9 guns stolen from a home in Brampton as well as a car ,, ....thy arrested one guy in a stolen car and found gun cases after this thy went to a home and made a dozen more arrests ,,..be carful folks you just never know ,,,ctv news ,,Dutch
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9 guns stolen from a home in Brampton as well as a car ,, ....thy arrested one guy in a stolen car and found gun cases after this thy went to a home and made a dozen more arrests ,,..be carful folks you just never know ,,,ctv news ,,Dutch
This happened about 2 blocks from my home! The news said all the guns,long guns and handguns were legally owned and locked up..one has to wonder if they were legally locked up how did the b&e dorks get them....all my firearms are in a safe which in turn is bolted to the floor so anyone would have to spend hours trying to get it open...just saying.
A stack on cabinet is legaly locked.. a trigger lock in your cupboard is legally "locked up" (non restricted) what's your point?
I was specifically referring to the handguns that were stolen.....handguns need to be trigger locked and in a locked cabinet....that's my point...have to wonder how well secured they were?
Those Mickey Mouse Stackon cabinets take about 5 minutes to peel open. They won't prevent a thief from getting at your guns.
Very few cabinets will stop a thief, they just slow them down. Even some of the vaults are not very good for keeping people out.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
safes you can buy in department stores can be opened in a few minutes with the proper tools. and if you were able to haul it in with a buddy, they will just as easily carry it out. screwing it in with drywall anchors or into a stud won't hinder anyone who knows what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
another reason why I think the current requirements for storing firearms are sufficient: they prevent your children from playing around and deter the pickpockets
Safe storage regs was never about preventing theft of firearms. It was about preventing access by those who shouldn't for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
I still think the best security is to have your gun cabinet in plain view with a sporterized enfield, old Lakefield 12ga pump, cooey 22 single shot and maybe a single break action.
Then you should have a false wall with your gun safe buried in there. People will break in and steal all of your guns but only the ones they can find.
I do keep one stack on safe in full view in the tv room in the basement with some stuff in it like cameras and other oddes and ends that I like to keep locked up but would not be looses a ton if thy got away with the safe .my good guns are all stored in a safe out of sight were thy would have to spend a day looking to mayby find it ,,I am a believer in the decoy idea ,,give then something to take and thy will take it and leave ,,,,Dutch
Dont put all the 'Stack-On' in the same boat.
I have both a standard Stack On and an Elite Stack On Vault from Canadian Tire. At 500lbs pounds empty and triple rod door lock, it would take more than a few minutes to either get it out of the house or get to its content.
Best affordable safe I could find.
Have a 900 lb ( empty ) fire rated safe down stair's No one is getting in let alone walking off with it. I'd be more upset if they scratched it trying to?
Homack 8-gun steel cabinet for me,stashed in a closet and fastened to the wall so it can't tip forward. I don't think I need anything elaborate,just enough to discourage the younguns from getting foolish ideas. Besides,they know if they ever did,they wouldn't be able to sit down for a day or two.
No 500 lb safe for me - got guns laying all over the house - some loaded - no one would dare come to my house to steal anything - its called suicide - if a crook wants a gun bad enough there are a lot safer ways of getting one - boy it sounds like they got you gun owners really nailed to the wall - remember the old saying - if for security you give up liberty, you end up with neither -
Leaving loaded guns all over the house has gotten a lot of people accidently killed that should be still walking this Earth,90% of whom are innocent children. That's why it is one of the main cornerstones of all our firearms regulations that all firearms MUST be secured without exception and as a condition of ownership. Is it really that bad down there that a citizen must expect a home invasion attack every waking minute to the point you feel it necessary to have loaded guns in every room of the house at the ready at all times? Jeezus Murphy,what a way to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Okay where does this come from....nowhere in any report does it say that these firearms were loaded and left laying around...all reports I have read indicate that these firearms were 'legally' locked up...in my humble opinion, a restricted firearm should be trigger locked and locked in a proper safe, not a locked cabinet which can be easily accessed with a few common tools...I do have long guns locked in a 'gun' cabinet and they are all trigger locked and my handguns are all trigger locked in a proper safe that would take 3 -4 people to remove from my residence and god knows who long it would take them to break into the safe, that is of course, if they even got it out of my residence as it is fully secured to the floor and walls....just saying...............
I'm really not advocating to have a loaded gun in every room, but I had a friend whose father always had his hunting rifle loaded hanging on the wall. That was long before there were any rules (and this was more or less the standard practice). The interesting part is that his father owned a pub (of the worst kind) and the rifle was accessible to absolutely everyone. There was rarely a night without a serious bar fight.
Nobody (back then) would even have considered touching the rifle. Many been in the war and they understood what it meant to kill somebody.
