MNR hello....is anyone home.

So what does it take to actually speak to a person that has a clue at the MNR without being past around from voice mail to voice mail with no call backs. I'm going on week number 2 of trying to speak to someone about obtaining a permit to use some birds to train my dog. All I want is to buy a few birds to train my dog. I'm not asking for much.....just a piece of paper that will let me put out a few birds so my dog can find them. This is insane. I call the Vineland Office. Please push 1 for this 2 for that......3&4. Well non of these options work. Then it tells me " sorry your having trouble please call back lol. What a friggin joke. I tried to obey the rules but I'm sorry this is a joke. I need a few quail for my dog because I'm running a trail in a few weeks in MI and quail are being used. Don't need chukar, don't need pigeons or pheasant just quail that will fly. Anyone selling please pm me. The big sellers of quail don't sell without permit.

Walk into the local MNR office. They have to see you then.

Have you tried the natural resources information center? 1-800-667-1940

I never had much issue to talk to someone that knows is stuff. I even got CO's to call me.

My local MNR office is a 3 hour round trip drive. Will it be worth the drive to have someone tell me to go to a different office.....I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by oaknut

Walk into the local MNR office. They have to see you then.

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Oaknut,

I tried to do this with the office in Guelph. I was told at information I needed to book an appointment. See little brit's explanation of what usually comes next.

Little brit,

Could you perhaps phone a game preserve and try to work something out for training? You would do the training but buy the birds off him? I am just thinking outside the box.

Dyth

Called info center and was passed over once again. Called number left messages no call back.

You might need a miracle...

I hear you. To be honest, I gave up getting a permit and take my chances.

You can't release bobwhite at all in Ontario unless at a game farm. You could go to a game farm for practice.
Conturix quail are not a natural bird here so can be released with no problem. ( pretty sure).

The CO is the only one dealing with these permits at the Office. As he is usually out in the bush/woods etc , it is very hard to talk to someone.

Which trial are you going to? I'll be at Gladwin April 10-11 so maybe we'll get to say hello. :)

I have an option to do that already but it's an hour away. I have my neighbours place to train on which is pretty much a game farm I just need birds and it's a lot closer.

I'm running NSTRA in Michigan. Something I always wanted to try. I tried the UGA that was held last summer at Ruffwood but not run properly.

check kijiji under livestock... spring is almost here and people should be hatching quail eggs... as sharon said, courntix quail do not need a license to be raised... i had bought a few last year and was gonna raise them, but a weasel had a better idea of what to do with them lol

Conturix or Tennesse Reds can be raised but bobwhites can not be released in ON except for game farms .

Try calling to report a crime.... I did, poached geese dumped on my farm out of season. I knew it wasn't their jurisdiction entirely but the helpful woman on the line said it was the best place to call. Somehow between their end and Environment Canada I got a phone call from Ottawa 5 weeks later.

Try the classifieds here http://poultrytheme.poultryswapontario.net too. You might not want to say too much

If you walk into our omnr office, you will come to a locked door with a phone. After trying all the numbers on the list, 7 out of 10 you will get no one. If after trying every number you have an option of dialing 0 for the operator. She might be there at her desk. She will see if anyone is in the office, then send that person to the locked door.

Ontario government has no money!! It's not the employees fault.

I've been to auctions people are bidding up to $8 per courtnix quail. They aren't the best bird to train with I will need the bird to fly. Only things on kijiji are courtnix and over priced.

All I need is a permit. Then I can go buy some ten reds and all will be good. Lol

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I've been to auctions people are bidding up to $8 per courtnix quail. They aren't the best bird to train with I will need the bird to fly. Only things on kijiji are courtnix and over priced.

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ouch... i got mine last year at a auction as adults for $2 each...

Get in touch with your MPP and explain it to them that you have made numerous attempts to contact the MNR. They might, and I say might, rattle some chains on your behalf?

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All I need is a permit. Then I can go buy some ten reds and all will be good. Lol

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I don't think you need a permit for reds.

You can search back, I posted a lot of info on training permits.
In my experience it's harder to get to live people in MNR in the last couple years, it has to be the cuts.
In my office, it's not CO issuing the permits.
I faxed my application month(!!!) ago and I called the office and left a message that I haven't heard from them.
Couple days later pleasant young lady called me and said it's now her issuing the permits and she located my forms and she will be issuing all the permits at once in a few days. So I do hope to get it soon.
WRT birds - again, go to Wayne Gerber, he has good flying birds and it's not that far from you.

Just buy and use pigeons, open season all year in Ont, no permit needed and they fly well unlike conturix quail. Conturix quail are one of the worst birds you can use for pointer dog training, they don't fly well, they don't even run away from a dog. If your dog caches one its going to set back your training.

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Originally Posted by vom Dufenshmirtz

You can search back, I posted a lot of info on training permits.
In my experience it's harder to get to live people in MNR in the last couple years, it has to be the cuts.
In my office, it's not CO issuing the permits.
I faxed my application month(!!!) ago and I called the office and left a message that I haven't heard from them.
Couple days later pleasant young lady called me and said it's now her issuing the permits and she located my forms and she will be issuing all the permits at once in a few days. So I do hope to get it soon.
WRT birds - again, go to Wayne Gerber, he has good flying birds and it's not that far from you.

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This is your post from last year which I read this afternoon. Very informative so I thought I'd repost it. Thanks.

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bird release permit

I(Leon) received a letter from MNR - they're simplifying bird release process.
As of Jan 2014 you can release up to 10 pheasants or chukars on your private property w/o permit.
10 is a season limit. All other rules and regs apply.
You can keep pheasants in captivity up to 10 days w/o a license.

That's the gist of it. May be it belongs in Upland section :) mostly dog people do it, I think

Updated:
Attached is the letter from MNR and the list of species MNR manages/issues permits for (also received from MNR).

http://www.oodmag.com/community/atta...224818&thumb=1
http://www.oodmag.com/community/atta...224638&thumb=1


This is the list of game birds that MNR issues these permits for –

Bobwhite, Northern

Grouse, Ruffed

Grouse, Sharp-tailed

Grouse, Spruce

Partridge, Gray (Hungarian)

Pheasant, Ring-necked

Ptarmigan, Rock

Ptarmigan, Willow

We also issue the same authorization for varying hare and cottontail.
Please ensure that you check your Hunting Regulations for the closed seasons for all of the above.

For any other birds you should contact the Canadian Wildlife Services. Here is a phone number I was able to locate 905-336-4464

I sent my permits in I am calling to see where they are and what's going on. It's been 4 weeks. I don't plan on using courtnix quail and I do use pigeons and chukar. I want the quail to use for practice runs while training on my own using same birds that will be used at event. I did call Wayne he wants a permit for birds.

I'll second what Bushmoose says: call your local MPP. There is absolutely no excuse for any government office not responding in a responsible manner or time frame to an enquiry from the public.

My guess is the delay is only because they are looking for some way to attach a revenue tool or other tax to the permit.

Lol Terry , you might not be wrong.

Sounds like trying to see our family doctor. Stopped in last Tuesday and asked to make an appointment. His secretary told me to phone in next Tuesday and I could get an appointment in 7-10 days. When I asked about making it in person NOW instead of waiting she told me that she could do that, but the appointment would not be until May......???
I believe the manager of the clinic must have been a government employee in a past life....

Try Peterborough MNR office. I have never called related to your query, but the first person who picked up was always helpful in putting me through to someone present and knowledgeable.

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Try Peterborough MNR office. I have never called related to your query, but the first person who picked up was always helpful in putting me through to someone present and knowledgeable.

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That is something I have always done and have never been steered wrong!