In the Nov/Dec 2014 issue of OOD there was an article on Feral hogs in WMU 65. Anyone seen or hunted them?
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In the Nov/Dec 2014 issue of OOD there was an article on Feral hogs in WMU 65. Anyone seen or hunted them?
I cant remember what the MNR has said. But there has not been much talk around here. I am guessing and others have said the same is they were escapes. I had hear that some had been seen between Marionville and Embrun in different farm fields as well the MNR reported sightings in Larrose forest, but since then there hasn't been any mentions. I think if there was any new info it would be mentioned on this forum first.
You think they would survive our winter we had? You usually hear about them in the southern states.... Where they don't have to deal with 3' of snow and -25C temperatures..... Just seems incredible....
Feral hogs are found throughout Europe, where they have to deal with snow ... I don't think winter'll stop them.
I'm sure you are right. If they can survive in sweden or russia they will survive canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
I'd like to see even one. Brought out the BBQ from hibernation and some bacon would be just right for May 24!
I was sure there are no hogs in Sweden, but looks like there's some hunting, must be in the south. Sweden is not as cold as some think (Gulfstream).
Russia is a big place north to south, look at the map ;)
I am not sure what the critical amount of snow for them, but there are certainly areas of ON they would be happy to call home.
They've been living and breeding for years in Manitoba and Northern Ontario..the cold winter doesn't bother them.
read more: http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/wi..._at_large.htmlQuote:
Wild Boar-at-Large in Manitoba
In the early 1980's, wild boar were introduced to Manitoba as an agriculture diversification initiative. A number of animals have since escaped from holding facilities on some of the farms. Intelligent, hardy and adaptable, they have been able to quickly acclimate to harsh conditions, a variety of habitats and the presence of man. Escaped wild boar have been reported throughout southern Manitoba. Contact the Manitoba Conservation and Stewardship district office for current information on wild boar in that area.
Escaped wild boar not only impact on private property, but also seriously damage native floral and faunal wildlife species through their feeding habits, aggressive behaviour and phenomenal reproductive capability.
Oh I never said they could survive the cold but they might have been shot or something. I'm pretty sure I know where the Embrun location is but other then that one sighting a few years ago there has been no talk since.
At the same time that the MNR release the notice to hunters about feral hogs there was a news article in Saskatchewan that has a real problem. Interestingly enough, here is the article that is still available from last March.
So I do believe this answers the question wrt whether or not they can survive a winter in Ontario.
I have been coyote hunting east and south of Ottawa all winter. I have not yet seen any signs of them, nor have I heard any reports.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskat...says-1.2657050
Here is an article from Sept. Are there anymor,e time will tell.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...astern-ontario
Eastern Ontario had a scare in 2008 when 16 boars broke out of a farm near Embrun — spurring a $1,000 fine for the farmer for failing to notify game officials of the escape — but all were killed by cars, predators or hunters.
So far,most Hogs seen in southern Ontario are domestic farm escapees. Technically,there's no open hunting seasons for them. They can range dozens of miles from their farms. They're voracious eaters of anything and everything,but,typically of domestic hogs,their health is usually quickly compromised by viruses picked up and they die off quickly. Ask any hog farmer how difficult they are to keep healthy in a farm environment. It's quickly seen just how easy it is for them to get sick and die. Wolves and coyotes make short work of them. Even though hogs are exceedingly vicious,they're no match for Coyote or Brush Wolf packs.
According to OMNRF,they shouldn't be confused with Wild Boars that are currently inundating all of the eastern continental US from Florida to western New York causing unbelieveable damage as herds migrate. These are a different breed which are prolific and very dangerous,attacking and killing both domestic and wild animals,destroying farm pastures by the hundreds of acres at a time.
So far,none have been seen in Ontario. They're strong swimmers,but,not for long distances which,more or less,keeps them from migrating across The Great Lakes and The St.Lawrence River to this side,but,like anything else,it's just a matter of time. Pennsylvania to the Carolinas and even to Texas have some hunting outfitter organizations that are making a very good business with Wild Boar hunters. Because Wild Boars eat mostly the same thing as domestics,the meat is delicious,especially if done in a smoker. I know because I've had some at my BIL's. I'm not sure if we're allowed to bring meat back into Canada. You Tube has lot's of videos if anyone cares to check them out.
If there are hogs in wmu 65 its a well kept secret.
Based on how well the 2008 escapees did, I don't think you could get a wild hog herd going here if you tried.
Thanks for the info. Have a good turkey (if you go out) season.
I'd love to hunt organic free-range piggies in my backyard!!! Just salavating at the thought of jerked pork loins, home smoked bacon, and ribs!!!
Are you a farmer or a land owner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie Hastings
Any farmer or land owner that knows anything about what these pigs do in the US does not want them in their backyard.
They will destroy everything they can get at, the nature of their feet will destroy the land.
