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my inlaws were over and we had a talk about his half ton and his camper ,he says he has to have a yearly inspection sticker on his chev Silverado 1500. to pull his 24foot camper ,,,is this right ,what about us pulling the 23foot proline I am sure it would out way his 24 foot rv ,,as it is a salt water boat with a 225 etec ,,,this is the first I have heard about this safety being done every year ,,what say the masses ,,,is this a scam to feed the liberals pockets ,,Dutch
No way,no how in Ontario. What province/state are they from? That would make a difference.
thy are in Ontario and say that the MTO is stopping people on the 400 hwy and giving tickets for not having the safetys ,,he has a yellow sticker on his truck now from a yearly safety now ,,,I never heard of this ,,,Dutch
Dutch I think the laws says anything combined total weight of 10,000lbs needs a sticker... I found this article below interesting...
http://www.northernontario.travel/at...rs-and-the-law
IIRC,Last5oh_302 is a retired MTO inspector. It may be wise to shoot him a PM. This is a new one on me,but,it may be because your in-law's truck is commercially licensed and his trailer requires trailer brakes,but,that's just a guess.
that's a good read thanks fratri learn something new every day ,,,,Dutch
Gotta few years to go yet trimmer, but for the first time ever I'm starting to look forward to it! :cool:
Dutch, RV's are exempt from stickers, and always have been. He likely doesn't require one on his 1/2 ton either.
http://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900611#BK7Quote:
2.2 (1) Sections 4, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 8 and 10 do not apply in respect of the following classes of vehicles:1. A motor vehicle commonly known as a recreational vehicle or as a motor home, other than a motor vehicle,
If his pickup is a dually it is considered a commercial vehicle hence the need for an annual inspection sticker.
Fun fact all pick up trucks in Ontario are registered as comercial vehicles. You might have a little red sticker in the top corner that says "primary personal use" or something like that, but your ownership will say comercial.
Comercial vehicles have black numbers / letters on the plates
passenger vehicles have blue numbers / letters on the plates
so even a half ton non dually pick up truck is a comercial vehicle
The yellow sticker / anual safety is caused by the gvwr not the number of tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brampton Mike
not a dually just a 1500 chevy ,my mother inlaws sister lives in barrie and her son is with the opp in barrie and he says thy do charge a lot of guys with no safety sticker on the 400hyw in half tons pulling campers ,thus is all new to me ,My inlaws just got there second yearly safety and I did not think thy needed one ,but thy seem to think thy do ,,I think it is just a cash grab ,safety a new truck every year ,just to go camping and for folks that are retired fixed income ,thy know how to stick it to the common man ,,Dutch
A half ton (with regular registration/RGW) pulling a camper doesn't require safety stickers, that much I can tell you. That's not to say OPP aren't charging for it, but if they do, I suggest you take it to court.
can you comment on my situationQuote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
bought a new all aluminum enclosed trailer with tandem axles rated for 3500 lbs each, electric trailer brakes and break away brakes. The trailer came with the yellow sticker on it.
i pull this trailer with a half ton pick up truck (never used for comercial purposes)
the curb weight of the trailer is 1900 lbs
i only use the trail to haul atv's and hunting gear , so less than 2000 lbs of cargo
I am far bellow the 10000 lbs combined limit
do I need to have the trailer safety inspection every year, or was this done as part of importing from the USA and registering in Ontario? Or is it based on the fact that I have the ability to go over the 10000 lbs combined gross limit and would now need to yellow sticker the pick up truck as well?
i realize that it is required to be compliant, the electric brakes have to be in good working order at all times
From my experience with tandems I'm going to say yes, you do require them (likely why it already has sticker). The easiest way to confirm this is by checking the manufacturers sticker on the trailer. If the MGVWR is over 4500 kg's (haven't seen a tandem that's under 4500) then you require stickers for both truck and trailer. If it's undrr 4500 you still need to add the MGVWR of your half ton, and that will almost definitely put it over 4500. Kinda sucks doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
It's based on the ability.
