Bill c-42 passes third reading..

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June 16th, 2015, 07:03 PM
topher

Bill c-42 passes third reading..

Royal assent expected June 18
http://calibremag.ca/home/2015/06/bi...rsday-june-18/
June 17th, 2015, 09:58 AM
GoldenLakePete

My MP, Cheryl Gallant, promised me that Bill C-42 would pass but I really didn't believe her.

I guess I'll have to donate to the CPC.
June 17th, 2015, 10:09 AM
greatwhite

Call me cynical or whatever, but if the Conservatives lose this bill will be struck down before Christmas.
June 17th, 2015, 10:31 AM
Fishy Wishy

GW,

It will no longer be a bill by then. It will be enshrined as Law. It receives royal assent this week.

Of course...the left, if they win, will likely at some point table their own bill to change these laws again. But I don't think that willbe their top priority. If it becomes so I would be highly suspect of their motives.

Instead I think you will see foreign policy, energy policy and repealing of tough on crime laws be their priority. Then comes the bud...it will be tops for sure.
June 17th, 2015, 10:59 AM
kingt

does this mean that if I own a possession only license. I will be able to purchase an unrestricted rifle?
June 17th, 2015, 11:20 AM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingt

does this mean that if I own a possession only license. I will be able to purchase an unrestricted rifle?

No you still need to have an RPAL. When you renew your POL you have to get a PAL or RPAL. There will be no more renewals of POL's.
June 17th, 2015, 04:04 PM
Gerald

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

No you still need to have an RPAL. When you renew your POL you have to get a PAL or RPAL. There will be no more renewals of POL's.

Why would he need an RPAL? kingt wants to buy an unrestricted firearm.
June 17th, 2015, 06:19 PM
topher

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingt

does this mean that if I own a possession only license. I will be able to purchase an unrestricted rifle?

yes u will.
unsure if it is like the att, where it will be applied at renewal... there will probably be a rush of early renewals on rpals..
June 17th, 2015, 07:47 PM
bush24

Upon renewal,
POL's will automatically upgrade to PAL,
RPOL's will automatically upgrade to RPAL's.?
June 18th, 2015, 12:07 AM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerald

Why would he need an RPAL? kingt wants to buy an unrestricted firearm.

Typed Rpal should have been PAL.
June 18th, 2015, 04:55 AM
topher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Typed Rpal should have been PAL.

POLS are being changed to pals.
No new test nothing. .. they just become pals.. Unsure if it is on renewal or instant.
June 18th, 2015, 10:17 AM
blasted_saber

POLs will be assumed to be PALs once this passes. You wont need to wait for renewal.
June 18th, 2015, 12:33 PM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

POLs will be assumed to be PALs once this passes. You wont need to wait for renewal.

Never let a POL lapse or it will still be required to upgrade with the course and exam. C-42 won't change that.
June 18th, 2015, 03:26 PM
Wahoo

Just received an e-mail from CSSA - it's a done deal - Royal Assent!
June 18th, 2015, 03:57 PM
blasted_saber

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

Never let a POL lapse or it will still be required to upgrade with the course and exam. C-42 won't change that.

POLs wont exist after the bill goes to law. The card will stay say POL but it will be considered a PAL. And part of the law is also a 6 month grace period for expired licenses.

If you let your license expire and miss the 6 month grace period, well, thats your own fault and I have a difficult time feeling sorry for you. We're all adults and should be able to keep our licenses in order (extenuating circumstances excluded).
June 18th, 2015, 04:02 PM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by blasted_saber

POLs wont exist after the bill goes to law. The card will stay say POL but it will be considered a PAL. And part of the law is also a 6 month grace period for expired licenses.

If you let your license expire and miss the 6 month grace period, well, thats your own fault and I have a difficult time feeling sorry for you. We're all adults and should be able to keep our licenses in order (extenuating circumstances excluded).

I agree,absolutely. This was signed into law by the GG,today. Ralph Goodale is now on record claiming the Liberals "have no intention of re-introducing an LGR." The NDP hasn't made any comments one way or the other,but,given the corner stones of a quasi-communist party,I think it's a fair supposition that they'd do it in a heartbeat.
June 18th, 2015, 10:01 PM
welsh

Changes to POL fon't take effect for 3 months. Until then, it's still a POL.