ODD Mag had an issue this fall that said you could hunt feral hogs in Ontario (MNR) and that sightings in WMU 65 are reported. I have a buddy in Cardinal who has been asking family, parents and farm community right through to Cornwall if anyone has seen them. I was hunting with the formal President of Osgoode Fish and Game club this weekend in Merrickville and no news heard yet in WMU 65. Here is a link to latest story I can find. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...astern-ontario
i found this link about the hogs
http://wildboarcanada.ca/#sthash.87F2qe3H.dpbs
I take it you are not the humorous type?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
It is tough to read sarcasm through text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie Hastings
I really hope you were joking.
If we want to hunt hogs it is not that far of a drive into the states now to get to them. It would really suck if they showed up here and started to do what they are doing in the states.
I shot one in December near port perry!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...0e4adb48da4ec2
just joking :P
Interesting update. Met a new hunter yesterday. He sent me pics of a feral hog taken this past summer in Plantagenet (35 miles east of Ottawa).
He sent me this pic this morning (thanks Riley!)
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Appears to have been lactating .
One shot may have killled 8+, if they were still young.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
There has been unconfirmed (by me) but someone mentioned that he spotted 2 wild boars running through his property on April 10th, 2015 at Warden/Vandorf Sideroad (Whitchurch-Stouffville, ON) area. Next day he said he spotted them again on someone's property just south of Vandorf Sideroad; I went there to visit the property owner and had a nice chat with him. Mentioned to him that someone spotted 3 wild boars on his property on his tree line next to corn field, the owner manages a horse farm (lots of horse farm in the area too)
Anyways; I might need a seasoned hunter to assist me in tracking and hunting them; lots of areas do not allow firearm discharge but bow or crossbow with landowner permissions. The area of Whitch-Stoufville is roughly 66% firearm discharge prohibited
firearm reference; https://whitchurch.civicweb.net/Docu....aspx?ID=52791
this concerns me, because if the guy did spot 5 boars in 2 days. that means they are already here in York Region.
I've been going to one the York Regional Forests close to Town of Georgina; not 100% sure but i might have found a boar path and uprooted areas, i need to go back there again to confirm it.
send me a pm if you are within the York Region area and can help me track them.
Here is the reply I got from the ministry about feral pigs
Hello:
Thank you for your inquiry and we apologize for the delay in responding to your email.
Wild boars are not native to North America; however, they are farm-raised for their meat and can escape captivity. Escaped wild boars have high reproductive capacity and are able to survive northern winter conditions, so their numbers can increase quite rapidly. Wild boars pose a challenge in some North American jurisdictions.
In Ontario the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act requires owners to report escaped wild boar to the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry (MNRF). We also ask members of the public to contact their local MNRF district office and report free ranging wild boar sightings.
If owners of escaped wild boar cannot be determined, private landowners can kill free roaming wild boar in protection of property. Property owners or a class agent, as defined under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act (FWCA), may kill escaped wild boars in protection of property without approval from MNRF. Hunters may kill free roaming escaped wild boars under the authority of a small game hunting licence, however all relevant federal, provincial and municipal legislation (e.g., trespassing, discharge of firearms by-laws, firearm licensing requirements) still apply.
Wild boars may weigh 200 pounds or more and may be aggressive. All wild animals are unpredictable by nature, so the public should avoid contact with these animals. The local police department should be notified if public safety becomes a concern.
I am 240lbs hungary and more aggressive. Hey piggy piggy....BANG! Honey fire up the bbq..:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by shuz
We hunt bears that are more aggresive then pigs. Bears love pig meat so maybe the MNRF just needs to bring in some big males to control the ferals..:joker:
I just spoke with the guy regarding the 'boars' turns out someone in the neighbor bought pot belly pigs... as pets.
I was like..... that doesn't seem like a good idea to have farm animals as pets.
I am okay with that. Eventually the pigs get too big and the owners want to get rid of them. They are not good for bacon (too much fat) but with a little work the make good ground pork and the hams are excellent. Often the owners offer them free in order to get rid of them. People don't realize that they need attention and care to look after trimming hoofs and trips to the vet.Quote:
Originally Posted by poltrojan
You ate your pet pig? :)
I wasn't sure if you would get much good meat. What about chops and ribs would the be any good or all fatty?
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Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
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Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
I'm I missing something? how can bacon have too much fat?
We just had some fatty bacon this morning - toasted bacon and tomatoe sandwich for brunch , yum, yum!:goodstuff:Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Video: Hunter Instantly Drops a Wild Boar with a .22 LR
http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2015/...ld-boar-22-lr/
Quite possible with a lucky shot. A grizzly was shot with a 22
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Originally Posted by Marko
That wasn't a lucky shot GW...it was a fairly close, broadside, head shot. Good shot, with good results.
They won't get rid of them that way...
Here's the article or a copy of it.
http://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/what...#axzz3dJVXGgq1
Yea....same deal..." But the bear came much too close, and when the big boar was only a few yards away, Bella Twin shot him in the side of the head with a .22 Long cartridge. The bear dropped, kicked and then lay still"Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
It's all about shot placement..
More deer and moose have been killed with a 22LR and other rimfire cartridges than many care to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The 25 Stevens Long rimfire that I received when my grandpa passed away was used for sustenance hunting, it is just a boys rifle too.
