Hi I'm having trouble hunting coyote in this area can't seem to get them in the open I'm using a rabbit decoy and a primos dogg catcher for reference the small field is 220yrd x 100 yrd http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...8aa2cab789.jpg
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Hi I'm having trouble hunting coyote in this area can't seem to get them in the open I'm using a rabbit decoy and a primos dogg catcher for reference the small field is 220yrd x 100 yrd http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...8aa2cab789.jpg
Hard to hunt a property that small with roads on all sides. That bottom field has very limited options. Getting into the trees in the centre and shooting toward the bush is about the only choice (for that field). Maybe to the left side of the pic depending on what is there and if you have permission.
That small field is about your best choice, shooting postion dependent on the wind direction.
Properties like that are only good with very select wind directions. You don't want the wind blowing towards the bush or they will wind you without you seeing them.
You don't want the wind blowing directly away from it (I never have luck) I don't think coyotes will venture out in the open when they have to go that far to get downwind.
A nice cross wind where you can set up on the corner of that small field and have the caller and decoy about 50 yards away near the end of the bush so the coyote would have to still expose himself to wind it, But not have to get too far from the bush.
Make it tempting for them, Not difficult or too easy, They will always come from where you don't expect it.
How many times have you called that spot, maybe they have caught on to your tune.....
Hard to say what you should do. For me I would sneak in that bush a 100 yards or so with a favorable wind and call softly. Leave the rifle at home and take a 12 with #4 buck , if nothing happens after 30 minutes sneak in another 50 yRds or so and squeak quietly for a bit longer. Seems the dogs you are plYing with (assuming they are there) dont want to come out in the open so sneak (with the rite wind) in to where they feel comfortable.
I have only had the caller out their 2 or 3 times so far I know the yotes are there lots of tracks I do have pics on my trail cam but all from night
I am no expert but like song dog stated I would sit in the corner you have illustrated and that wind should work...but more of a crosswind may work better where it is blowing from left to right of that small field or rt to left......as I have founf out the hard way they generally only come out when they can get to thedownwind side.....they like to have everything in their favor.
aaron, I am certainly not as succesful as frati and others. As such, I will not comment on their contributions since everything they are saying should lead to success.
I can share with you some of my thoughts. I normally like to use Google Earth or the mapping tools provided in this link http://www.giscoeapp.lrc.gov.on.ca/w...er/viewer.html
to get a good idea of the distances involved to ensure I am not trying to set up for a shot that is going to be beyond my ability to make. They also provide tools to measure paths so you can plan the amount of time your ingress will take. For example I know that with the sled behind me on snowshoes it takes me about 25 minutes to trek about 900-1000 yds depending on other terrain. And finally I can use the aviation weather from the closest airport to ensure that I have a good idea of the current and predicted winds. Since I live in Russell I find that using the aviation weather (which tends to be more detailed and accurate) from Ottawa International is a good source.
This is todays weather from Toronto. So reading below you will see 19006KT = winds from 190 deg magnetic at 6 kts. You might also see something like 19018G30KT which would be 190 deg magnetic winds steady at 18 knots gusting to 30 knots. To convert kph to knots is 1.9xkts = kph. There are plenty of resources online to help you decipher the other data related to cloud types, heights and precip. Either that or PM skypilot :)
TORONTO/LESTER B. PEARSON INTL/ON
METAR CYYZ 291800Z 19006KT 140V220 1/2SM R24L/3500VP6000FT/D
Not that it makes much difference but metar wind directions are true, not magnetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
Wikipedia has a good reference page on metar.
All good advice and certainly from some excellent and successful coyote hunters.
My 2 cents for your consideration and for others that are wanting to try it.
On the weather/wind...I like to use several sources, NavCanada(aviation web for pilots is super) also local stations and nearest METAR data along with an old fashion plastic squeeze bottle with unscented talc/baby powder for "at the scene" wind direction.
I like to scout and see the used trails, activity levels, etc, etc, in order to pinpoint WHERE they are. I then put a dot on the map showing their location. I then draw a wind direction line thru their location. I then try to pick a good spot to locate myself without getting directly in their APPROACH wind as they come to the e-caller/decoy.
Once they are located try this 1 simple method.. X yotes,
.................................................. ...................l \
.................................................. ...................l..\
.................................................. ...................l...\ e-caller
.................................................. ...................l....\ ^
.................................................. ...................l. ...\ l *You
.................................................. ..................V......\l *You
.................................................. .................Wind ....*You
Some folk are visual others are more text oriented, however perhaps get a map, mark x where the yotes are(per scouting), draw the wind direction thru their location, then visually determine where you can set up to shoot when they circle downwind of wherever you choose to place your e caller. You can almost take that drawing above and align it on a map(with the known yotes location and wind) AND then see if there are any issues(like attempting to call them across a flat, sterile, open field, the Queensway Expressway, a river, etc.).
