Dog Safety

Is it a reflection of our society or is it just me? We already commented on the Hamilton man that was assaulted/died by the alleged attach of a dog. Last weekend I saw pictures of my nephew who was attacked by a GS and pieces of his arm were found on his shoes. This dog too is in quarantine. (Don't have the details but that's not my point.)
Then, I experience not one but 2 dogs in the same day riding around in the back of a pick-up truck "loose".
So my question is: Is the quarantining of the dogs driven by a movement that has placed dogs at the same level or perhaps higher than that of humans? If so, why is it OK on-the-other-hand, to have dogs riding loose in pick-ups or loose within a vehicle or on the lap of the driver? Accidents, by definition, are not something we plan so..............I'm confused!?!?!?!

I'm not sure Ugo, but God forbid you feed them Beneful.

Sorry to hear about your nephew.

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Originally Posted by Ugo

So my question is: Is the quarantining of the dogs driven by a movement that has placed dogs at the same level or perhaps higher than that of humans?

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I'm not really sure what your driving at Ugo...that we quarantine a dog that has attacked someone until a decision is rendered as to what will happen to it....or that we allow owners to put their dog in danger.

Are they related issues ?

I hope your nephew is going to be ok.

I will never understand the thought process of people who drive around with their dogs in the back of an open truck. I was on the QEW last year and a pick up passed me with a golden free riding in the back to top it off this was a Goose patrol company truck. I sped up took the phone number that was on the door and called the company to see if this was common practice.
after 10 minutes of conversation (a lot of this was not so polite)I think the owner got my point. offered to come and show him proper dog containment in moving vehicle.

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

I'm not sure Ugo, but God forbid you feed them Beneful.

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That went over my head, whats wrong with Beneful?

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Originally Posted by Ugo

Last weekend I saw pictures of my nephew who was attacked by a GS and pieces of his arm were found on his shoes.

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Sorry to hear about that, I know how it feels to be bitten.

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Originally Posted by Marker

That went over my head, whats wrong with Beneful?

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It is made by Purina, which is owned by Lord Voldemort and run, day to day, by Darth Vader.

Anyway, I was walking the dog the other day and passed a guy down the street who was trying to get his German shepherd into his pickup truck. Two kids in the bed going for a ride and he wanted the dog to join them. The dog wasn't having any, no way, no how. Scared of the truck and didn't want to get in the back. So he tried lifting it in. The dog starts yelping and whining as he's lifting it in and he's saying, "I'm not hurting you, don't be a baby," etc. Clearly hadn't considered what happens when he puts the truck in gear and it starts moving: the dog's likely going to jump out into traffic. Luckily, he gave up.

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Originally Posted by Marker

That went over my head, whats wrong with Beneful?

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Welsh nailed it.

But when the rads in their spaceships run low they'll have plenty of anti-freeze.

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Welsh nailed it.

But when the rads in their spaceships run low they'll have plenty of anti-freeze.

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A quick search on the 'net revealed some issues back in 2006, I was given about 100lbs of beneful so am I to understand it should not be used? Maybe someone needs some bear bait?

Honestly, I noticed that I started talking to my dog in certain public places when people are around. Stuff the dog will not understand - and I have a full appreciation of the fact that my dog will not understand a single thing I say (other than the tone of my voice).
I live in suburbia and a lot of people there lost any connection to the real world. I guess if you are too long among them, you start to fit in better and better as time goes by.
Well, a dog might have the intellectual capabilities of a six month old when it comes to understanding sentences, rationals and verbally implied threats, but it's not a baby when it comes to a lot of other things...
So yes, people have no idea about how to deal with their dogs - to the point where they look at you strange if you don't do the baby talk.
However, I don't think that this is anything new. The only change one could see is that dogs don't get routinely beaten up and yelled at for no good reason, but now "mommy" gives them a serious talk when one little rat doesn't want to play with the other.

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Originally Posted by Marker

A quick search on the 'net revealed some issues back in 2006, I was given about 100lbs of beneful so am I to understand it should not be used? Maybe someone needs some bear bait?

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That's up to you, but I wouldn't even feed it to the bears.

