Got a friend heading down for a boar hunt, what is required to cross border. I told him to call customs Canada.
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Got a friend heading down for a boar hunt, what is required to cross border. I told him to call customs Canada.
Call custom Canada about the returning trip home. They don't care if you take firearms out of Canada, but you need to call US custom about bringing firearms to the US. If you are going through NY state, find out if there are any state requirements.
You need tofill out a Form 6 and submit it to the US federal bureau of alcohol firearms andtobacco well in advance of your trip and wait for the return copy that you will provide to the US agent at the boarder. Include your USA hunting license as well.
I make 2 annual trips down, no problems.
Stop at Canada Customs on the way out and get a Y38 card for your non restricted firearm to show that it is Canadian goods returning when you come back. Also have your valid PAL with you on the return. Make sure you talk to US customs about their requirements.
Bandwagon is correct. You have to fill out the form with the firearm info and the ammunition you are bringing and you also need an American hunting license, I bought a WV small games license when I went. When the paper work returns, give that paperwork to the customs officer when you cross and again on the way back. I also called about the requirements for bringing the hog back and their were no special requirements. Deer etc is another story, we just gutted our hogs and brought them back whole.
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon
Speaking to US customs is not necessary, it is a mistake that many make. For importing questions you contact the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. You can print the "Form 6" off directly from there site.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300wsm
You can fax the Form 6 application to them, and a copy of a US hunting licence, but it will take weeks to get your Form.
http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/downl...-f-5330-3d.pdf
As stated complete the form and fax with a copy of a state licence. If you supply your e-mail address they did e-mail my application back. This process during the summer took about 4 weeks.
Dick
Ok, here is another question if I may? Skeeter, not trying hijack your thread, but I think this might fall into a similar situation?
A buddy of mine lives in Ohio and has invited me many times to come down for a deer hunt. It's shotgun only and since I don't have anything good enough to use, he has told me that he can let me use one of his. So I'm not entering the U.S. with a firearm or ammuntion, but I'll be carrying a borrowed one while there hunting. Where does this fall into the law? Anyone know?
I've been hunting Michigan a long time with blackpower,no paper work required either way. Brent
Well you're a helpful soul Brent. Black powder guns,aren't defined as firearms under ATF guidelines so what relevance does that have to the question of the op? Someone would be an idiot to ask for answers to questions like this on a forum board.
I suspect your answer can be found here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nat...-firearms.html
HA
You do not require a hunting licence anymore. Just the 6N.
So they changed that too ? I know now we don't need a Form 6 or a hunting licence when just passing through the states and back into Ontatio. Seems they are changing things for us Aliens !!! Lol. Now all they need to do is loosen the ITAR regulation..Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
Edit: Are you sure about that change Brent ? I just checked. It would appear a hunting licence is still required with the Form 6
Bringing a firearm or ammunition to the U.S. for hunting/sport purposes
What is required to bring a firearm to the U.S. for hunting purposes?
Effective February 19, 2002, ATF requires nonimmigrant visitors entering the U.S. with firearms or ammunition to obtain a federal permit through ATF in advance of their arrival. U.S. law also forbids certain nonimmigrant visitors, workers and students from buying guns and ammunition in the U.S. Diplomats, foreign law enforcement officials and visiting dignitaries designated by the U.S. Department of State are not exempt from this requirement when bringing a gun for hunting purposes.
You will need to obtain and complete ATF Form 6NIA (5330.3D Application/Permit for Temporary Importation of Firearms and Ammunition by Nonimmigrant Aliens) to apply for the ATF permit. You will also be required to obtain a license from any state in the U.S. where you intend to hunt. Please note that you may fax the ATF Form 6 NIA-5330.3D application to (304) 616-4554 for expedited processing.
You may contact ATF's Firearms and Explosives Import office by email at [email protected] if you have additional questions. For more information about nonimmigrant visitors who wish to import firearms, please see ATF's Frequently Asked Questions.
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Where is the border between Ontario and Pa? :rolleyes: We used to have this problem when we crossed with handguns, New York State didn't want us, but Pa was fine....
Do you plan on contributing usefully to any thread or will you just continue to troll? Take your negativity elsewhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Gern1980
Brent is correct, the boarder agent confirmed this for me in October on my way to SK.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Were you hunting in the States, or just driving through and back into Canada ? If you were just passing through the States, then no, a hunting licence is not required. If you are taking a gun into the States to hunt, the info from ATF I posted, says we still need a US hunting licence from any State, along with your Form 6. These are two different scenarios .Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
I do both, on my fall trip I am passing through and am not required to show my licence. During my spring snow hunt I am required to provide my state licence at the boarder. The form 6 is good for 12 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
So, from what you have said, when passing through the States, no licence required. When actually hunting in the States, you have to show a hunting licence as well as Form 6 ??? I hunt a couple times a year in NW Ontario. I no longer need s hunting licence to pass through the States, nor do I need a Form 6.....The OP was regarding hunting in the States. Brent posted that a licence was no longer needed. Everything points to the fact that a licence IS needed to hunt in the States.....your experience posted bears that out !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
After retiring from the rat-race my wife and I transitioned into SNOWBIRDS . For 10 years in a row we travelled (by RV) through the temperate parts of the States . Always from Oct. to the end of March . --- In order to take my long-arms with me I was required to apply to ATF and send them a copy of a (then) current hunting-licence . Regardless of where I was going to hunt (and then buy the appropriate licence) they were satisfied as long as I showed them 1 licence . --- Soooo , it was prudent to hop onto the bike and scoot into Watertown/NY and acquire the cheapest hunting-licence . I had no intention to hunt in NY but this enabled me to bring my guns in . --- Generally I purchased licences in Florida and Texas ; whenever I felt like hunting . --- Before leaving Canada I recorded the pea-shooters at can. Customs . --- The whole undertaking was a bit time-consuming but never caused any problems .