Conversely, look for good cover to hide yourself, natural gullies, snowmobile trails, cow paths, holes in fencing, etc. that will allow them to be comfortable approaching the e-caller/decoy, then plan your set up accordingly.
After that pick your plan apart using things like the sun(are you in sun or shade the WHOLE time? Shade good/sun bad. Don't wear eye glasses they reflect. Put a kill flash on your scopes objective lens(same reason as eyeglasses) and be still, approach silently, be familiar with ALL your gear(Remote, decoy so no fumbling required, set your scope magnification before walking in, just be ready with no real movement once you settle in.)
They are the hardest thing to fool with a GOOD set up and it's why I hunt them almost exclusively. They are also about 88-90% successful against me and my best planning.
Some days nothing seems to work, other days it seems you can get away with anything.....almost like Golf. lol
Thanks Werner... not sure where my head was... I think I drifted off into the land of windsocks and runway headings. There have been changes to the format for METARS and I didn't bother to keep up ... I just let the pilots worry about those thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Don't want to hijack his thread. But I have a similar question..how would you hunt this..
The arrow represents the common wind direction here.. the circle is the general area where the trail cam was set that caught the pics. Can't hunt in the larger Bush.
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1. With the prevailing wind sit in area #1 and place a decoy by the little yellow/red star.....
2. On the days the wind changes and is in your favour (not blowing to the bush) use #2 area (you need a tree or fence post to break up your outline hard to tell from the pic) and place a decoy by the black/red star....
Try and setup about 120-150 yds away from the bush..... keeping your eyes on the bush line (yellow line) as most likely the coyote will be coming from there.....
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Hmm I'll try that.. there's an old van in the one corner.. right by #1.. could sit in there.. there is a ditch Running parallel to the big ditch.. drop enough to hide you in..Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
Only issue with sitting by the 1 is shooting direction.. there are homes in that direction... all though a ways off... I'll try for a bigger pic of the entire area..
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Loving this thread, again however - not to hi-jack, but instead of creating congestion on the forums - we've been wanting to coyote/wolf hunt our hunting camp for quite some time. We've seem them both there plenty of times during the fall, and the tracks are PLENTY during the winter months. We just can't seem to get a bead on them.
We have decoys, and callers, and our closest neighbour is about 3/4km to the west of our camp (western side, across the road boundary on the map below). The property line is marked in red, the location of our cabin is the small blue dot overlooking the lake.
Our thoughts have been to place a decoy/caller on the frozen lake and hunt them from the camp area this time of year.
Thoughts on this, and other possible locations? I can provide more detailed maps, or a Google Maps link to the area so you can zoom in as needed as well.
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This thread was such a great idea - posting maps and getting advise.
Perhaps consider this, If I'm reading your photo correctly...
Man dog the 75-100 acres West of you or set up and call with the two visible openings downwind of the e caller. West Wind(from the West) looks like your best wind overall for your land followed by North (considering the most likely winds)and would also allow some calling along the Northern lake shoreline.
I'd also consider the bottom area East of you early(I'd stay off the ridges). After sun is well up in the sky I would then try the ridges.
Topher, With that property I would set up in any dips in the land that can't be seen from a road. Coyotes will know this as well and like to travel these areas. If there isn't a spot like this I would set up right in the bush or only call the spot at very last light and very first light....
I have a 50acre property that is visible from two roads.....Only a couple spots on the property that can't be seen from the road. Both times i have called a coyote there, My first sighting of them was in that dip. They probably use it all the time to cross fields and not be seen.
I never have luck with roads close by, See them cross roads all the time, But coming to the call is a different story.
Topher, just to add to Songdog's suggestions, I know that coyotes like to run in ravines and ditches from the tracks I see routinely in the farms I have been hunting. Last season I had one run by me in the gully about 100 yds out as I was turkey hunting.
normally I have been seeing up in a ditch that runs eat to west parallel to the big first... there some long weeds and some dog wood that I sit in there.. But no luck... cities do you use this ditch as a path as well...
I think Frank nailed it. Just to add, with the proximity of the houses I may be tempted to bring the 12 with a full choke and some # 4 buck. The map may be decieving in regards to the size of the property but from what I see I would be hesitant to let a centerfire rip there .
I think it was Chris that posted a while back a little tidbit about baiting, by drilling holes in the end of a bay and filling them with meat. No water. It had to be close enough to the bush so the yotes felt comfortable. That would be perfect for your setup there jweese, with that bay above your camp. Great for most winds. Some thing different to try anyway, and maybe even use it in conjunction with a caller once you know the dogs have found it. If your camp is located on the shore you could maybe set up a shooting rail off the porch lol. Good luck with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jweese
Cheers
Even better, our camp overlooks the whole lake from a rock face about 30 feet above the lake. I think we'll try the hole method for sure.