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I know they have dam expensive but also not permitted in Ontario?
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Why is this illegal? #5-6-7 sized shot is legal. I think at $10.00 a shot you would need your head examined though...:whacked:
#7 is illegal to use on turkeys....not illegal to sell though.
The really criminal thing here is the $10/shot.
Didn't we get into this hoopla about Cabelas selling traps a few months ago?
Onus is on the end user, not the retailer.
That is $15.00 overpriced you can buy Hevi 13 for $35.00/box elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by hunterdave
That load probably has more #5s and #6s that all 2 3/4 inch loads and some 3" loads.
Are we still restricted to #4,5,6?
Yes indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Holy crap @ that price.
Anyways, theres nothing illegal about it. Its no different then Canadian Tire in southern Ontario selling a box of 3006 with a deer on it. Its up to the user to make sure what they're using is legal for where they are hunting.
Ridiculous
I sure thought so,at least,the last time I checked,so,the onus is on the hunter to be sure he/she is using the right equipment for the area they may be hunting....not necessarily Ontario....as it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
My bad. I thought 7 was legal. Then this load is not legal in Ontario.
Given the god awful price, I'm not sure many will be taking to the field with these loads regardless.
However, they are in fact a factory loaded "stringer load" which would also have merits for hunting bunnies, grouse, pheasants in tough cover.....
These shells do work well but so does any other load inside 30 yards. If you want to shoot 50 to 60 yards then shells like this are your deal. But personally I can't see spending 11.50 per shell..... I guess I'm able to call then in close enough I can save myself coin. I like using an arrow because I can use it over and over again just sharpen a broad head.
BTW Win supreme #5s 1300 FPS are deadly loads for less than 1/4 the price.... In a pinch if your using an older more open choked shotgun steel #4s in 3" work great as well. I know an older guy whom gets his birds every year and that's all he uses.
Yeah, this is just like stores selling real deer urine. It's legal to sell, but not to use while hunting.
I use Kent Turkey Loads... $7-8 for 10.
I mentioned this to a friend about a month ago about those shells...lets see how long it takes before its brought up on a message board....haha...here we are....
Legal to sell, illegal to use (here). Basspro sells the stuff but they are kind enough to post a sign above the ammo counter stating that it can't be used here. I suppose their reasoning is that if you are going to travel for a turkey hunt where the stuff is legal, you can purchase and pattern before you go.
I am sure thy would do a heck of a job on a pheasant ..that is just a crazy price ,but I see a lot of guys in the usa that use them ,,thy are very popular down there ,,Dutch
Re: the mix of small shot in these heavy duty loads - have a look at how much energy a #7 1/2 has at 50+ yards. Adding the small shot for a denser pattern at long range is best described as sucker-bait. The only place for smaller shot in turkey hunting as at shorter ranges and then almost any load will do - small shot will have the energy - large shot will have the pattern density.
Wouldn't it be the other way, large shot would have the energy and small shot the pattern density. Even though they are not legal to use on turkey, that #7 hevi shot would hold more energy than a #6 lead would.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
I visit a usa web sight and the boys down there are having very good luck with the federal heavy weight 7 shot ..thy are getting 150 to 170 pellets in a 10 inch circle at 40 yards ..thy cannot get enough of this stuff ..Dutch
Just like any non-predator electronic calls. A store associate once told me that those are sold for "training", you know so you can hear what you should be sounding like with your mouth calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cintax
Read it again... What I was saying is that at shorter ranges it doesn't matter. Small shot (which would have energy problems at long range) has enough energy at close range. Large shot (which would have density problems at long range) would have the pattern density at close range.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter1
That was my reasoning when I moved to the Kent Ulimate Turkey loads that had the 4,5,6 shot combination (C122TK46-4,5,6)(http://www.huntstuff.com/catalog_ven...ateturkey.html)Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
It made sense to get (hopefully) the best performance out of the 3 different shot sizes in one shot.
