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So, getting back into hunting after a loooong time. Growing up I came from a family of hunters that were strictly riflemen. With the regulations now and the very short season for rifles I've been thinking bow hunting. Some WMUs that means a 3 month season not two weeks.
So from some of you more experienced bow hunters what would be a good first bow? Crossbow or compound? This would be based on overall cost, maintenance and effectiveness.
Thanks for any help!
I did the same thing last year and I can tell you it was a good choice. I spent a lot of time looking into the pro's and con's of compound vs. crossbow and each has some good points. In the end I when with a compound bow. I like that if you miss you can get an new arrow ready with little movement and have a chance for a second shot. I feel safer knowing my bow has no chance of falling out of the tree and shooting me by accident. I also found that with crossbows they seem front heavy and holding it up for any length of time will reduce my aim (I am told there are some that don't feel front heavy).
The best thing will all ways be to just go to a place were you can tryout a bunch of different bow and see what feels and works best for you. I when to the store with a particular bow in mind but after shooting it and others I couldn't buy it. It didn't feel right in hand and the one I did get just seemed to fit me perfect. All the major bow manufactures make good bows so don't worry about who makes it and just make sure to get one that shoots well for you.
well, you are going to have to put in some time shooting different bows.. I shot both and currently shoot an Excalibur crossbow.. I like both but can't do the compound after shoulder surgery, and I am fine with that... bow have advantages and disadvantages.. I know a lot of people who shoot and hunt with both.. compound for early season and crossbow once it gets cold and pulling a compound gets harder when you have multiple layers on... now that depend on what you want to spend.. I would say this though, spend a little extra cash and get a top quality bow.. you get what you pay for and when looking, review the bow company's customer service.. if and when something goes wrong, you want to make sure the company has your back.. you can find some top quality compounds and crossbows now a days.. don't let people tell you the crossbows are too heavy, Excalibur has a line of matrix and micro's that are compact, fast and deadly accurate.. best of luck and let us know what you decide on..
[QUOTE=Lucas;918145] I feel safer knowing my bow has no chance of falling out of the tree and shooting me by accident.
you are kidding right?? if you hunt with a crossbow and have a bolt in the thing, always have your safety on... yes crossbows sometimes are front heavy ( mostly compound crossbows) but in terms of affecting your aim, you would have to be holding it up for some time.. the same could be said about holding a compound bow at full draw for 30 seconds or more.... I have shot both and I could hold a crossbow up in aim position and hold steady far far longer than I could hold my compound bow at full draw... just sayin
No I'm not kidding about how I feel on safety. The safety on a crossbow or a gun is not a guaranty that the weapon will not ever have and accidental discharge. Take a quick look on online and you can see many examples of safety switches not stooping a weapon from shooting. Add to that a fall from a tree stand and a it is a very real possibility.
I'm not saying someone should never hunt with one I'm just saying that was one consideration when I was looking to buy. The op was looking for people to give their opinions to help him decide what to get. Your opinion and mine don't have to be the same.
Get an Excalibur crossbow . You will not be sorry.
I did a search and not a single video I found of a crossbow safety not working. if it's an issue there is also an ADF ( anti dry fire) that could be added.. our opinions don't have to be the same, I am just saying that the , maybe less than 1% of incidents where a safety ( like I say, mostly guns as I have yet to see a crossbow safety issue) not working is definitely fixable, not a deterrent to someone buying a crossbow.. plus a possible drop of a crossbow from a stand , to get "shot" by it accidentally it would have to drop perfectly straight down hitting the butt end on the ground.. extremely highly unlikely.. like I say, we don't have to agree but to say that this is a safety concern ( getting shot by it falling out of the stand) is absolutely asinineQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
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Originally Posted by JUDGE
I agree ... they are the #1 crossbow in the world for a reason...
I went compound. I have healthy shoulders and back and like the idea I can fire a dozen in little time and go collect them. We do it as a family. Helps you to get good fast.
You can do the same thing with the crossbow just more time involved in putting the next arrow in. Depending on what time you have to practice that might be a factor in your decision as IMHO I believe a compound would take more time than a cross.
yes, the compound takes far more time to shoot and be consistent than that of a crossbow.. I do miss shooting the compound, would shoot 200-300 arrows a week out of my hoyt.. but I like the scoped crossbow, far more accurate and consistent, especially over time.. having good shoulders and back will make compound shooting much more enjoyable..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mdiddi
If you enjoy a challenge and have time to practice then like me you will love compound bow. I also have excalibur crossbow for when its gets colder as bows are harder to use with winter dress up.
