Blackhorn 209 question .......

The search function failed to reveal the info I am looking for - hence some questions ......

Has anyone here successfully used the following .50 bullets with Blackhorn 209 powder?
- Powerbelt Aerolite
- Hornady FPB
- TC Shockwave Super Glide

If so, which primer type worked well? What bullets weights? What grains of powder (in terms of volumetric measure) worked well?

I understand that results vary from ML to ML ...... nevetheless, appreciate any/all feedback. In my particular case, I intend to experiment with the bullet types (250 and some 300gr) mentioned above. I plan to use CCI and Win primers. The rifle is a TC Triumph.

Thanks,

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Originally Posted by sharps4570

The search function failed to reveal the info I am looking for - hence some questions ......

Has anyone here successfully used the following .50 bullets with Blackhorn 209 powder?
- Powerbelt Aerolite
- Hornady FPB
- TC Shockwave Super Glide

If so, which primer type worked well? What bullets weights? What grains of powder (in terms of volumetric measure) worked well?

I understand that results vary from ML to ML ...... nevetheless, appreciate any/all feedback. In my particular case, I intend to experiment with the bullet types (250 and some 300gr) mentioned above. I plan to use CCI and Win primers. The rifle is a TC Triumph.

Thanks,

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Shotgun primers winchester 209 . Sent me a pm and can bring my ml to the club and we can play with our smoke poles. I used 70 by volume metric. There is a new ml bullet that is available from federal. I have some barnes, hornady sabots we could play with. Not crazy about power belts. http://www.cabelas.ca/product/69934/...ets-50-caliber. These sabots are new and look like a very good product.

Sure, will contact you later during this week and see if next weekend may be mutually convenient. The Federal bullet looks interesting. The last time I took out my ML was couple years ago and never really got around to determining the appropriate powder/bullet combo. Anyway, I'm keen on bringing that out of dormancy and set it up properly this time.

Asking out of curiosity, did 70 per volumetric measure deliver enough pressure? As per Blackhorn load data, 100 volume measure equates to 70 grains of 209 (weighed by scale).

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Originally Posted by sharps4570

Sure, will contact you later during this week and see if next weekend may be mutually convenient. The Federal bullet looks interesting. The last time I took out my ML was couple years ago and never really got around to determining the appropriate powder/bullet combo. Anyway, I'm keen on bringing that out of dormancy and set it up properly this time.

Asking out of curiosity, did 70 per volumetric measure deliver enough pressure? As per Blackhorn load data, 100 volume measure equates to 70 grains of 209 (weighed by scale).

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Just tried 70 grains by weight which equals 100 volume. A light load but can pull out the blackhorn 209 scales and bump it up. I have never played around with the gun so just tried the light loads. I prefer using my shotgun but always worth playing around with it. http://www.blackhorn209.com/wp-conte...loaderdata.pdf

I have successfully used TC Shockwaves in both 250 and 300 grain with BH209. I don't shoot any other powder. Western Powders does not recommend Winchester primers as they are the dirtiest and my flash hole was impossible to clean with a tip cleaner and had to use a .028'' drill bit to bring it back to size. On my Kodiak, I drilled the flash hole to .035'' from the recommendations of the powder rep. They also recommend Federal 209 primers or CCI and told me to stay away from Winchester primers and do not use muzzle loader primers as they are not hot enough. I settled on Hornady 250 gr. SST's for deer. Was using 80 gr./vol. BH209 in my Kodiak. Got an Accura this year and it likes 100gr.+ with the 250 SST's and can keep them in a 4'' group at 200 yds. and under 1'' at 100 yds. Called in and shot 3 bucks this week for our group. All shots less than 50 yds. Exit wounds the size of a twoonie. Did not have that with 80gr. All three lung shots and did not go more than 25 yds.

BH209 recommends only CCI and Federal shotshell primers ..... guess I will need to pick up a box of Federal and leave the Winchester product home.

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Originally Posted by sharps4570

BH209 recommends only CCI and Federal shotshell primers ..... guess I will need to pick up a box of Federal and leave the Winchester product home.

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May also have to do the same.

My TC Impact LOVES BH 209 in this recipe:

1. 90 grains of powder (vol. measurement)
2. CCI primers
3. TC Shockwaves 250 slugs with the BLACK sabot.

Impressive consistent accuracy with no misfires for 10-15 shots without cleaning.

Darn I just picked up a pack of Winchester primers. Have not had a chance to fire them yet.

I have been using my Winchester primers to foul my barrel for the first shot. Then I clean the plug with my Eezy-Breech tools, load up and start shooting. I have shot 10 to 12 rounds without cleaning. This year, I ran out of my 250 SST's with the red low drag sabots. There were none available locally so I tried a 50 box of 250 SST's and a 50 pack of the black sabots for XTP's. At the range I fired 3 shots which grouped 1'' high and 1'' left of center at 100 yds. I said good enough for the hunt and out of time to make changes. I shot my 3 bucks and a 100 yd. coyote with this. They were not much harder to push than the low drag down my dirty barrel. I would stay with them except for the higher cost.

My primer of choice for BH209 is Federal 209A.

I picked up a box of CCI a couple weeks ago and discovered later that it wasn't the 209M that I had originally asked for, and so far, I was unable to locate those anywhere in the GTA. Anyway, I recently picked up a box of Federal 209A that should work well.