The 6 month grace period won't go into effect for 9 months.

Similarly, ATTs are still required for a few months yet. Check the Cdn firearms centre site.
June 19th, 2015, 08:15 AM
DGearyFTE

I am still trying to find additional corroborating statements from the Minister's officer but this is from the updated link that topher posted as part of his start of this thread.

From Calibre magazine...
That’s right folks. According to the timeline we were given, all holders of RPALs should no longer require separate LTATT paperwork, and all POL holders can head down to their local gun shop and buy a new gun to celebrate, hopefully some time before Canada Day. Furthermore, we were informed that the order to move the Swiss Arms and CZ858 rifles back to their previously classifications will be occurring “promptly,” and should be expected some time this summer.

UPDATE: CLARIFICATION OF AUTOMATIC ATT ISSUANCE

We received further word this morning, after asking for clarification of the “upon renewal” portion of the automatic ATT issuance component of C-42, and the direct quote from Minister Blaney’s office is that “The phrase ‘upon renewal’ just means that as long as the person has a license and is in good standing, they are authorized to transport to the approved locations.” In other words, it does not appear to require current RPAL holders renew their license before they will be awarded with automatic ATT.
June 19th, 2015, 08:56 AM
greatwhite

So since an ATT will kinda be implied if you have an RPAL does that mean you can shoot it at a secluded gravel; pit or on your own range?
June 19th, 2015, 09:08 AM
arclight

RCMP bulletin 92 says it will be 9 months before the ATT's are rolled in to the PAL's....
June 19th, 2015, 09:17 AM
Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwhite

So since an ATT will kinda be implied if you have an RPAL does that mean you can shoot it at a secluded gravel; pit or on your own range?

LTATTs were always to a certified range, I doubt that will change, I wish it would but I doubt it.
June 19th, 2015, 09:20 AM
arclight

Update to my post. Looks like the bulletin was removed last night.
June 19th, 2015, 09:27 AM
welsh

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwhite

So since an ATT will kinda be implied if you have an RPAL does that mean you can shoot it at a secluded gravel; pit or on your own range?

No. The blanket ATT applies to transporting the gun for recognized routine reasons (e.g. to the range and back). It does not provide authorization to transport the gun anywhere you like or to shoot it anywhere except at an approved range.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arclight

Update to my post. Looks like the bulletin was removed last night.

Apparently the government moved to force the RCMP to implement the measures in the bill immediately, so my earlier post re the time periods (which was from the RCMP) has been overtaken by events. Normally, you expect there to be a delay with these things, as the new law has to be implemented and people trained on new policies, etc. Not this time ... that's politics for you.
June 19th, 2015, 09:33 AM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by arclight

Update to my post. Looks like the bulletin was removed last night.

It might take a day or two for everyone to get on the same page. I certainly wouldn't worry about any charges being laid.
June 19th, 2015, 10:55 AM
Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by welsh

No. The blanket ATT applies to transporting the gun for recognized routine reasons (e.g. to the range and back). It does not provide authorization to transport the gun anywhere you like or to shoot it anywhere except at an approved range.

Apparently the government moved to force the RCMP to implement the measures in the bill immediately, so my earlier post re the time periods (which was from the RCMP) has been overtaken by events. Normally, you expect there to be a delay with these things, as the new law has to be implemented and people trained on new policies, etc. Not this time ... that's politics for you.

The gunsmith or bringing it back from the store, do those still require short term ATTs?
June 19th, 2015, 11:20 AM
welsh

The blanket ATT covers bringing it home and also to a gunsmith.
June 19th, 2015, 11:44 AM
greatwhite

Last night there was a Bulletin on the RCMP site about C-42. It doesn't seem to be there now.
June 19th, 2015, 12:00 PM
DGearyFTE

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwhite

Last night there was a Bulletin on the RCMP site about C-42. It doesn't seem to be there now.