I found that my biggest issue.. I am a big guy( 6'2" at 260 lbs) and I could pull that bow ( 65lbs) back all day long without much issue.. but doing it with heavy layers on in the cold weather, really added to the challenge..Quote:
Originally Posted by domination
A xbow vs compound thread. Uh oh. ;)
It depends on what you're hoping to get out of your pursuit of game. If you're looking for the easiest, most effective way to put meat on the table, xbow is your best bet. Easy setup, less maintenance, scopes to benefit in low light conditions, much less movement required to execute a shot, and for the most part, faster speeds with greater momentum. Like others have said, Excalibur is top notch.
If you're looking for a slightly more challenging pursuit, you may prefer a compound. As bowhunters, many of us will consciously handicap ourselves in our pursuit of a memorable hunt. Just ask those that hunt with recurve/long bow.
Myself, I simply find xbows terribly boring to shoot and enjoy practicing with a compound more than anything.
I own an Excalibur as well. Little maintenance and very comfortable to shoot. Head out to a local shop and try them all. One will fit you.
Who's been telling you lies...they have never been the top bow even in North America :)Quote:
Originally Posted by buckluck_9pt
That sums it up nicely...I have both and hunt with both depending on the season and weather. The x-bow gets the nod once I start hunting late season (Nov-Dec), the cold adds a dynamic that makes it hard for the compound.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
I was reading about the Carbon Express Covert CX-3. Seems nice. I'll probably go look at some this week. I'd rather go to a shop that specializes in bows. Try out a few. Any recommendations there? I'm in Mississauga east area.
Can't argue with Mike . May as well end this thread.
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Originally Posted by MikePal
What! Still too many questions and not enough answers...Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
So with regards Excalibur do they have a decent rep with regards customer support? What are some decent makers of compound bows? Regarding x-bows is fps all that and more? Does a bear really crap in the woods? Is the pope really catholic?
If you have some time this is a well written piece on the physics of arrow speed, weight, FPS etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
Good reading to give you something to think about.
http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon_..._chapter_5.htm
In regards to minimum FPS...
http://bowsite.com/bowsite/features/...r/penetration/Quote:
According to Easton, a 400 grain arrow traveling at the glacial speed of 170 feet-per-second has sufficient energy to harvest a mature deer. Heck, many kids bows can easily shoot such a light arrow faster than 170 fps, and I've seen such rigs do pass-throughs on deer!
Being a bit of a techno-weenie this is right up my alley. Thanks Mike.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Makes you look at arrow selection in a different way.
Oh, one more thing. Apparently according to my wife bears do crap in the woods...[emoji16]
Who's been telling you lies...they have never been the top bow even in North America :)
no lies MikePal.. as I see it, they ARE the #1 crossbow in the world.. you may not think so, many may not think so, but that's your opinion and my opinion is mine.. many people say Ford is the best pick up, others will say Dodge..
well, I say Excalibur is the absolute best... agree or disagree, I don't really care..
Hope this helpsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
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I shot with an Xbow for many years (yes, Excalibur is the king IMHO). Low maintenance, pull, and pop..
But if you go to the archery range, Xbows are not allowed in many cases. Plus, after 5 shots or so, pull and pop gets boring.
The challenge and learning experience involved with a properly fitted compound bow moves the game up 5 notches that you'll never get with an Xbow. Every shot, breath, stance and twitch will determine if you get a 10, or an 8.
Don't get caught up in the speed game. Whatever choice you make, any new Xbow or compound bow will put an arrow through any North American game, and it's not an issue.
Since Bowtech bought out Excalibur, I can't comment on current customer service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
But since Excalibur used to be a Canadian company, I've had acquaintances talk to the owner directly..Can't beat that.
The triggers on Excalibur used to be above and beyond anybody elses. But the beauty was its' simplicity. So in that regards, Xbows in general, usually didn't exhibit problems, unless people dry fired, or used incorrect or unmounted bolts to begin with.
I've got an APA compound bow, and it's a Canadian company. Again, I've gotten to talk to the owner directly with questions. Try that with Hoyt..But if I had to start over, and have the most modern thingamajic, and most forgiving and up to date bow, it would be Bowtech.
Nonetheless, top names in compound bows are Hoyt, APA, Bear, Bowtech, PSE, Mathews, Darton, Diamond, Elite, G5, martin, Mission, Obsession, and Strother.
I have vertical compounds and crossbows. A crossbow if you are not willing/able to shoot it constantly through out the year. Crossbows are not as much fun to shoot as a vertical. Can not bowfish with a crossbow. Line up the scope and bingo bango you are done and ready to hunt/shoot. Vertical bow is constant fiddling with it. Crossbows scare the general population that think they are a magic weapon that can shoot 200 yards all on their own. Have not shot my crossbows for two years now. They are ready for when I turn into an old guy. LOL CHEERS!
I knew it! Those scallywags...Quote:
Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
For your question about vertical bows I shoot Diamond by Bowtech. I have Outlaw, wife has Infinite, and my daughter has Atomic. No complaints with Diamond or Bowtech. Good price point and reliable.
if hunting this year its pretty late to pick up an bow and be ready to shoot at a crititer ethically. practice practice practice, a crossbow is alot easier to famializer your self with but that being said you still need to practice practice practice!!, i have a compond for earlier months and pull the crossbow out in those colder days
if you can't shoot a min 3 times a week I'd suggest a crossbow
sure anyone can maintain a 20yrd shot but after 30yrds you should be practicing many times a week its only fair to the animals you are trying to harvest
Dan
Ditto, compound is a bigger commitment if you want to be successful past 30 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by myot
If you are talking sales numbers or number of users you are likely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
If you are talking about wins at 3-D shooting competitions than you are incorrect as they have more wins than every other brand combined in the last 10 years. I tend to put more stock in the 3-D wins. So the statement they are #1 could easily be accepted as true.
I tend to put more stock in independent 'lab' comparison testing... 3D competition results will reflect more the performance of the Archer than the bow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
'Outdoor Life' performs a truly independent review of crossbows every year and Excalibur's are always included. They do well, usually in the top 50%, but they have never been the 'top' bow...
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2011/08/new-crossbows-2011-new-hunting-crossbows-best-hunting-crossbows/?image=1
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...Pal06/xbow.jpg
There is a video at the link that shows how the testing is done...
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hun...-crossbow-test
Haven't read all the posts here but I am assuming ( say what you will ) that u have never taken a deer with archery equipment before . So if thats the case and you are spending most of your time securing and scouting places to hunt ( what you should be doing ) then I reccomend a crossbow until you get a few deer under your belt.
Crossbow will have you shooting wit confidence quicker than a compound and will allow for lots of time in the forest gaining experience on when to move or not to move or when to shoot or not to shoot. Then if you want more of a challenge then by all means move to a compound. Remember one thing , with either bow you need to practice and know your yardage.
Here are the results for 2013 with the then new Excalibur Matrix 380, were it ranked 4th out of 7.
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hun...013-bowhunting
They are comparing Excalibur Axiom SXD to the top crossbows The AXIOM is Excaliburs lowest performing crossbow.
They should at least try one of the Matrix series.
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Keep reading..see post #35.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
They test the NEW bows each year, the Axiom was the new bow that year. If you read back thru the years (like I posted) you see them all being evaluated.
I understand your point MIkepal , that they are comparing new bows of that same year.. however, you can't deny that comparing a top line bow from one manufacturer against the bottom line bow from Excalibur is comparing apples to Cadillac's.. .. I agree, it would be more fair to compare a Tenpoint top line bow against every other manufacturer's top bow..
I also prefer to see tournament results over "lab" tests.. those tests are done in controlled settings, not real life events or environments.. it's the same as comparing fuel mileage between a top line truck to a bottom line Honda civic.. even the fuel consumption readings aren't accurate as they are also done in controlled "lab" settings.. I prefer real life, out in the field results over anything else.. and again, when I see results comparing a company's top line $1200 crossbow against other company's bottom line $499 crossbow, than it's not even a test as far as I'm concerned.. but like I say, agree to disagree... this is getting off the OP's conversation...
OP, please go out and try a few of each, and get what suits and feels best to YOU.. don't worry about the name on the side of the bow.. but I would strongly consider asking about that bow company's warranty policy and customer service reputation..
The fact that the guys that win and who are also likely the highest volume shooters in the world consistently choose excalibur tells me more than any lab geek ever could. I'll trust the winning archers every time over some magazine lab geeks funded by advertising dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Extending your logic to say chainsaws would you take the advice of a few magazine lab techs over that of the majority of foresters? I know whose advice I'd follow.
To the OP - sorry for the tangent. If you have lots of time go with a vertical bow. If time to practice will be an issue choose a crossbow. Whichever route you go try out a bunch of brands and models and choose the one you are most comfortable with.
Yup. As an active 3D competitor I can assure you there are many bows out there that are pleasant to shoot and quite accurate but non are anywhere near Excalibur when it comes to long term reliability and durability when high volume shooting. Most crossbows out there now will serve hunters quite well as most hunters probably shoot less than 50 shots a year. If that's what you plan on doing then buy whatever floats your boat but if you're going to put 1000+ arrows down range every year it's hard to beat an Excalibur. Over the years while shooting 3D I've seen TenPoints and Barnetts fail and Hortons and Scorpyds literally fly apart. Crossbows pack a lot of energy into a small package and they literally try to destroy themselves every time you pull the trigger. Most manufactures try to push the limits of a design to achieve maximum performance and since the vast majority of crossbows are used for hunting high volume shooting isn't even a consideration. I'd love to see Outdoor Life take all their test bows and run 2000 consecutive shots through them and see which ones still function in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
But they did, in 2013, they evaluated Excalibur's top of the line Matrix 380 and it came in 4th..Quote:
Originally Posted by buckluck_9pt
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hun...013-bowhunting
In 2014 they evaluated the Excalibur Matrix Mega 405..it came 8th out of 9..
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hun...-new-crossbows
Excalibur's are not close to being the Top X-Bow in the world or even North America.
The fact that a product is being tested in a controlled setting is exactly the reason the results of the evaluations bear more weight. Like they explain in the video, they remove the 'shooter' and just look at the bows performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by buckluck_9pt
Looking at 3D competitions is meaningless to evaluate a Bow performance against one another...that competition is evaluating the skills of the Archer and has little to do with the Bow. It might be the preferred x-bow...but then you would have to ask why ? If the competition is being done in Ontario, then most guys will show up with an Excalibur, because most guys in Ontario own an Excalibur. If you hold it down in Texas, few guys, statistically, will show up with Excalibur. In fact, I noticed a lot of 3D competitions in the US have a specific category for 'recurves'..maybe why you'd see more Excalibur's there:)
Sorry Mr Boiler for the Hijack...the die hard Excal groupies have dragged the topic off the rails somewhat....but the discussion may benefit you in your selection process, knowing that technically (proven) the Excalibur's are not the 'Best' on the Market, so you may want to shop around.
Oh and I always thought it was the Pope that chit in the woods :)
http://www.haku.co.uk/b3ta/Pope280.jpg
Anyway.
Getting back to the origianl?
Get out to your local bow-shop & try a few on for size.
The choice is simple.
If you have time to dedicate to practise & a place to do so often maybe go the compound route.
If your like me with a busy schedule & I have to drive a distance to practise then x-bow is a good choice.
As far as brand goes. That is a personal choice. I remember being in the market for the first time I shopped around & asked a alot of questions about maintenance & customer returns.
I like many went with an excalibur cross-bow. The guys that fix-bows are the ones to ask what bow will be more durable & easily maintained with-out a drive to the bow shop to use the bow press to adjust brace height or change a string. What bow can you maintain your-self & easily add-on to? If you ever lucky enough to do a remote fly-in hunting trip what bow would you rather have?
At the end of the day it's your $ and enjoy the purchase.
Appreciate all the info. MikePal, you guys can hijack away! The links and so forth have been looked at for sure. Awesome reading and it has given me a good foundation to work from and ask questions. Now to find a bow shop that has some selections to choose from...
Anyone have experience with Erie Trackers in Port Colbourne? I remember last year seeing a lot of bows there.
So using that same argument, what about guys who use Hoyt compound bows when they do a fly in and need repairs...should he avoid buy a compound bows altogether and stick to the recurves so he can change the sting himself out in the wilderness.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
...how can you be 'anti-wheel' for an x-bow but then go out and buy a compound bow :)
If money is no object buy 2 compounds 1 main bow & 1 spare just in case of a mishap! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
shot accuracy is not dependable with your coat and facewear hitting the string. Missed a butiful 10 point one winter and got a xbow next day. I much rather use compound but now know when its time to put it away for an ethical shot!Quote:
Originally Posted by buckluck_9pt
Tracker's the only place i'll buy a bow from. Good selection of the major brands and i've yet to see anyone beat their prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
http://www.prototechind.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Never go on a hunting trip without it.
In our group we try to keep same bows that way if any problems with bow one of the other people in group may have piece or part you need we all shoot excalibur. Best to go to shop and shoot a few to get right fit and feel weight and ask all your questions because once you take it home you own it
That's exactly why I don't put much stock in the dry lab reviews. The shooters experience should be a huge part of the evaluation. "Best" is very subjective and is different for each person. Pure data without analysis is pretty useless in my opinion and you cannot provided analysis without factoring in the human element. My "best" is based on accuracy, reliability, weight, serviceability and handling. I really don't care a whole lot about size or noise or vibration because none of that will have any adverse effect on my hunting or target shooting. The weight alone of some of the bows they reviewed would preclude me from ever buying one so there's no way I would consider any of them a "best". Had a high end TenPoint at one point and while it was a sweet shooting bow it got nick-named the "TenPound" because that's about what it weighed. Maybe if I was 22 not 52 I wouldn't mind hauling it around but that was the biggest reason for selling it. I could see several ways to reduce the weight of that model but I guess the TenPoint engineers couldn't or they didn't care.Quote:
The fact that a product is being tested in a controlled setting is exactly the reason the results of the evaluations bear more weight. Like they explain in the video, they remove the 'shooter' and just look at the bows performance.
Quite the contrary. It's a great way to test the real world durability of the bows. It's also a testament to the accuracy as no serious shooter would waste his or her time competing with a bow that wasn't capable of pin point accuracy.Quote:
Looking at 3D competitions is meaningless to evaluate a Bow performance against one another...that competition is evaluating the skills of the Archer and has little to do with the Bow.
Not really. I know in the archery shops I deal with in Southern Ontario Excaliburs only account for less than a third of their crossbows sales, some less.Quote:
It might be the preferred x-bow...but then you would have to ask why ? If the competition is being done in Ontario, then most guys will show up with an Excalibur, because most guys in Ontario own an Excalibur.
So do almost all 3D shoots in Ontario. Most shoots are open to all types of archery gear. You sign up for your class and compete against other in the same.Quote:
If you hold it down in Texas, few guys, statistically, will show up with Excalibur. In fact, I noticed a lot of 3D competitions in the US have a specific category for 'recurves'..maybe why you'd see more Excalibur's there:)
Good place to shop for bows Mr Boiler. Great selection, knowledgeable staff and an indoor range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
What your talking about is called 'User trials' as opposed to functional engineering reviews. I agree with you on the premise...but you would have to conduct the review in accordance to set parameters to evaluate one bow against another.Quote:
Originally Posted by TPM
ie: you would require the same group of 6-10 archers running thru a fixed 3D course with a standardized scoring scenario with a selection of different Bow from a variety of manufactures. Each shooter would have to run thru it with each selected bow (multiple times preferably) and then compare the performance results.
To say off hand that bow 'X' is the BEST because most 3D guys use it, or because YOU like it, is meaningless unless it's gone thru a rigorous performance review.
For the vast majority of hunting needs, good & consistent accuracy is not about bow brands/models, but the shooter’s skills. All modern bows are capable of good performance (when tuned properly!!!).
Also, vertical bows (vs X-bows) do require dedication to reach & maintain the level of shooting performance you are capable of, or happy with.
So, ALL that really what matters when choosing a bow these days, (beside personal preferences/obsession if any) is proper feel/fit & good customer service.
Well, finally got an opportunity to get a look at some x-bows. Salesman, an older gentleman brought up a good point. "Hopefully you aren't thinking of hunting this season if you've never shot a bow before." That gives me more time to research. I looked at the Excalibur Axiom and Carbon Express CX1. Both very different. He did mention something else interesting regarding FPS. Don't worry too much about FPS. Be more concerned about a clean and ethical kill. He felt that 25 to 35 yards would be max for a beginner. Felt that 60 yards plus is unrealistic even for those who have been bow hunting for a while. He also told me to stop watching those BS hunting clips on youtube where the guy has got a deer at 100 yards with a bow.
All in all it was a good visit. I may wait until bow season is over and see what I can get on sale...
You really shouldn't have any problem with getting into the field this year with a crossbow. A compound bow... probably not, but with a bit of range time you could be ready to hunt with a crossbow by October.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
I agree with his take on FPS and max range. 35 yards is a long shot regardless, beginner or not, no matter what crossbow you're shooting. 60 yards is completely unrealistic.
Keep your eye on this site for deals. Guys on here are selling good crossbows all the time when moving up to the Micro or Matrix. You could get yourself completely outfitted with a decent used Excalibur for under $600.
One piece of advice if I can offer it... buy a crossbow that isn't intimidating for you to unc o c k by hand. If you start out with something that's too heavy (over 200 lbs), you're going to hate having to unload it. I still use an older exocet (175 lbs) that's easy enough to grab the string with both hands, flip the safety off and pull the trigger with my thumb. You can definitely feel it, but it's manageable. Anything over 200 lbs and you'll have to either shoot it or use the rope co cking aid to unload it, which can be awkward and intimidating if you're new to crossbows.
He's right about the FPS, as I posted earlier, a 175 lb bow is more than plenty to push an arrow thru and thru a deer into the ground...any more than that all your doing is burying the arrow deeper into the ground on the other side :)
I see that Archery Choice (see link below) rated the Axiom very high (9.2/10) would make a could choice if you found the fit good and the price was in budget. More than enough power to kill a deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
From a thread about chainsaws ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
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I see that the news that the Excalibur bows are not rated the best has really rocked your belief system Species, you even carry the bitterness to other threads...Haha
Here, just in case you think I was selective in my choice of 'Outdoor Life' for their Cross Bow review...here are two more independent Cross Bow reviews sites that include some Exclaibur bows...as I said earlier, they do well ,nothing wrong with the bow, they just are NOT rated the Best...
http://www.archerychoice.com/crossbo...s-comparisons/
http://www.petersenshunting.com/feat...rossbows-2014/
I'll Put the ball in your court..find me some 'User trail' reviews of how well an Excalibur proved to be the best against other crossbows.
yes, a 175lb pull crossbow is more than enough.. I shot an Excalibur phoenix for a few years ( 175lb pull) and killed 5 deer in 3 years with it.. now my dad has it and I am shooting the axiom.. the axiom took over the phoenix and now the grizzly takes over the axiom... they are great bows... not the fastest, but still very very accurate, dependable and like said earlier, absolutely enough to get a complete pass through up to 40 yards..
I'm not sure where you are Mr Boiler but the fall sale at Trombly's in Orillia starts today,
175lb Grizzly $600 with padded case....
Perhaps you are taking this more seriously than I am and did not see the emoticons. My apologies if I crossed a line.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I see that the news that the Excalibur bows are not rated the best has really rocked your belief system Species, you even carry the bitterness to other threads...HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
I did originally, on the chainsaw thread, but then saw you came back and edited your post here, so I suspected it was more than just a little humourous banter....we're good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
excalibur service is nowhere it was before!!!, much better in past !
Not sure what your experiences have been but I can assure you that Excalibur ' service and warranty policies are the same as they have always been. My wife took her Vixen in last month with heat damage to one of the limbs. Totally not their fault but they replaced both limbs anyway while she waited, no charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by warningshot
My sons bow went through a house fire and they sent new ones to him, no charge. Seems decent to me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TPM
Me too, limb damage replaced while I waited, no questions asked.
Wow, seems the more I read the more Ill be picking up an Excalibur. Just from the warranty aspect alone it's worth it.
Anothor thing to pay attention if you looking for used stuff is that some bows come with waranty for the original owner only.
Yeah, I've been there with other products. I'm figuring a used bow with no warranty should cost me 1/2 of what it did retail if it's in good shape. I see people asking almost full pop for used stuff less 15%...Quote:
Originally Posted by G.S.
Good thing to keep in mind. Thanks.
Well, it's done. Picked up an Excalibur Micro 335. Just felt right... 270# draw weight though... But what a nice bow!
Congrats on the new toy!!