I believe that if one or the other, truck or trailer has the yellow safety sticker then both need it. I also believe that the exception is for campers only not enclosed cargo trailers or utility trailers
In a nutshell, yes. That's about the easiest way to say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooseman
Thanks Rick,Quote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
I was hoping that it would fall under recreational use rules due to the ATV's.
not a huge issue as I keep my vehicles in good repair. The extra 60 bucks for each inspection is far cheaper than the fines and insurance increases due to the fines.
Glad I could help.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
No, ATVs, race cars, etc, do fall under a personal use pickup exemption, but it has nothing to do with safeties (yellow stickers). There are no exemptions for safeties, unless you're talking about RV's, in transit permits, or dealer plates.
I am also building in 2 fold down sleeping platforms , insulated the trailer , installed interior lighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooseman
so it is more of a toy hauler / camper that just doesn't look like a camper on the outside.
It's an officer discretion call really, but an enclosed utility trailer likely won't be considered what is commonly known as an RV. Toy haulers can be a discretionary call as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
2.2 (1) Sections 4, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 8 and 10 do not apply in respect of the following classes of vehicles:
1. A motor vehicle commonly known as a recreational vehicle or as a motor home, other than a motor vehicle,
i. carrying commercial cargo or tools or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes, or
ii. carrying animals or non-commercial tools, equipment or vehicles that occupy one-half or more of its floor space.
2. A house trailer, other than a house trailer,
i. owned or leased by an employer to house the employer’s employee,
ii. carrying commercial cargo or tools or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes, or
iii. carrying animals or non-commercial tools, equipment or vehicles that occupy one-half or more of its floor space. O. Reg. 80/11, s. 2.
(2) In paragraph 2 of subsection (1), “house trailer” includes a cabin trailer, collapsible cabin trailer, tent trailer and camping trailer. O. Reg. 80/11, s. 2.
Here's some info that I will try to put as simply as possible(some of it may be what others have stated):
-travel trailers and fifth wheel trailers are exempt
-if either truck or trailer has/requires yellow sticker, both truck AND trailer need yellow sticker
If you are towing the following types of trailers:
-utility, snowmobile, boat, motorcycle(I may have missed some)
the following calculation is used to determine if you need a yellow sticker on BOTH
truck and trailer.
Take the highest of the weights listed below for the truck:
-actual weight(from scaling at truck stop)
-registered weight(from registration slip)
-GVWR(usually found on sticker on door jam of vehicle)
Take the highest of the weights listed below for the trailer:
-actual weight(from scaling)
-GVWR(from manufacturer's sticker)
Add these 2 numbers together.
If the result is greater than 4500kg(10,000lbs) then a yellow sticker is required on BOTH.
that sounds right and in the case of travel trailers it is just the truck that needs the safety sticker ,so I am told ,,so now I am wondering if we need the safety for the truck to haul the boat ,,Dutch
Dutch....see post #12....regarding the truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
could be right but thy are charging folks for not having it on the 400hwy near barrie ,,Dutch
I'm told that 95% of the charges are for over loads,unsafe tires,hitches,lights and safety chains. Some of thr driver stupidity boggles the mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
I guess that depends on the size of the towed camper. If the camper weighs more than 2800 kg's then that weight needs to be included in the RGW on the registration for the truck. If the RGW indicated on the registration is greater than 4500 kg's then the truck needs a sticker.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
How big is this camper you're talking about? I was picturing a half ton Chev 1500 pulling a single axle camper.
Edit, I went back and read you first post. I suppose a 24 foot camper could be over 2800 kg's, but I doubt it. If so then they may need the sticker on the truck, but that would only be if the RGW on the registration was over 4500 kg's, or if the actual weight of truck and trailer combined exceed 4500 kg's. So, it could be possible that they need it but without knowing whether the RGW on the registraion is over 4500, or the actual weight of truck and trailer exceed 4500 it's all speculation, but it could be close.
I think a 24 footer would measure in around 2000 kg's and the truck would be about the same.
Here's a PDF that has good info on truck/trailer and inspection sticker requirements
http://66.49.173.199/Drive%20Ontario...egulations.pdf
Just remember that this document shows "three new exemptions for personal use of pick up trucks"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Mo
This only means being exempt from CVOR and log books, it does not exempt you from annual safety certification if your combined GVWR is over 4500kg