If I had young kids around I would make sure they didn't get a hold of them - a small safe with a combination would do - but inside would be a loaded gun - so I grab it if needed - you don't realize how many people save themselves from harm by being able to grab a gun - yes things are pretty bad especially in the big cities - these places are almost like war zones -
They estimate that there are over 300 million guns owned by people in the U.S. - most are good people but not all - the situation is such that you can't take away people's guns because there are so many and there is no way of taking them away from criminals - so we live with this fact - and we arm ourselves just in case -
More and more people are getting permits to carry because of the crime - especially women - it is sad that it is that way but what are you going to do - as I already mentioned we Americans are in love with guns - its in our blood - most of our movie heroes were gun slingers - heck every kid thought they were John Wayne at one time or another - shooting up a storm -
People that are not familiar with guns have a certain fear of them but you got to remember that a lot of guys served in the military at one time or another - many are hunters - so having a gun around the house is no big deal -
Theres a guy on CGN whos house was broken into and the stack-on stopped a thief. He posted pics and all of the attempted robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
3 or 4 people to move it? Helped a buddy move a couple of weeks back, took 5 of us to move it, and that was with the door removed! A couple of guys just to move the door with a dolly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brampton Mike
We're talking America,here,BM because that's where JoePa lives. Stats are readily found on both The Brady Center and The FBI websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brampton Mike
If a large size safe is what works for you,I have no issue except it seems a little like overkill to me,buty,hey,whatever floats your boat. Along with my cabinet,we have a monitored alarm system wired directly to both the alarm company and the Police. The crooks might get in,but,they'll come out looking down the business end of a Sig.
On a side note, I had three over the years. #1 I got a great deal on (refurbished massive safe, originally used by a company who cashed out employees). Needed a crane to lower it into the basement, key too long to carry it with me and better not get you fingers in when you got the door moving... #2 small safe (used to move frequently); you better bolt it to the wall (not for security), but your personal safety when you open the door #3 good heavy size with key lock - wait for it when the battery dies...
To all of those in favour of safes, if you think that's the best for you fine with me.
However, be careful what you wish for: If we get an anti-gun government, they need to act in some stupid way or another. Coming up with additional requirements for storage would be one of them. A requirement for a safe is the last thing anyone needs: First, a safe is only a safe if it is certified in Canada; just like helmets, child seats, live vests etc. And new rules mean new certification; i.e. whatever you have will be worthless, but some new government jobs will be created.
Second, if rules would change to read you need to store firearms in a safe it would not be legal to keep them in the car when you go and pay for gas or at your hunt camp etc.
Third, if you have a shiny safe a thief might think you have a tremendous amount of valuables at home. If they don't know how to open a safe, and cannot find the keys (or its combination lock) it's logical that they would consider taking the owner hostage to get in.
No matter how you slice it, it's not worth it!
The current requirement for storage are fully adequate and anyone should think twice to advocate for having a safe.
Can I ask how you have an alarm system monitored directly by the police?Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
To each their own as long as your within the law.
Everyone will have their own preference and bias. So to say one is overkill and not worth it, or the other can be pealed open in no time. Who is to say one or the other is "right".
I went safe for a few reasons. One obviously is break in and theft. Fact of the matter is the vast majority of BnEs are petty criminals, looking for quick and easy things. A "professional" or some other, nothing short of bars in your windows and reinforced doors will stop them from getting in.
Alarm systems are ok, but they are very over rated. Having had my house broken into a few times. With and without an alarm system,the only measure able difference was how much time they spent in my house.
Without they took their time and cleaned us out. With the system, they still got a fair bit, but didn't spend anywhere near as much time, nor do the same kind of damage. The police responding?
Lol.
I also keep more than just my LGs in it. Some valuables, passport, some camera equipment.
Foolproof?
Hardly, but if that's what your looking for, make your home a prison.
Better than a "stack on"?
When minutes count (and that's the case with most BnEs) yes, I'd say so.
But but that's me, and when dealing with petty criminals/theft. I'd rather not have the hassle of the insurance claims/process. If it's more than a petty criminal looking for easy things, get in, get out quickly...well there isn't much you can do period.
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
No kidding!!! Nothing a few more guns won't fix!!
uhh link please; i'm wondering about that myself. was this recent?Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
sorry, but learnt something about safes/vaults from they guys I bought my first one from (way more vault than anyone would buy). just watching two elderly slim chain-smoking gentlemen with old-school jail tattoos (sorry might been sailors or incapable DIY artists - no a clue about tattoos - who I'm kidding LOL) moving over a metric ton of steel seemingly effortless with a pry bar and a handful steel bars. it took them a few minutes moving that thing and to top it off (after a beer): "Don't worry too much if you loose the key, just give us a call and we find a solution."Quote:
Originally Posted by poltrojan
Well, at least they found a legal way doing a great job...
It does not take a lot to drop a full magazine into any gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Why you leave them lying around loaded makes no sense to me, sure you may not have little kids there but what about your friends kids or your grandkids.
The gun cabinets are there to keep kids out and other people who should not be able to get their hands on the guns. There are lots of combo safes or even quick open safes for guns that would get rid of the concern of intruders. I believe in the better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 but I don't want to be judged because some kid shot another kid with my loaded gun. In Canada you can have a full magazine right beside your non-restricted firearm if they are both locked in a case that cannot be easily broken into. There are carbines that have short barrels and take pistol magazines, that means a carbine similar to an M1 carbine with a 10 shot magazine in 9mm Luger, 40 S&W or 45 ACP, I think that will do just fine if needed although just the sound of a pump shotgun being loaded would scare about most intruders.
Just think about a loaded gun hanging on a wall in a room that is on fire and surrounded by firemen......most seem to be just below head height...