As mentioned you need "some" state's hunting license to apply for the form 6 with the ATF for the temporary import of long guns.
Not sure if it is still true but just after the form 6 was required (post 911) North Dakota (?) even had a generic hunting licence .... Was not good for any game, but it was good for getting that form 6 piece of paper! It was $10 or $15 ... Cheaper than a true licence! Someone in that state was thinking as they made a lot of $$$$ from Canadians simply applying to the ATF! :-)
For clarification, a hunting license is no longer required to receive a form 6 as it was before. There are 2 of us currently in the US that received permits without the hunting licence. I would however suggest you purchase one for additional possession of ammunition beyond what you declared on the form 6.
Dakota Creek's suggestion is accurate....cheapest way to go.
All you would need is a non-resident license and you can hunt - that's one way to avoid the forms - have a buddy lend you a gun when you get here to hunt - I live in Pa. and if I wanted to hunt in another state I would also need the same non-resident license -Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
so with scopes being a problem to bring back to Canada .could a guy not buy a new scope well done there with your hunting gun and put it on your rifle before coming back across the boarder .I am just wondering how much you could really save on say a luppy vxr shotgun scope.if you put it on your gun before you head home .would thy ding you at the boarder .even if you told them your scope broke and you needed a replacement ,just wondering ,Dutch
Dutchhunter .... Not aware of item specific limitations but depending upon the length of your stay you are allowed to bring the following home under personal exemptions - 24 hours is $200 CDN, 48 hours is $800 CDN, 7 days is $800 CDN
It has to do with US export laws, even range finders marketed for golfers are illegal for export unless you have a permit. This is all part of the Homeland Security laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
You DO NOT 'need' to acquire a U.S hunting license to bring a long gun to the U.S. I go there for friendly sporting clays shoots every year. Only ATF form required. Last year Canada customs did check our guns on the way back in, to make sure the serial numbers matched what was on the ATF forms.
D.
That's probably true because you're competing in registered shooting-events . --- Joe Blow generally needs a proper reason (in their view) to cross the border with a gun . Alas , --- a hunting-licence .Quote:
Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.
May have changed, but originally to get the ATF it was a hunting license OR an invitation from a shooting club event.
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Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.
You are correct as I have mentioned previously. It's interesting they checked your forms. I have presented them in previous trips and they were not even sure what they were.
One has to wonder with them checking a form that they have no authorization over. I believe producing your PAL is legally all that is required......but we all know what Customs can be like!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As Krakadawn is saying, no hunting licence is required. Fill out the form and fax it in. No ID is even required, just your PAL #.
They are emailing it back now.
I just got mine back in less than 10 business days.
Just a tip.
When border crossing be sure to present the form 6 to the 'Primary' or first Custom official. In our recent trip south one of the travellers didn't get a chance to say 'form 6' because customs got carried away with his chassis mount and sent him over. When they began to address what they believed were other issues they flipped a gasket when he told them he had a shotgun in the back seat. They told him he would have been hand cuffed etc..... They also took 40 lbs of open dog food, I think they were just being pissy with him for no reason I could see.
This was at the Sarnia/Port Huron crossing.
Have it in your hand and push it at them.
Also keep in mind if you are crossing into NY to go to PA, NY has some very strict gun laws and they seem a little more concerned than the agents in MI.
I just returned from Arizona hunt trip, u have to have a hunting license and the 6 form filed out, coming back to Canada u need to show the PAL, and declare the birds, takes 4 to 5 weeks for documents from Washington.
Did you do it by mail? 4 to 5 weeks seems like a long time. I sent my Form 6 application in on January 6, 2015 by fax. They emailed me the approval in pdf format 2 days later on January 8, 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by branthunter
Mine came from Virginia I think and it was less than 2 weeks. And I called ATF 3 different times to confirm a hunting licence is not needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by branthunter
The ATF form can take a good 4-5 weeks depending on the time of year. I was checked for serial number matching the ATF form once coming back into Canada. This was when the Boston marathon bombings took place so I guess the borders were on high alert? Anyway a quick check by them and we were on our way. Normally the Canadian side would just ask for your PAL.
What you have to remember,not all boarder guards know the rules about guns. primary gave me a big time about no ATF. I argued for a while then told them to send me to secondary. Not one of the guards knew that b/ p was exempted. They had to call an off duty supervisor.
They would have been checking for illegal importing.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkM
Nothing is required at all now if you are just passing thru the states on your way to Canada......ie..ontario to alberta thru the states.
Fill out a form ( i forget what its called) when you enter the states and thats it...