the case I would imagine the cost would have to be absorbed by the Ministry (more money out of the budget). Anyway, just my 2 cents and sheer speculation on the subject. I am sure there is a better answer out there somewhere.
I would think it would be very unlikely, unless they felt the dog was being mistreated and they decided to get the humane society involved.
Yes the dog is the most valuable thing you have... he could have if he wanted to
I guess they could. I wonder if they out the dog in a pound if you would have to pay to have it released?
Good input so far, next time I run into one in the field I'll have to remember to ask.
They don't want yellow labs . Relax TR bud . If I was a CO and you asked me that question I would seize your gun and then take you to the nearest psych ward for observation and evaluation . LOL
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TR...there is case law from probably 25 or 30 years ago, that dealt with basically your situation. An individual went to hunt at a very large controlled hunting marsh in Dover Twp, was caught and charged with shooting over bait. As I remember it, she was initially convicted, but the conviction was overturned on appeal. Her defence was, she was not responsible for placing the bait, that she only arrived at the marsh to hunt in the dark, and had no knowledge of the bait. It was the Chapin decision if I remember correctly.
As far as seizing the dog, I highly doubt that as the dog was not used in the commission of any offence. She is only used to retrieve an already harvested bird.
As always, you were beyond helpful, so far beyond, it wasn't even close to being :P kidding of course BB!Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
That makes sense Rick, I don't think CO's are "out to get" you, but was curious if someone was really putting the gears to them and pushing all the wrong buttons, if they could hit them where it hurts and confiscate the animal as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I just asked my buddy who is an Ontario CO. His answer was no way. Not worth the trouble.
I think a bad situation would quickly escalate to a serious situation if someone was trying to seize a dog !!!
Right you are. CO's or any LEO for that matter will react in a manner that reflects the manner in which he/she is treated. You will get what you dish out.....only a lot worse !!Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie
The logistics of dealing with a dog aren't of enough value in getting a conviction is how he put it. Cases could be months before court date. Now if you pizz off the CO's enough then they can and have been known to seize float planes and ATV's. Apparently most poachers cave on the spot when the CO's drop the tailgate and start loading up a seized ATV. Seems most poachers buy them on time and are more scared of coming home and explaining to the wife why she will now be making payments on a bike he had seized for breaking the law.
They take it all , your dog would be going to the local kennel until issue was settled. They don't screw around they take it all
You obviously haven't read the preceding posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo stick
What if you have a buddy or say, your wife doing the retrieving? Could they confiscate her?
Or.....maybe they just fine the dog?
kidding of course, never really thought about it but Terry seems to have the most credible and logical answer......
Sieze the dog! Cold dead hands come to mind, take what you want but don't screw with my dog, that's fighting talk right there and I would probably go down if it came to that.
But I seriously don't think that they would do that.
Good question, and what I have learned from this thread is if I ever get in trouble I will contact rick_iles to represent me :)
bigbear, you sound like someone I know, we argue all the time about yellow or black. Of course I tend to side with the yellow.
X2 not much chance of anyone taking my dog unless I'm down and outQuote:
Originally Posted by Frosty
Forget writing for OOD, you should start writing country songs!!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie
Sounds like something out of "Yella Acorns":
Took all I had except the farm
Took my truck my gun, took my cold beer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbq5uFkfvNw
Your losing it . Off to the psych ward you go if you think they will seize a dog . LOL The perps underwear was there and involved too . Are they going to seize that too . ? This is not a murder were talking about .Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo stick
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LOL . Of course you side with yellows but I am older and wiser . LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by sabmgb
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Originally Posted by mojo stick
My wife packs my 'hunting' lunch...will they take her too :) ...do I have to take her back after ? ..LOL..Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
ROTFLMAO . Well Mike if your found guilty the courts could confiscate her permanently and then sell her at a public auction .;) I know she has a good job but can she cook ? ;) I may wish to bid . ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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