Im shooting BH 209 90gr by volume, cheditte primers, and 260gr PR dead center bullets out of TC bone collector, with excellent results

Another question - BH209 recommends using oil based solvents for cleaning the bore - what do you folks use?

Hoppes.

I use Ed's Red. Mix it up for all my guns. Seems to work well on sabot deposits. Check out the recipe on line. Just have to google it. For copper deposits in my rifles, I use ammonia. Works well.

Today, I finally decided to take out the ML after a gap of couple years. My initial experience, when I had first obtained the rifle wasn't a positive one, and at the time, I didn't test anything else other than 777 pellets behind couple different bullet types.

Anyway, I freshly boresighted the rifle and shot the target at 50 yards. The first three shots (250gr Hornady SST-ML Low Drag) with 80gr BH209 (volumetric measure) wasn't impressive. Subsequently, I increased the charge to 100gr of powder and shot the next 3 shot group using the same bullets. Finally, I went up to 120gr of BH209 and sent five consecutive shots (3 Hornadys + 2 TCs in that order) down range. Only ran a couple dry patches after I shot the very first group. Used CCI 209 Magnum primers.

I used the Traditions' Composite Powder Measure Tube that I had picked up from Bass Pro. Noticed that there was a very slight difference when the same amount was poured into a TC powder measure. However, I don't think that would have mattered much.

The Hornadys were very easy to load without any cleaning, however, the TC Shockwave Super Glides required quite a bit of effort to seat. All shots were fired without any tweaks to scope setting post the boresight. Will attend to the fine tuning when I take it out for 100 yards. All in all quite a turnaround of results (for me) since my initial trial. We shall see what happens at 100 yards.

P.S. pbonura- sorry I couldn't inform you about my plans for the range trip as it was short notice for me.

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Originally Posted by G.S.

My TC Impact LOVES BH 209 in this recipe:

1. 90 grains of powder (vol. measurement)
2. CCI primers
3. TC Shockwaves 250 slugs with the BLACK sabot.

Impressive consistent accuracy with no misfires for 10-15 shots without cleaning.

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Exactly what I use and have experienced as well without any regrets.

Two consecutive years
Two shots
Two nice bucks

Picked up (from Cabelas) some BH209 plastic charge tubes to facilitate range work mostly as far as loose powder is concerned. It would save some time due to the ability to carry a bunch of pre-measured charges to the range. However, based on user feedbacks, the graduations marked on the tubes are not accurate. Therefore, the powder will need to be properly measured prior to pouring into a tube. Aside from that, the tubes are well constructed, strong with tight fitting caps.

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I picked up basically the same things off eBay in the summer. ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kentucky-Bil...-/291019285170 )

They work great, used them this fall for all my range shooting. Nice not having to take the powder and measure out to the range table.
You'll be happy with them !

Start with loads for similar bullets weights and go from there. http://www.blackhorn209.com/wp-conte...loaderdata.pdf

Last December, I had briefly experimented with BH209 powder shooting at 50 yards with good results (reference post #17).

Today, I had the opportunity to take that out to 100 yards. Found that the rifle performed best with 110gr of BH209 behind 250gr of both TC Shockwaves and Hornady SST ML. Surprisingly, accuracy was excellent despite no tweaks at all done to the optics since I had boresighted the ML last year. Think I will leave the scope setting as it is till such time I get to try out a different brand of sabot.

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As a side note, last year, I had replaced a Bushnell laser boresight with a Site-Lite SL-100 ..... it cost a bit, however, with this new device I have borsighted a few rifles (indoor at 25ft) and each was almost close to the bull at 100 yards. Very impressed with the product in view that the ML performed so well with just a boresighted scope.

http://sitelite-lasers.com/product_SL100.html

It appears your ML likes that load, the small difference in impact area between the two bullets can easily be tweaked out with the scope.

There is nothing wrong with the groupings (very nice actually), so other than the fun of shooting, why are you looking at a different sabot ?

You mention before that the Hornady loaded easy and the TC there a little stiffer ....the difference in performance between them is marginal. Try swapping the sabots that came with the bullets with each other and see what difference that makes.

You are right. The TC is very tight in my Triumph and I really struggled today with a strained right shoulder that has been giving me grief over the past few months. I suppose I could just stick with the Hornady and probably may not even need to tweak the scope any further.

On second thoughts, the TC Shockwaves shot really well.....there are five shots in that cluster....will require only a minor tweak to get to center.

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Originally Posted by sharps4570

Last December, I had briefly experimented with BH209 powder shooting at 50 yards with good results (reference post #17).

Today, I had the opportunity to take that out to 100 yards. Found that the rifle performed best with 110gr of BH209 behind 250gr of both TC Shockwaves and Hornady SST ML. Surprisingly, accuracy was excellent despite no tweaks at all done to the optics since I had boresighted the ML last year. Think I will leave the scope setting as it is till such time I get to try out a different brand of sabot.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2...psgwwewcfx.png

As a side note, last year, I had replaced a Bushnell laser boresight with a Site-Lite SL-100 ..... it cost a bit, however, with this new device I have borsighted a few rifles (indoor at 25ft) and each was almost close to the bull at 100 yards. Very impressed with the product in view that the ML performed so well with just a boresighted scope.

http://sitelite-lasers.com/product_SL100.html

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Nice shooting .....��

Tight is good to an extent. Maybe try some mmp hph-24 sabots, just a little more play with them.