Best wishes for your nephew's full recovery. I suspect that in the types of cases that make the news, dogs are quarantined because they are considered property and governed by property law...or perhaps health laws, so it is an issue of due process. Also, some people have a difficult time making the judgment to put down a "family member" even tho it may be the right thing to do...quarantine gives the owners time to get over the shock, particularly if the attack was completely out of pattern. As to dogs riding in a back of a pickup truck or untethered in a vehicle with wide open windows...in the US some states are attempting to ban the practice.

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Originally Posted by spinster

...in the US some states are attempting to ban the practice.

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not the same states that let bikers ride with NO helmuts...LOL..

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Originally Posted by MikePal

not the same states that let bikers ride with NO helmuts...LOL..

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Or so you'd think. I saw bikers in Nevada with no helmets but apparently NV requires dogs in pickup beds to be tethered..lol

Restraint Laws
At least eight states have laws requiring owners to kennel or tether dogs or other animals that ride in a vehicle's open areas, usually a truck bed, according to the Connecticut General Assembly. As of 2009, states with restraint laws include Connecticut, California, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Nevada, Washington, Oregon and Rhode Island. Fines range from $50 to $200.

https://www.change.org/p/careless-do...-beds-uncrated

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Originally Posted by Ugo

Is it a reflection of our society or is it just me? We already commented on the Hamilton man that was assaulted/died by the alleged attach of a dog. Last weekend I saw pictures of my nephew who was attacked by a GS and pieces of his arm were found on his shoes. This dog too is in quarantine. (Don't have the details but that's not my point.)
Then, I experience not one but 2 dogs in the same day riding around in the back of a pick-up truck "loose".
So my question is: Is the quarantining of the dogs driven by a movement that has placed dogs at the same level or perhaps higher than that of humans? If so, why is it OK on-the-other-hand, to have dogs riding loose in pick-ups or loose within a vehicle or on the lap of the driver? Accidents, by definition, are not something we plan so..............I'm confused!?!?!?!

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I think I see the conflicting positions of which you are speaking . In one case, we do everything possible to save an animal( quarantine), and on the other hand animals are treated so poorly as to make an imminent death possible.

That humans for you. No fast rules when it comes to how we do or don't value an animal ( or a baby for that matter).

http://www.lfpress.com/2015/07/24/lo...-for-two-weeks

You and I , I believe , consider a dog an animal - to be enjoyed and treated kindly. However, puttiing down a dog who has shown itself to be a risk , is something we are fully prepared to do.

Very sorry to hear about your nephew. That dog wouldn't be in quarantine if it was my dog - or yours I would bet.


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Even when you think you have considered every possible safety net required......

Tessa almost hung herself the other night. Who thinks to take the collar off when you crate a dog? After thrashing around to get comfortable, as she does, her collar got caught up on the crate bars. If it wasn't for the JRT making a racket.............

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Welsh nailed it.

But when the rads in their spaceships run low they'll have plenty of anti-freeze.

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Would it surprise you to know that you have been ingesting Glycol in your medications and some of the foods you are eating !

1.1 What is propylene glycol?

Propylene glycol is a synthetic liquid substance that absorbs water. Propylene glycol is also used to make polyester compounds, and as a base for deicing solutions. Propylene glycol is used by the chemical, food, and pharmaceutical industries as an antifreeze when leakage might lead to contact with food. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as an additive that is "generally recognized as safe" for use in food. It is used to absorb extra water and maintain moisture in certain medicines, cosmetics, or food products. It is a solvent for food colors and flavors, and in the paint and plastics industries. Propylene glycol is also used to create artificial smoke or fog used in fire-fighting training and in theatrical productions. Other names for propylene glycol are 1,2-dihydroxypropane, 1,2-propanediol, methyl glycol, and trimethyl glycol.
Propylene glycol is clear, colorless, slightly syrupy liquid at room temperature. It may exist in air in the vapor form, although propylene glycol must be heated or briskly shaken to produce a vapor. Propylene glycol is practically odorless and tasteless.

Link;http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=1120&tid=240

This is not the ethylene glycol used in antifreeze!

Could we stick to the thread topic gentlemen please?