They work, but getting harder to find.
Got it:) Sorry for the misreadQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
It is not illegal for them to sell........only illegal for you to use while turkey hunting. No different than buying #1 or #2 lead shot.......you can buy it but don't get caught hunting waterfowl with it because you will be fined.
Not at 10 bucks a pop......and 3 1/2". If you want to go thru a couple boxes shooting grouse or pheasant in a day... Hell I may just buy you the boxes but only if you let my video it and post it "EVERWHERE"!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Nope. I'll load my own stringer loads in 2 3/4" thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
I wouldn't be so sure. I bet the guys who get caught with these loads would be the late starting guys with too much money, who don't have time to pattern their guns so they go out and buy the most expensive "hardest hitting" loads to compensate for not knowing their gun. just my guess....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
I use hevi 13 (not that load) but I pattern my gun regularly, sporting clay skeet and trap shoot (not as much as I used to but 10s of thousands of rounds through the shotti, not many can say that). I always try to maximize the performance of my equipment because that is only fair the the game I pursue and myself, so the above comment may be a little bit of an unresearched generalization me thinks:)
Personally I love the Hevi 13 - the 3" 2oz #6 seems to work best for me in my shotgun. Yes they are not cheap +/- $40 for 5, but man can they pattern. I find it funny that people will spend $$$$ of money on a gun but shoot the crappiest ammo through it.
Anyway here are some of my 40 yrd patterns using this load and a less expensive Winchester 3-1/2" #6 HV. Both will kill a turkey stone dead but $35.00 (US) for 2 years of turkey shells are pretty inexpensive. These targets are both 10" circle shot from exactly 40yds.
HEVI 13 2oz 3" #6 scored 162 & 154
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Winchester 3-1/2" #6 HV scored 115
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im not saying buying expensive loads is bad if you can afford it and it works for you..... however I think there is some guys who do this (overcompensate for under preparing), and those will be the guys who will miss the fact that they are not legal around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter1
it was certainly an anecdotal generalization, but I am not sure how I could have researched to come up with a different conclusion since it is anecdotal...
The way I see it is that, you only need 1 shell to kill a Turkey, and another (maybe 2) to pattern it. Why not spend top dollar on a great performing load? If you want to just shoot for target, you are obviolsy not going to use the good stuff, so what does it matter the cost? A box of 10 premium turkey loads might last you 3-4 seasons if you just hunt in the spring..... Thats a good deal in my books
Those would make for an awesome crow load
The price is still harder to swallow then crow.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffBondar
A few less would help
A coupla years ago I picked up a few boxes of Remington 4x6 turkey loads. Patterned them then used them for the hunt and was really impressed. The turkeys that where shot with this load couldn't argue one way or the other about the load. Still have some for future use. Can't recall what I paid for them but recall them being fairly reasonable.
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I dont get the expensive cost thing guys.
You buy two boxes of five Hevi shot at $17, use part of one to see what pattern you are getting and the remainder goes to hunting use. So you have 10 shells say pattern two of those you are left with 8, that should get you through 4 seasons. So over four seasons of turkey hunting you are spending less than 10 bucks a year in shells.
I wish waterfowling was that cheap
I saw these the other day and nearly died at the price. But I'm thinking I might pick some up and see how much deader they kill gobblers. Just not sure I see a lot of downrange potential with the 7's, so why include them? At close range, anything should work and pattern shouldn't be an issue.
The box looks pretty though.
