Here we go again....
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015...r-caledon.html
Cheers,
Mark
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Here we go again....
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015...r-caledon.html
Cheers,
Mark
Funny in the reading I've done if you see one there are likely a hundred....
Lets hope that is not the case.
Friends in Georgia tell me that when you see "a few",rest well assured that there's a he** of a lot more than that. It won't be long before they start popping up all over the place.
Is it wrong that i'm kind of excited about thisQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Anybody hear of Wild Boar in the Renfrew area..I was talking with a local up there and he says they are getting bad up that way....first I had heard of it out here.
I don't think so...unless you're a farmer and don't mind having your pastures and crops torn to crap or horse ranches where the horses can be chased and bitten. OMNRF is not pleased with the prospect and,officially,they're being very tight lipped about it,so far,except for instances where they need to advise landowners. Apparently,we can shoot them on sight as long as we're following the usual rules of property access/trespassing,safety etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Gunner
I've had smoked bacon and chops from Wild Boar (Pennsylvania) and it's got to be the absolute best wild game meat on the planet.
Your not the only one!! But if its true, anf]d there is a lot not just a few, I really hope we can get a handle on it before its too late!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Gunner
If this actually turns out to be "a thing",look for the government to slap a season on them and require tags and licenses. They'll never miss an opportunity to "cash in",not that they don't need the money or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyObsessed
This is the first that I have heard of themQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Well if they multiply like crazy the farmers may be a little freer at giving access to hunt their property.
I foresee a new thread "What's the best rifle for wild boar..."
Nor do you miss an opportunity to bring politics into every thread. Why not keep it in the off topic section where it belongs? Should not have to read your opinions on politics in every section and every thread. In this case Hunting 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
My 15 year old son dropped a 260 pound boar in its tracks in Texas last March. He was using a .308 firing 165 grain accubonds. Broke both shoulders and exited.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
Great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
458 socom....Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
45-70/90
30-06
303 british
308
7mm
There,fixed it. Feel better,now?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Because he is still talking about Hunting.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
And... 375 Winchester
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Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Can't fault a fella for being leary and skeptical about what new ""revenue tool"she will think of next!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
No matter what gov. is in power, do you not think that we will have to have a licence to hunt any new game available? To say that hunting licences are a Liberal thing, is stretching it more than a little bit.
Right now you do not need a license to hunt any wild Hogs. Officially stated by the MNR if you see a wild Hog Shoot to Kill.
So Trimmer stating that he see's the Ontario Government trying to capitalize4 on this is fair and I think many would agree with him.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Would you a least need a small game licence to hunt hogs? If no hunting licence , I don't know for sure, but I think it would be the only creature in Ontario you can shoot without any licence at all. Think about that scenario, people walking around in game filled areas, with loaded guns, without any hunting licence, (not target shooting), saying they are hunting hogs. How would that play out in court?
A small game license is the general license to determine that the safety courses were done and therefore a small game license is required.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Thanks, that is what I thought, Post # 21 is a little misleading.
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
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Originally Posted by Fox
Pulled this MNRF position from another thread;Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
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Originally Posted by shuz
Species, I enjoyed reading about your trip south in the spring - I've read somewhere that the hogs have a large plate-like bone in the shoulder area that makes penetration to the vitals a little challenging - what did you find when butchering the ones you dropped ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
how about a .243 with 100 grain bullet ? friend of mine and I were talking about a trip south sometime in the future, he was thinking his .223 would do the trick but I think it would be a bit light
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Since Wild Boars are not 'wildlife' the MNRF will not be profit from any revenue. So Ont would likely do as MB decided to handle them like MB did;Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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In Manitoba, wild boar are private property like traditional livestock breeds and, under The Animal Liability Act can only be destroyed if injuring or attacking livestock. Since they are not native to Manitoba and not the property of the Crown, listing wild boar under The Wildlife Act eliminated the use of hunting seasons to control those found running at large. Due to concern for public safety and the protection of wildlife, wildlife habitat and public or private property, the Exotic Animals Regulation was recently amended to allow Manitoba residents to kill escaped wild boar.
http://www.ofah.org/2014/09/mnrf-aut...scott-russell/
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
It says " if owners of escaped wild boars cannot be determined", does that mean you have to ask around before you shoot them ,or that the owners have to put up missing wild boar signs?
fishermccann
You are correct you do need to posses a small game license.
