Looks like they might ask Harper if he will please not destroy the registry, and turn it over to them?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/quebec-app...203814710.html
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Looks like they might ask Harper if he will please not destroy the registry, and turn it over to them?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/quebec-app...203814710.html
What a bunch of frigging IDIOTS....didn't the highest court in the land just rule that it is to be DESTROYED??????
I'm sure that might work! Especially when Quebec's court challenges resulted in a huge waste of tax money !! I know what my answer would be !
Something along the lines of Pierre Trudeau's "Fuddle Duddle"?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
The registry data is out of date. The work necessary to sort it out and bring it in line with all of the ongoing sales and exchanges really makes it an unwieldy beast.
This is a chance for Harper to win votes in Quebec. Given that there is no added value to the gun registry he should approve it. If Quebec wants to be their own distinct society and have their own gun registry then let it be. Provided there is no impact on other Canadians I am okay with him handing it over.
But pay attention to the details. It has to be affordable according to Couillard. I just see this a politics at the moment. If I were the PM I would hand over the data. The risk of a gun registry actually getting up and running in the next 10 yrs in Quebec is very low.
Not turning over the data will effectively be a poke in the eye to Quebec and they will not vote PC. This is an emotional issue for them and it has no connection with common sense or fact.
Nothing but political games. A liberal Harper hating Province looking to be paid off in exchange for a handful of Quebec seats. This is a horse race with Trudough and Harper nose to nose. Harper is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Be interesting to watch how he plays his hand.
Personally I don't think any gun owner should be subject to a registry. However, this is politics and at the moment Quebec has Harper in the roll of the bad guy for denying them want they think they want. I would hand it over with a caveat the says they have to hold a vote with a clear majority prior to release of the data.
This allows Harper to turn it back on them and ask for other concessions. The Quebec Liberals have realized that they are up against the wall since the promised a registry, lost in the SCC and are now stuck with a bill they can't afford.
There already is a National registry of gun owners called the PAL system. There is also a registry of restricted weapons. This is and always has been smoke and mirrors to placate the antigun voters. Nothing more nothing less.
No,the SCC ruled that LGR data wasn't required to be retained so Quebec could use it for their own registry. It didn't rule that the info had to be deleted.....but it will be and quickly,too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brampton Mike
The info from the old registry isn't as dated as one would think. Except for a very few people that continually deal in firearms or new people just coming into the sport,most hunters tend to keep their firearms for life,especially those which may have been handed down from family members. That's why it's important for all the data to be deleted ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
Anyone residing in Quebec has had to continue to register firearms through all this crap, the data is as accurate as any of the other data had been for the rest of Ontario before the cancellation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
The reality is a registry doesn't have to cost $ billions. The unions are the ones who force the creation of duplicate administration. They have health care databases and vehicle registration databases. They could attach to those systems without having to create an entire new layer of civil servants. But even that is not free and Quebec is working hard to balance it's budget. In fact instead of just doing photo ops with Couillard, Wynne should take notes.
Why would Harper do that? That would be lying and two faced to anybody that voted for him on the premise of doing away with registry. He would lose more votes than he would gain. Believe me anyone wanting the registry or happy to save it would never vote for Harper anyway. These same people would be the boy turdough or angry Tom supporters. Stick to your guns Stevie. No pun intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
If he gave it to Quebec would he not have to give it to any other province that requests the data ? That to me is the more dangerous question.
Not really. All other provinces had their data destroyed already.......so they say !!!!! RCMP searches during the flood out west would make one question that !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
There is no way in hell the police have destroyed that database.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Exactly hunter john. And like I said. Anybody in favour of the registry wouldn't be a conservative supporter anyway. Imo. The registry was useless when it was brought in. And useless over its duration and would be useless if ever reinstated. It would only be and always has been a feel good thing for the lefty politicians and gun hating people that think all guns and gun owners should become extinct. if the lefties put as much money time and effort curbing stabbings and gun crimes by criminals it would be more benificial than any registry. And if our bleeding heart judges would lock up these thugs for a long time instead of a pat on the wrist and a feel good hug we would all benifit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
Why would you say that? I would say it is destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
It is not hard to find out who has a firearm. Just look into who has a PAL, POL, or RPAL. I would be willing to bet 98% of the people with a license of some sort has a firearm.