Send Recipe very interested.....just finished loading 250 -3"of Princess auto (Steel sand blasting media) for ducks next year with MEC 600.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
It is all marketing, if you can put #7 in there then it looks like you have more pellets on target. The problem I see is that at 40+ yards how much energy do each one of those #7 pellets have? Will they even penetrate the skull of the turkey for a kill shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quigy
The shells are not illegal, they are just not legal for hunting turkey in Ontario as they contain shot other than #4,5,6. I personally like #6 shot, tons of pellets on target but I am also keeping my shots to 30 yards, I enjoy that range and the birds are really dead, not just a little dead.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. The price you mention is more reasonable than what the OP is talking about. The OP is talking about shells that cost $50 plus tax for 5. That's about $11 each for a shotgun shell (!). We are not talking about a precision rifle round here, just a shotgun shell. To me, the price is simply ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by bardern
That price is crazy for any round. Would anyone pay $220/box of 20 rounds of rifle ammo?Quote:
Originally Posted by rf2
These prices are double the 50BMG price and 2.5x the cost of Hornady 338 Lapua 250gr rounds.
There is obviously enough people buying them to support the company, and if they weren't a great shell they wouldn't keep winning awards. But to each their own, buy the best you can afford has always been my motto.
the cost is in the shot. we buy similar compounds where I work the cost is up to 7c each. that adds up in a shotgun shell but the superior down range energy in my opinion more than justifies the added cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by rf2
I am not sure of the $10 a piece shells but the hevi shot I buy is $17 per five.
I think the rule to use shotgun (and the limit in shot size) in turkey hunting is to give turkey some chance.
Do you know how much heavier the hevi-shot is over lead? I read 0.8 g/cc difference, so with the size difference of the #7 pellet vs #6, it has to be similar to hold the same energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bardern
Still crazy for $10 a shot.
Actually it is 1.66 g/cc and with the smaller cross section it should hold more energy downrange.
No - the limit on large shot (nothing larger than #4) is a safety issue. The limit on small shot (nothing smaller than #6) is a wounding issue, similar to the minimum size #1 buck rule for deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OakvilleTrading
$17 per 5 is reasonable for a premium 'specialty' product, $50 per 5 is not. If people keep supporting this ridiculousness then its only going to get worse.
Help me out here........but where are you buying Hevi 13 for $17/box of 5!!?? Even better.......where are you buying Hevi 13 turkey loads in Canada period!! I have seen the Hevi waterfowl loads and that crappy #5/6/7 combo at Bass Pro, but I have not seen the true Hevi-13 Turkey loads up here in years.Quote:
Originally Posted by bardern
Best price around is Cabelas (US) - Hevi 13 3" 2oz #6......reg $30.99 on sale for $24.99......include exchange and your $32.75 Cdn. If you see this at $17 a box buy a flat of it and you can double your money!! Last time I saw it in a store was 2 years back and I bought 3 boxes (15 shells) for just under $100 and I still have enough shells to last a couple of seasons. I figure by then someone will have something that will perform as good or better than it and I will make the switch.
I bought a few boxes last year at LeBaron in Mississauga and Bass Pro had them as well. And yes it has been a few years since Barry must have bought them, I paid about $30.00 per box of 5.
are local shop had some for 45$ for 5 shells ,,that's righ 45$ I left them right were thy were ,,,,Dutch
then I think how little it costs for a load in my Black Powder shotgun...and does the same thing but with far more panche..LOL...
my bad guys. I picked the hevi shot up on a smoking deal last year for $17. you are correct in that the average retail is in the $30 range.
That's what I thought too, but I wasn't sure because I don't even pay attention to Hevi shot due to the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
And I will say to you..."Send recipe very intefested".Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
How do they pattern and any strange behavior from them?
It's 4, 5, and 6 isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
they had them at my canadian tire too, thought they were crazy.. now, i don't use them, can't justify spending $11 per shell.. however, if other wanna use them, all the power to them.. what gets me cranked up, CT had these and nothing else.. told the guy that they're not giving the consumer much choice, we should have the choice of a more affordable shot.. did end up finding some, was still $36 per 5, still expensive.. i use 3 shells ( 20, 30 and 40 yard) to pattern, one shot at each.. i bought 2 boxes, so i still have 7 shells which should get me through a few seasons.. none the less, hunting is getting more and more expensive
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Originally Posted by buckluck_9pt
It makes me shake my head when I read these threads. There isn't much special about killing a turkey. You just find a load that patterns well in a tight choke. I use Kent Turkey loads... 10 for $7. I can't fathom spending $30-50 for five shots.