Ugo, best wishes to your nephew. Sharon, I am glad your b1tch is OK. I never leave dogs with collars unattended and I always worry if they go swimming with a collar, I am usually fully prepared to jump in to get the dog untangled (which I have done a week ago - fishing line).
Re how we treat dogs. 'you can't fix stupid' - some people do stupid (and dangerous) things with their dogs and in general. It doesn't matter much if there are rules in places. I am a believer in common sense and individual responsibility, not 'nanny state'. But what do I know, I am a bloody foreigner ;)
E.g. just a few days ago few teenagers started bonfire in pine tree stand in my subdivision. 30+ heat, everything bone dry, pine burns pretty well. A fire like that can spread in minutes and burn not just the woods, but the houses (and people) too.
Illegal - you bet, but most importantly - extremely stupid. And this is supposed to be good neighborhood.

Ugo, speedy recovery to your nephew and trust long term fears of dogs will be avoided.

Stupidity of humans in not understanding the proper care of animals. We see supposedly clever political legislator's being duked into passing laws originating from ill-informed anti activists on the use of e-collars, prong collars, docking of tails, and other animal welfare. We see children, pets left in automobiles in 30 degree weather I can for see in the future insurance companies after dealing with law suites asking a premium from owners of dogs. That will also come with legislation that owners of dogs MUST pass a licencing program on the care of a dog. Sorry folks, we can not fix stupid so legislation will educate stupid hopefully, or prohibit stupid from acquiring pets.

Dick

Ugo speedy recovery to your nephew. I gave up a long time ago trying to inform why it's unsafe to put a dog or dogs in the back of a pick-up tethered or not tethered. These people are in my opinion experience are not reasonable and lack common sense. Best not to approach them because it could explode into a violent confrontation.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Would it surprise you to know that you have been ingesting Glycol in your medications and some of the foods you are eating !

1.1 What is propylene glycol?

Propylene glycol is a synthetic liquid substance that absorbs water. Propylene glycol is also used to make polyester compounds, and as a base for deicing solutions. Propylene glycol is used by the chemical, food, and pharmaceutical industries as an antifreeze when leakage might lead to contact with food. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as an additive that is "generally recognized as safe" for use in food. It is used to absorb extra water and maintain moisture in certain medicines, cosmetics, or food products. It is a solvent for food colors and flavors, and in the paint and plastics industries. Propylene glycol is also used to create artificial smoke or fog used in fire-fighting training and in theatrical productions. Other names for propylene glycol are 1,2-dihydroxypropane, 1,2-propanediol, methyl glycol, and trimethyl glycol.
Propylene glycol is clear, colorless, slightly syrupy liquid at room temperature. It may exist in air in the vapor form, although propylene glycol must be heated or briskly shaken to produce a vapor. Propylene glycol is practically odorless and tasteless.

Link;http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=1120&tid=240

This is not the ethylene glycol used in antifreeze!

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It's also used in the manufacturing process of most computer keyboards.

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Originally Posted by yellow dog

It's also used in the manufacturing process of most computer keyboards.

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It is already explained by the statement above, "and by the paint and plastics industries".

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Originally Posted by Sharon

Could we stick to the thread topic gentlemen please?

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How many times have you pulled a topic off from it's original discussion?

Imo, feeding your dog anti freeze has to do with "dog safety" like the title of this thread is titled. It may be a little off but in the grand scheme of things, who really cares? My first post was more meant as a little comic relief.
Whatever.

I was joking as well when I made the comment about glycol being used in the manufacturing process of computer keyboards. I was hoping he would stop using his keyboard! lol

Appears a Michigan couple got 15 years as owners of a dog that killed a jogger - after 2 prior attacks on folk.

You can't be too safe I guess. ( sarcasm).
I was out front watering the garden yesterday when a lady and dog came along the sidewalk in the sweltering heat. The dog was obviously in need of water. I offered a drink from the hose ; the lady said , "Oh no! he only drinks bottled water." :whacked:

I held my tongue.

You should have said, "Hang on, I'll see if I can find one." :)

Dear lord! Only bottled water! I don't even want to know sometimes what my dog is getting into when out for a hike in the bush, never mind ensuring he would get bottled water, pshh. Dogs sniff butts, lick thier arses and privates, won't hesitate to eat shiiit of all kinds....but she wouldn't let it drink from a hose? Summer as a kid was all about slurping hose water!

You should have taken a drink from the hose in front of her Sharon. Mmmm :)