Probably because of my mistrust of all things government !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by krismerry
As I put forth in a follow up, make Quebec vote on the gun registry. If they are bent on self determination let them impose it on themselves. I don't mean allowing the politicians to vote. I mean hold a plebiscite to allow a decision by all. If they collectively vote to hand over their charter rights on an emotion based issue then let them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bushman
Why would the PM want to take a knock at the polls over a group advocating for self denial of right to privacy? Let's face it, collectively as a group of firearms owners we pay attention to this issue. I don't think I am out of line by stating that gun control = zero increase in public safety.
To be honest, my first reaction to the decision was joy and relief at the decision. But in the presence of such a blatant politically motivated (dishonorable) move the PM needs an option. I am more concerned about having the Liberals as the next federal government than I am concerned about Quebec hunters having to report firearms purchases. Common sense and facts aren't going to remedy this. The collective psychy is pure emotion and therefore appeasement is warranted.
Saw a blip this morning.
Since the Oct/Nov (can anyone say ISIS and an attack on parliament) JT is showing a continued slide in polling, that's "telling". Hes literally fallen...quite flat since Sept 2014...The honeymoon and blush is over now that people may actually have to "cast a vote" soon. The biggest surprise or perhaps the thing to watch is the NDPs gaining. They are gaining and JT slipping.
While all polling needs to be taken with salt. The demographics are sort of telling here.
http://www.ipolitics.ca/2015/03/27/t...p-surges-ekos/
So on the topic of GC and the registry. Not sure if its really hurting Harper in Que. But at least right now it looks as though Que may go to the NDP again.
And that is my point. Even if the Liberals are slipping there is a need to blunt the NDP growth. It is too soon to understand the impact of the SCC decision on the federal polls in Quebec but you can sure bet that if Harper decides to delete the registry that the federal NDP's will use it as a lightening rod to rally support against the PCs in Quebec.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Why guess at the outcome? I am suggesting that the PM be proactive and gut the NDP before it even starts. If Harper offers Quebec the olive branch it costs him nothing as long as he provides it with the stipulation that Quebec holds a vote across the province. This is a win-win. He ends the discussion on the high ground and morally he has met his obligation to return privacy rights. If the province of Quebec turns and revokes their privacy in the interest of gun control, who are we to stop them? Moreover, Harper ends it quickly and has the luxury of waiting until they impale themselves on the costs to say... "
Told ya!" "
Not worth the cost vs the fiction of increased public safety!"
I agree with your hypothysis,but,Conservatives already know that there isn't a hope in hell this will garner any votes in Quebec. If the politicians aren't Separatiste,Liberal or NDP, french voters will have nothing to do with them. It has always been that way in Quebec and will always be. Allowing the registry data to be given to Quebec will only be seen by the ROC as blatantly useless vote pandering and frankly,The Conservatives are above that on this grassroots issue. That's what has the potential for their political base to implode and they know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
Actually I think Harper probably wants a strong NDP so crushing it might not be beneficial to them. Consider them the "useful idiots" that will steal votes from Trudough and then the Conservatives come up the middle. Quebec is crucial to the liberals so the fact they are possibly going to vote orange again will be helpful.
Good thoughts DGeary.
My guess would be along Terrys line. The "threat" to the cons is the Liberals, so with JT losing supporters and those going to the NDP, while it doesn't hurt their chances, it helps. The other danger I would guess is that if Harper focuses on Muclair and starts trading shots with him. Just as during the Duffy scandal when angry Tom and Harper were trading jabs, it left JT untouched and looking pretty and his popularity climbed.
The Eastern provinces have always been red, the west largely con and the swing votes always Que/Ont. In years gone by the Que vote was bought (pandering to Que both monetarily and hence so many Liberal Leaders from the belle province)…But now the NDP throw a wrinkle into that. Let them take JTs support :)