(I have no problem admitting when I am incorrect)
awww guys, let's remember, they look innocent enough at first, but regardless of political colour, they're all HOGS AT THE TROUGH in the end !! :)
from GW's link ...Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
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MNRF staff persons have been unable to determine the owner of these animals. As a result, the MNRF is authorizing landowners and hunters to kill any wild boars sighted as per Section 54 (5) of the FWCA.
Hi species. Just curious as to whether or not you got to eat any of the meat. If you did, how was it? Thanks. JQuote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
The biggest problem I can see with hunters trying to shoot hogs in Southern ontario is the calibre limits placed on them..
The smallest calibre I would want to hunt them with is a 7mm. Now I know lots of small hogs are taken with head shots by people( kids ) with .223's. But if you have to depend on only headshots that makes things harder. With larger hogs calibres below 7mm can bounce off the head ( mostly frontial and higher on the sides).
270 win or 280 Remington should be fine. Anything that can be used for Moose / bear etc should be good to go.
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Originally Posted by Snowwalker
You cannot use anything bigger than 270 for hunting small game, I would think that eradicating a boar that is on your property does not become part of small game hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
I know what you mean though, a 12ga slug would do just fine on one though and most people in SW Ontario who have to deal with the caliber restrictions are in areas that are shotgun only for deer so they are generally good to go.
According to my BILand nephew (WNY and Georgia) you're right about the .270Win. It seems it's the go-to for long range which is required a lot in hunting open fields. Boars have good eyesight and keen hearing and smell,especially if they've been shot at recently and can hear a truck door close a quarter of a mile away or pick out human scent from a rancid hog wallow. They are exceedingly intelligent. A .270Win kills 'em dead and would be ideal for southern Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
The shield on the hogs we took was very similar to cartilage. On the 260 pound beast it was almost 3/4 of an inch thick. Talking to the guides in Texas a .243 would work but bullet construction is very important. So a for instance a 100 grain SST would not be the best choice but a 100 grain partition or similar tough bonded bullet (we were using accubonds) would be a better choice. The .223 would not be something I would use on cross body vitals shot. Anyone we met using .223s was taking neck or head shots exclusively.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
Eaten a fair bit of it. The bacon was better than your average store bought. The ribs are average and the roasts and chops all need to be marinated for a day or two or they are tough. Flavour was similar to pork but with a gamey twist but still very good (IMO).Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerjohn
I am not so sure trimmer was 100 % serious,maybe yes,maybe no?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
And I was just kind of making a light hearted comment.
And you are correct in stating licences are not just a Liberal thing. I was not thinking that ,nor did I mean to imply that.
It was just kind of an off hand comment that "she" seems to have an abundance of ideas for "revenue tools",A.K.A. "taxes".
I am quite sure she would impose a bed room tax, every time we use our beds for somthing other than sleeping,if she could figure out the logistics of it. SARCASM,but you get my drift?
Finally,someone "gets it." LOL That's why I amended my post. You can't blame our Liberal friends for being a little more sensitive these days,right?Quote:
Originally Posted by bushman
They use .223 for the pig chopper hunts in the US. They certainly arent making headshots from a chopper all the time and they kill them quite easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Well, I hope the Ministry protects the wild boars. I haven't heard of a cougar sighting in a few months, so I was getting worried that maybe the vewy, vewy, ware and elusive eastern cougar population was in trouble. By protecting the boars the poor cats will have something to eat.;)
I shot an escapee a number of years ago on my wife's parents farm 165 lbs. at 145 yards with a .243 , AN 85 GRAIN HPBT SIERRA BULLET. one shot in the forehead dead instantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
It was an opportunity shot as I was calling coyotes when it came into view , and it was "delicious".