Same here... but... admittedly, right now i can't get any of my cheaper rounds (most expensive box was $17 for 5, cheapest was $9 for 5) to pattern reliably past 30 yards (maybe this is the max for my 20 ga though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cintax
Maybe if I dropped $40-$50 for 5... I'd find a product that could let me reach out to the magical 40 yard mark?
not only are they not giving the consumer much choice. they are not giving the consumer ANY legal choice. unless you are talking b about the plain Hevi-shot and not the one from the original post.Quote:
Originally Posted by buckluck_9pt
man that would be an expensive patterning session to find one that works out right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
I have a 20 gauge SX3 with a Carlson's Turkey choke. I will post a picture of the pattern I get out of it at 30 yards tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
Do you use a turkey choke? Some of those special loads are designed for modified chokes and they don't perform well in an extra full choke.
But there us something to be said for getting the most pellets in a circle.
All I have to say in winchester long beard. Picked 4 boxes of 10 6 shot 3 oz for 16.99 before price went up. Buy those and forget this thread. Lol..,,
I made my own 20g turkey shells this year. Cost me a whopping 2 minutes =)
Patterning them on Sunday.
I cant justify or believe some are paying upwards of 3-5 $ per shell. You guys must be richer than me!
I had visions of doing this myself one day. I bought some Longshot but never got around to it. I realized after buying the powder that I'd have to spend a bunch of money on the lead that I didn't have too. I'll stick with the Kent's they are cheap and effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Killington
30 yard targets...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cintax
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Check out my patterns in my earlier post - Wicked deadly out to 40yds. I have not yet seen a shell that can out pattern that (yet.....and I am always looking)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
I do the same....only I add rock salt and black peppercorns....saves a lot of prep time for my wife.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Killington
I bought a box! Will not be testing them on anything but a live bird, but had to buy non-toxic for a specific area. We'll let you all know if they kill any better than my tried and test Federal 6's.
Also, only paid $23 plus $10 rebate, so not really unaffordable. $50 plus a box is outrageous though. But, CT sells Heavy Steel for like $44.95 where I am. And that is equally outrageous!
are local Ct had three boxes of the heavy 567 shot as well ,I would have likes to have tried a box just to see but not at 45$ for 5 shells ,,the guys in the USA are all bragging about a new #7 heavy weight by federal ,,thy are getting huge numbers at 40 yards with it ,,Dutch
That's this one I posted about a few months back.....sound like a winner !!Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
http://www.oodmag.com/community/show...y-Hunting-Ammo
I think are laws have not kept up to the times and heavier then lead loads ..this heavy stuff hits so much harder then lead you can move down two sizes in shot ,,The usa guys are talking about a average of 140 pellets in a ten inch circle at 40 yards with a 20g ,,#7 heavy ,,best of both worlds great swarm and heavy hitters ,,Dutch
This is a good point, Dutch. Certainly mixing in #7's with a blend of #5s and #6s should be allowed, especially given the fact it's better than lead. But, I don't think there is anything in the rules that says what sort of load you have to use, provided they are 4s, 5s, or 6s. You'd never catch me using a pheasant load on a turkey, so perhaps this rule should be re-addressed to accommodate the advances in turkey load technology. These new #7 loads aren't exactly your dove or grouse load!Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
I wonder if thy will drop the price if the shells are still sitting on the store shelfs after the season ,,I would like to try them ,Dutch
The USA guys are taking birds with #9 tungsten shot out of 410's with zero issues up to 50-60 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
The Canadian Tire store in Orillia has had this stuff on the shelf since before Christmas and I would bet it was there long before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
Well, I tried this stuff out on a couple gobblers. Seems to kill em deader. And for the price, it had better!