Has anyone heard of any of these hogs being seen let alone shot?
Yep, the hunter on the next property shot a 300 pounder 2 years ago. I talked to him and he said there were many others with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Now fast forward to last fall, I get a delivery from John Deer (Cumberland Dealer). Delivery guy explains that he was out helping his son after he shot a BIG pig. They broke the winch on the 4 wheeler and the tailgate on the truck hauling it in. Once at the butcher, scale showed 700+ lbs.
Wow, nothing down around Kemptville yet that I have heard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Wheelerdude
I think there have been reports in your area. Didn't MikePal post an article?
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Originally Posted by Fox
There were WildBoar shot down in the Spencerville area a few years back...something about escapes from a meat farm. I think they got them all.
But, as I just posted on the Bear thread...there is a Black bear in the neighbourhood Fox, you may want to keep a Gun handy to protect your livestock.
Thanks, gonna grab the 12ga and bring it upstairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Good point, since they usually come by at night, the '00' Buck is probably a smarter choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
A 5 pack of everything from target loads up through slugs, nice 23in barrel with fiber optic sights turns an 870 into a nice gun for livestock protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Bears have always been around Kemptville area and have seen a bear in the bishop's mills area a few times. Saw a bear near my old place down Johnston road and Bedell road as well. Before the box stores were built along the 416 I would also see a bear crossing the road early morning on the way to work. The Rideau Glen Golf course has had them from time to time as well.
A guy I work with shot a big boar in Ontario back in January. I didn't believe him but he has the pictures to prove it. I can't remember where exactly he was, but he said it was delicious.
it would be nice to know locations that way we know their spread and travel areas. I'm eager to get a boar.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdp89
You have a better chance at getting an Elk first.Quote:
Originally Posted by poltrojan
so durham region is eastern Ontario?
there is a pack of feral pigs running around now for 2 years on scugog island
in between seven mile island road and Stephenson point road on the west side of island road
they come into the back of goreskis quite frequently and I see the tracks in the woods
Are we talking about feral pigs or wild boars? Big difference....Wild boars will survive winters indeed - not sure about feral pigs, more common in southern states.
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Originally Posted by oaknut
There is not a big difference really...hard to tell them apart after a generation or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasu200
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But what about domestic pigs that escape and breed in the wild? Well, these are known as feral pigs/hogs and not boars, since, even though they live in the wild (and may have for several generations), they are not true wild boars.
So, how do domestic pigs and wild boars differ genetically and physically? Well, all swine share a common ancestor — the Eurasian wild boar or Sus scrofa. Wild boars are of the species Sus scrofa, whereas domestic pigs are of the subspecies Sus scrofa domesticus. (A few taxonomists put the domestic pig in a separate species from its wild counterparts, which is known as Sus domesticus.) Humans began domesticating pigs as early as 8000 B.C., and now there are many subspecies of Sus scrofa throughout the world.
In regards to appearance, wild boars generally have thicker, bristlier coats than domestics and have a noticeable ridge of hair running along their backs. They also have longer, straighter tails, and longer legs and heads.
That being said, feral domestic pigs start to take on the physical characteristics of wild boars after just one or two generations of being in the wild. Once they take on this wild appearance, it is hard to distinguish them from a pure Sus scrofa. Also, wild boars and feral pigs breed readily and create offspring that are nearly identical to wild boars, making them even more difficult to tell apart.
In truth, considering their high level of hybridization and similar appearance, there’s not much difference between feral pigs and wild boars. Even scientists have a hard time identifying these animals without analyzing them at the molecular level.
http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/08/06/...nd-wild-boars/
I grew up hunting European wild boars - wild pigs are nowhere near those beasts in excess of 300kgs - up to 450kgs in areas where they are not hunted. In Ontario we certainly don't have wild boars - not in the wild....
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Originally Posted by MikePal
1000lb pig? The world record is under 800lbs for a free range wild boar, these are few and far between, just like a 600lb black bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasu200
There can be just as good a chance of having Russian Boar in the Ontario woods as any pigs. They are all domestic or captive animals that have gotten out at some point and are reproducing, they can and will be the same thing and will cross.
The Star is reporting that OPP have shot and killed a wild boar in Caledon.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015...n-caledon.html
The worst part of this is that a 150lb animal will go to waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
There was an elk shot in Ottawa, they let it sit with the guts in for hours and the native group that it was donated to could only get a few hams off the back.
If it is killed take care of it properly and donate it to someone who needs it.
I think the concern with boar is public safety and they are destructive. I'm really not too concerned if it goes to waste or not, we don't want them here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Shoot it and put it out for someone to take.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter1
I agree that there is a public safety issue but it still an animal being killed and wasted, you can have it both ways.
I would take the boar meat and skin; i've been wanting to try some leatherworks. boar leather would be good practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Global TV just had a piece on tonight about wild boar in Caledon. 11 sightings since July. Now we're talking!! I really don't feel like going to Texas if I want to hunt boar...