Hunting from a chopper with a .223 is very different than hunting on the ground with a .223. The guns are sometimes full auto and at the minimum semi-auto with 30 round or bigger magazines. This allows for multiple hits and makes chasing the hog for follow up shots very easy. Virtually every video I've seen shows multiple hits on the hogs when hunting from a chopper - not something that would happen on the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
To put it in perspective would you take a 100 or 200 yard shot on a bear with a .223? That's about what it boils down to as the hogs though generally smaller than a bear can be the same size and actually have better protection with shields and hides than top 1.5 inches thick.
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/site...20(singed).JPG
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Originally Posted by Big Gunner
Most of the guys are but only because it gives an idea of a "any time,big game hunting" since rifle season in southern Ontario for deer is about 5-6 days long. However wild hogs are bad for rest of the species because of their abnormal reproductive rate and being extremly vary animal to hunt. Also rules and regulations that dont allow night hunting which is their only prime time for feeding and moving around...
You sure they are not using a larger calibre on an AR platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
They some times use full autos too. Not saying they are not just that there are alot of bigger calibres uppers you can put on your AR.
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Originally Posted by jaycee
I said "can". Hit one in the head with a six pound maul once, and it still ran off and died only after being shot with a shotgun slug. I am not thor..but that hammer had to do more then brush the mud off.
I Guess you will have to explain to my buddy that hunts them in the U.S. with a .44 spl. handgun [revolver] with a scope, that something else is killing them as his .44 spl. just does not have the power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
He takes mainly head shots shooting from a tree stand usually at around 50 -60 yards. and has been doing it for years.
Right on trimmer!! And I expect it's only going to get worse!!Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Any deer rifle will be fine. Small game license required unless YOU are the landowner, then it is protection of property.
Shoot to kill! :)
Not sure what your strawman rant is about, but it's your keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
But as I was saying pigs are tough little things..
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
If they're as bad as our American friends say, the ministry should be paying us to shoot them.
The wolves will be are friends in this battle if they do get our of control... I know in Europe that wild boar are predated by wolves regularly.
Your right...or at least the Township, they pay farmers for loss of livestock due to coyote's....they may be willing to put up a bounty for Wild Boar that are causing farm losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splaker
This looks really bad to the tree huggers though, bounty ideas don't seem to do well in Ontario, even big buck contests are becoming an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I'd tend to agree with Jaycee - I've not hunted hogs, but when I was in high school, I killed a ton of them at the slaughterhouse I worked at, including some several hundred pound sows. They die pretty quick and we were using .22 long head shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
My guess, from a hunters perspective, where "cast iron hog" impression comes from is people trying head or neck shots. The brain is far better protected by the skull than a deer's, and the neck, large as it is, makes it harder to hit the spinal column or arteries. As far as a hogs anatomy better protecting the boiler-room vitals - I'm not buying into that.
Here is a nice picture of the anatomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
http://www.fineshootingaccessories.c.../02/Boarbk.jpg
I would assume that if you did not hit the shoulder blade anything you would use on a deer should be fine. The fat content could potentially plug up the entrance and exit hole but I doubt much more than a fat, late season deer.
I am in agreement with you , I am also very familiar with what a .22 cal. will do to a pig with either a head on or side head shot , "instant lights out " my parents raised pigs and that is how they were killed .Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Don't forget that these escapees are not the actual "European Wild Boar " that is much tougher , these as said are escapees and at most two generations away from being domestic, they may look very much alike but are not, what they are , [feral hogs ] domestic pigs/hogs that have gotten lose themselves[escaped ] or have intentionally been released for some reason or other .
I have only killed one , an escapee at 165 lbs, though it looked like a "wild boar " it was not and went down with one shot from my varmint rifle a .243 shooting a 85 grn. HPBT Sierra bullet , again a head shot between the eyes "lights out ".
I have friends that go to Texas every year and they love the large calibre head shots .300 win mag, .338, .375h&h
Dan
My in-laws that hunt in PA use .270 and .308. The others in GA and Ala. use the same. They say the vitals are covered by thick hide and muscle that smaller calibers have trouble punching through,especially,if the animals are larger and heavier. Practise on running targets is also important because those things can run like deer.
I'll second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Friends in Texas use 30 calibre minimum. One guy I know uses 45-70 Gov. Says he had a situation with a .30-06 that just didn't do the job one time. Had one pi$$ed off hog to contend with. Mind you these guys go for the grandaddies of hogs 400 lbs and up.