It appears that the RCMP decided to release the Bulletin based on their timeline that did not correlate to the release by the Public Safety Minister.
Pretty sure they got their fingers smacked again, told to take it down and to release it when there was clear timelines for each of the various changes.
June 19th, 2015, 02:37 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox

LTATTs were always to a certified range, I doubt that will change, I wish it would but I doubt it.

What if the certified range is in AZ? Or anywhere in the US. As long as I have the legally correct paperwork there should be no problems packing for a hunting Holiday and just adding my sidearm to my ATF forms.
I know I am stiring the pot.
June 19th, 2015, 02:43 PM
welsh

It is within your home province.
June 19th, 2015, 03:17 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by welsh

It is within your home province.

So I can not go to inter-provicial matches. Ontario verus Quebec..or National meets?
June 19th, 2015, 07:05 PM
welsh

You would need a separate ATT for that. Because the ATT is approved at the provincial level.

That's my understanding.
June 19th, 2015, 07:38 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by welsh

You would need a separate ATT for that. Because the ATT is approved at the provincial level.

That's my understanding.

Under. C-42 my RPAL is my ATT.
June 19th, 2015, 08:12 PM
welsh

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Under. C-42 my RPAL is my ATT.

The blanket ATT will now be a condition of the RPAL, but it applies only within your home province.

This is the new text of the Firearms Act, with the changes underlined. Note that it applies only in your home province (bold).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firearms Act

19. (1) An individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized to transport a particular prohibited firearm or restricted firearm between two or more specified places for any good and sufficient reason, including, without restricting the generality of the foregoing,
(a) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under specified conditions or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29;
(a.1) to provide instructions in the use of firearms as part of a restricted firearms safety course that is approved by the federal Minister; or
(b) if the individual
(i) changes residence,
(ii) wishes to transport the firearm to a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer for registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code,
(iii) wishes to transport the firearm for repair, storage, sale, exportation or appraisal, or
(iv) wishes to transport the firearm to a gun show.
(1.1) In the case of an authorization to transport issued for a reason referred to in paragraph (1)(a) within the province where the holder of the authorization resides, the specified places must include all shooting clubs and shooting ranges that are approved under section 29 and that are located in that province.
(2) Despite subsection (1), an individual must not be authorized to transport a prohibited firearm, other than a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1), between specified places except for the purposes referred to in paragraph (1)(b).
(2.1) Subject to subsection (2.3), an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms must, if the licence is renewed, be authorized to transport them within the individual’s province of residence
(a) to and from all shooting clubs and shooting ranges that are approved under section 29;
(b) to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located, for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code;
(c) to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;
(d) to and from a gun show; and
(e) to a port of exit in order to take them outside Canada, and from a port of entry.
(2.2) Subject to subsection (2.3), if a chief firearms officer has authorized the transfer of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm to an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, the individual must be authorized
(a) to transport the firearm within the individual’s province of residence from the place where the individual acquires it to the place where they may possess it under section 17; and
(b) to transport their prohibited firearms and restricted firearms within the individual’s province of residence to and from the places referred to in any of paragraphs (2.1)(a) to (e).
(2.3) An individual must not be authorized under subsection (2.1) or (2.2) to transport the following firearms to or from the places referred to in paragraph (2.1)(a):
(a) a prohibited firearm, other than a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1); and
(b) a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) whose transfer was approved, in accordance with subparagraph 28(b)(ii), for the purpose of forming part of a gun collection.

The amendment essentially says that when your RPAL is renewed, the CFO must issue a blanket ATT to transport for routine reasons within your home province.

I have to correct myself on one point: you would be okay to take the gun outside of Canada without needing any additional ATT, because you are authorized to take it to a port of exit/entry within your home province for that purpose. But other provinces clearly require some form of additional authorization, probably in the form of a short-term ATT.

This is pending an order-in-council before it comes into force.
June 19th, 2015, 09:41 PM
Snowwalker

So Yes I can simple add my 44 or 45 to my ATF form and take it with me to hunt in tye US.
Having that option I could for the first time, "HUNT GAME" with my handgun, or AR Style rifle.....:o:cool::):thumbup: