When snaring animals in northwestern ontario which animals are allowed to be snared without a trappers license?
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When snaring animals in northwestern ontario which animals are allowed to be snared without a trappers license?
Rabbits
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From page 26 of the regs.
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Snares
Snares cannot be used for hunting, except by the holder of a
resident small game licence taking varying hares north of the
French and Mattawa rivers with a snare constructed of copper
or brass wire between 22 and 24 gauge. The opening of the
snare wire loop must be 10 cm (4 in.) or less in diameter.
Licensed trappers may use snares under conditions specified in
the trapping regulations.
I know little about trapping but am always amazed at how many regulations there are. Almost requires a PHd in trapping regulations.
Are the small snare spools at Canadian Tire fine? I don't mean size - I can figure that out -, but quality-wise.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the Hare Snare wire from CTC, all I've used since I was a kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooboy76
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Thanks! Good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie
I have not been having luck timing my stomps with the hare's travels. There are a few good spots for snares though.
I know what I'm picking up this weekend. ;-)
So, how many times per day to check them? Is there a best time of day?
I've got 7 out right now. No luck so far.
I check them once per day, but that is weather dependant. Usually, constantly cold here, so they stay frozen and I'll grab em once a day. If it's mild warm/rainy etc, where you are, then you may want to check twice a day.
Best time of day for checking? not really, they do most of their running at night when the temps drop, so I usually check in the morning. The best time to really set them out is if you see some really cold temps coming. Also a good time to setup is right after those cold temps, when their "highways" get established.
Also, be sure you are "funneling" them into your set, use sticks, etc, to drive them through the hole your snare is in.
Good luck!
Check the size, the MNRF specifies wire gauge, some CT stores have been found with improper snare wire in the racks in the hunting section. There is also a requirement for loop size for rabbits, I don't know off the top of my head what it is as I only tried snaring once when visiting family up north and I live in an area I cannot snare :(.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooboy76
Good luck, nothing like rabbit meat :)
All mentioned in post #4Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I use a 3" loop, set about 3" above the ground. Same set as in pic by TR, but I also add a little chin stick (use dead wood) about 2" before the snare on either side. Some areas I snared in were bad for 'robbers". if you only checked once per day, a coyote, fox, or fisher would get your hare. Flying squirrels can be problems too, and other snowshoe hare like to dine on their dead buddies.
Maybe the geography / predator population, differences, but I've never had a rabbit go missing or get eaten...touch wood :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenelon
I have had thefts too but got wise to that quick by putting a real snare higher and back from the rabbit snare .;)
I miss snaring..and cannot do in Ottawa Area. I dont get this reg... A product of the 80's and pet advocates...
I have still never really understood why there is a ban. However that said, you would be very surprised the number of people I have stopped and talked to who didn't know you can't snare South of the Mattawa and french Rivers.
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Originally Posted by line052
I think it has to do with family pets, there are a lot more people and a lot higher chances of a cat or dog getting into a snare.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
TR: Just pointing out that we cannot assume that CT is selling legit stuff as snare wire.
I remember this coming up a few years back, the brass wire they had in store would not meet the regulations.
Current spools up here, labelled Hare Snare, are 22ga brass.
I think I've got them set a bit too high.
We are currently getting 5cm+ of snow, so I might not have to adjust them after all!
How long would you recommend making each wire?
I didn't feel like doing a measure and cut, so I just looped around a banister and cut in half, repeated twice, so I guess 2.5 ft each for eight snares.
Your right, this rule was born out of 80's if I remember correctly. Pet owners was the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
That rule still doesn't make since why would it cover all South of the Rivers??
That is the line that they use to separate Northern and Southern Ontario, it is used for waterfowl as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Makes no sense though as I believe that the Ontario government does not recognize anything north of Barrie as anything but natural resources.
One of my seven was visited that I can tell. Whatever it was escaped though. I reset them all to proper height and size, plus added more funnelling sticks.
Once, when trying to sign up for a product with PC Financial (after they closed our pavilion), I was asked if I could just drive to either Winnepeg or Sault Ste. Marie to get a signature :-/ . I chose 'no'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I have a few personal reasons to be against snaring. I've had to remove illegally set snares from my Beagles. However I can understand cultural and heritage reasons for doing it especially for First Nations , Newfoundlanders and many other Canadians that grew up in a very rural setting. I've snared lots of hare myself.
The problem I see is that its to cheap and easy to do and this easily sets the practice up for abuse. Snares are cheap enough to left behind or carelessly lost and not worry about them.
I'm still open to the Idea if it could be controlled, for example .. at the beginning of the season you went to the ministry purchased your serialized snares for a fee, say ten dollars each. Then at the end of the season you would take them all back. This way none are lost or left behind and you would be responsible for any mishaps
Truthfully, I would prefer to hunt my hare with my .22, but lack of time for hunting and a need for some extra meat is my reality. I actually had not considered snaring on crown land; I am just on my own property ~23 acres. I could see how someone could abuse the situation on public land, but I have never actually encountered an errant trap or snare while stomping through the bush up here, so I don't know how prevalent it actually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by swampsinger
So in a world of increasing cash grabs you would like to see another?Quote:
Originally Posted by swampsinger
If the neighborhood girls cat is in the middle of the woods it should be fair game. If you let your pets wander the wild at will to wreck whatever havoc they may there's a greater issue at hand.
Sort of related to discussion. I found an interesting article from 2003 regarding hare snares and marten by-catch. .22ga brass or 6 strand picture wire (low carbon) were the best choices to kill >75% of snared showshoe hare and release >=90% of marten snared (important for Newfoundland due to endangered marten populations).Quote:
Originally Posted by mooboy76
http://members.shaw.ca/grizzlyjake/Marten2004.pdf
The times in the snares are much longer than I would have thought, but the researchers observed no ill effects from the snare on the marten. Similarly, the times for hares in snares were much longer than I had figured in another study from 1994 addressing a similar issue. EDIT** They were using 20 gauge steel wire, so that could affect results.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3783090
I can try to link to a pdf if anyone wants. Somehow I was able to download two copies of it, but now it wants a subscription.
How would you keep it reasonable, easily for areas like Thunder Bay or even Barry's Bay. I'm sure you see the potential problems for areas like the green belt of Ottawa, Nonquon, Fingal and Hullet loaded with snares.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
Since I hunt mostly on crown land, pets would not be an issue to me.
More Fees....I like that idea if you pay for mine, that would be real nice of you.
Just drive up north where its legalQuote:
Originally Posted by line052
300km drive to possibly snare a few bunnies?Quote:
Originally Posted by swampsinger
Can u pay my gas to?? ;)
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Originally Posted by swampsinger
Some rules are meant to be broken.....
So punish everyone in Ontario just to ensure an Ottawa cat returns home after killing it's share of wild birds, frogs, rabbits, etc. That's what bylaws are for. Let the populated areas sort their own crap out and leave the people who would choose to snare or hunt in a rural setting alone!Quote:
Originally Posted by swampsinger
What I don't get is if snaring is legal in some parts of Ontario, why can you not use a live release trap in other areas? Sort of like that idea or restraint snare for coyotes in southern Ontario, it will not kill the animal but rather hold it.
You just need to check things more often.
Ok, I get it you hate cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
I'm not trying to punish or penalize any one. I brought a feasible plan to the discussion that could legalize snaring rabbits and hare south the French and Mattawa rivers. There are a lot of regulations that differ between the north and south. It seems like the majority in this discussion aren't willing to compromise in any fashion.
Why argue with us here on this forum, bring it up with the "powers that be" ie; MNRF, they are the people that set out all the rules and regulations .Quote:
Originally Posted by swampsinger
Back on track, mooboy76, how did you make out? As per one of your questions "how long to make the wire" that's dependant on each set. I just bring a multi tool with me and cut each one to fit, sometimes the tree to tie off of, is closer to the actual run then another, so hard to account for that ahead of time.
I miss making my runways and blocking sticks to funnel them into snare. As a kid in NS, we had to snare for meat and check every morning in the winter. Excess rabbits were hung on a cross armed fence at end of driveway with coffee can. .25c each. There were never any rabbits when I got home from school and the coffee can always had the exact amount of money for rabbits hung out... Good luck I envy you...
Snaring was what I learn first before I had a gun. My Mom taught me how to skin them.
My parents had a saying when they use to get us kids ready for bath time as they pulled our shirts off over the head "Time to skin the rabbit." :)
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Originally Posted by line052
Dad did the same to me and does to my boys "skin a rabbit" as he yanks the shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Just the one so far! I am tired of resetting the height to chase the sinking snow level though. I did have something walk off with one of my snares.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie
I have to re-evaluate their movement patterns; they have changed since the warm weather and greenery has arrived.
Thanks for the help!
Now that I find interesting. I only ever used existing runs once the snow got deep enough. And I always tried to leave them alone as much as I could. I kinda get the idea of creating runs that they would follow naturally in deep snow, but I've never heard of it before. Care to expand on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Cheers
Same here, never hear of making my own trails. I placed them on their trails because bunnies usually follow their same path all day when possible.
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Originally Posted by smitty55