Question here is , where did he hit it ? many have said that they have hit their game in the vitals only to have to follow up with multiple finishing shots , then when examined closely their first shots were way off the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
Domestic pigs do not have the same shield protecting their vitals. Feral/wild hogs depending on their genetics can have a shield that is up to 2 inches thick and is similar in consistency to cartilage.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
https://www.extension.org/sites/defa...Figure%202.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...sshield062.jpg
Not sure. This was some time ago. I do know that they're fast critters. He could have hit it anywhere but the kill zone. If it was the area I think they were pegging them around 150 yards. I'll be going over the winter and if I see him I'll ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
If a 30/06 (with a proper bullet) didn't do the job I'd be inclined to put the blame on poor shooting . --- I've killed hogs (in Florida) with 12 ga. slugs . ---Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
Forgive me for being so stupid. ..I guess putting a .22 a couple inches from the sweet spot on the forehead of hog is the same as trying to hit that same spot at a hundred yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Next time I am hog hunting, guess I should just walk up to it and kill it with my .22, and all this time hunters have been trying to shoot them with large calibres.
A small hog. Nice shot no question about it. But do you want to come to Florida or Arkansas with me and hunt them?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
ANYTIME ! I'll take the smaller under 200 lb. ones as I want good meat , once they are over 200 lbs. they develop more fat and gristle. I'll leave those big ones for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
We only use two sticks and a string....some times we forget one of the sticks and the string. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-zCwBjCQqpY/maxresdefault.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
http://cdn.wideopenspaces.com/wp-con...ge-620x330.jpg
Only thing you would have to ride around in the truck, and they have not dispatched me there for awhile.
Is that northern javelin practice snow? How in the heck did I miss that?
He is is using a traditional boar spear.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerjohn
Chasing them with dogs and killing with the spear.
http://www.coldsteel.com/Product/95B...OAR_SPEAR.aspx
here is where you get one..
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/1974/cold-steel-boar-spear
This is what you do with it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zCwBjCQqpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeii7r_ySiA
That has got to be an adrenaline rush like no other. That is amazing.
Just remember "PUSH...PUSH...PPPPUUUUSSSSHHHHH. Don't run away or the pig will hit you in the back of the legs..and any other "soft" spots it can find.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerjohn
You don't want this guy on the spear..:mad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJwkGx2XZSU
When "receiving" a charge the words of pink Floyd come to mind...
"STAND STILL LADDIE"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul2fM_tS0BU
A minor correction if I may - a small game license is not the licence that determines that the safety course was done. A hunting version of the Outdoors Card (H1, H2) is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Though I agree that the MNR response states that a small game license is required for HUNTERS wanting to go after wild Boar, I believe that this may only apply to public property, but not be required on your own property, or if acting as a 'class agent' on anothers' property. My reading of the law is that you could kill wild boar, for protection of property, with only an HI outdoors card with the permission of a landowner and acting as his/her agent. And I think killing boar under almost any circumstance could and should be interpreted as protection of property.
But full disclosure, I am not a lawyer.
See 132 (5) of the Act below.
132. (1) The following classes of agents are prescribed for the purposes of subsection 31 (2) of the Act: 1. Trappers licensed under Ontario Regulation 667/98 (Trapping).
2. Employees or agents of a member of the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals under the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act.
3. Members of a landowner’s immediate family acting on behalf of the landowner on the landowner’s own land.
4. Persons whose business is primarily the business of removing nuisance wildlife if they harass wildlife or if they capture and release it if it is capable of being released.
5. Employees or agents of a municipality whose responsibilities relate to wildlife control.
6. Persons who hold a valid class H1 outdoors card issued under this Regulation, for purposes of killing or harassing the wildlife but not capturing it. O. Reg. 665/98, s. 132 (1); O. Reg. 171/13, s. 7.
A whole lot of nothing. Although a valid H1 all that is required to get that H1 you need to show either certificate of completion of a hunter safety course or the equivalent hunting permit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larson
"A whole lot of nothing" - uh, I beg to differ. The point is #1) a small game license is not the document that determines that a safety course was done - the proof is your H1 or H2. and #2) There are likely circumstances on private property that do not require a small game license to kill wild boar.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Okay what do you need to show to get a valid H1 card?
Not a small game license. Have a nice day.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
I used an old hunting license..my win card, and my FAC.
To get a small game licence you need a outdoors card. To get your outdoors card you have to had taken the hunters safety course and register it with service ontario. You cannot just walk in and buy a small game licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larson
OK. Is this a game of broken telephone, or what? All I'm saying is that your H1/H2 Outdoors Card is proof you passed a course, not a small game licence. You can legally hunt your whole life with just an H1/H2, … no small game license is required, as long as you only hunt big game and buy the corresponding licence (deer, moose, bear etc.). And if you are acting as a "class agent" in protection of property, the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act appears to say that you can kill boar without a small game licence, just your H1 outdoors card. The Act also appears to say that on your own land, you or an immediate relative can kill boar in protection of your property with no H1 or license.Quote:
Originally Posted by XshaneX
The note from the MNR on boar hunting seems to indicates that you need a small game license, unless you are acting as an agent. To my interpretation this means you need a mall game licence only if you are hunting on public land, or someone else's land that doesn't consider that their property needs protection from Wild Boar. But I can't imagine that anyone would think that they don't need to protect their property from an invasive, destructive, fast reproducing species like wild boar.
For a hunter to act as an agent in Ontario, you must possess a valid small game license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larson
No you don't. You just have to qualify to be able to buy a hunting license. Have the hunter ed certificate or the H1 or H2 card as mentioned above.Quote:
For a hunter to act as an agent in Ontario, you must possess a valid small game license.
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31. (1) If a person believes on reasonable grounds that wildlife is damaging or is about to damage the person’s property, the person may, on the person’s land, (a) harass the wildlife for the purpose of deterring it from damaging the person’s property; or
(b) capture or kill the wildlife. 1997, c. 41, s. 31 (1).
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Requirement for hunting or trapping licence
6. (1) Except under the authority of a licence and in accordance with the regulations, a person shall not hunt or trap,
(a) big game;
(b) a game mammal that is not referred to in clause (a);
(c) a game bird;
(d) a furbearing mammal;
(e) a game reptile;
(f) a game amphibian;
(g) a bird referred to in subsection 5 (2); or
(h) wildlife that is not referred to in clauses (a) to (g), the hunting of which is not prohibited by section 5. 1997, c. 41, s. 6 (1); 2009, c. 33, Sched. 22, s. 2 (7).
Below is the section of the regs made under the Act that deals with agents for protection of propertyQuote:
(6) Sections 5 and 6, clauses 11 (1) (a) to (d), section 27 and such other provisions of this Act and the regulations as are prescribed by the regulations do not apply to a person who harasses, captures or kills wildlife under this section. 1997, c. 41, s. 31 (6).
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132. (1) The following classes of agents are prescribed for the purposes of subsection 31 (2) of the Act:
1. Trappers licensed under Ontario Regulation 667/98 (Trapping).
2. Employees or agents of a member of the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals under the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act.
3. Members of a landowner’s immediate family acting on behalf of the landowner on the landowner’s own land.
4. Persons whose business is primarily the business of removing nuisance wildlife if they harass wildlife or if they capture and release it if it is capable of being released.
5. Employees or agents of a municipality whose responsibilities relate to wildlife control.
6. Persons who hold a valid class H1 outdoors card issued under this Regulation, for purposes of killing or harassing the wildlife but not capturing it. O. Reg. 665/98, s. 132 (1); O. Reg. 171/13, s. 7.
(2) An agent described in paragraph 2 or 3 of subsection (1) who is using a firearm must have the qualifications necessary to obtain an outdoors card under subsection 4 (2). O. Reg. 665/98, s. 132 (2).
well whoever is up for tracking/hunting wild boar in simcoe/york/scugog region you can pm me.
I personally spoke with a Conservation Officer in Aurora, ON detachment. You are required to posses small game license to hunt wild boars in Ontario, there is no official season on them; hence they are open all year. An unwelcome invasive species, already a nuisance out west.
if you are going to hunt them then yes you would need a license I suspect. If taking them on private property as a landowner or and agent of the landowner....no.