A new low in journalism

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...e-applications

How much coaching from an Ant-Harper reporter do you think it took for this low life to blame Canada? This coward sent his family across a sea in an unsafe and overloaded dinghy and they drowned. The fact that he came from a war torn country being destroyed by Muslim extremists and that he hadn't even applied for sanctuary here doesn't even register with this biased media. How could we refuse a non applicant? And how entitled is this guy thinking somehow his family supercedes the tens of thousands of other victims seeking asylum ahead of him. Do people really think that an application in this crisis stands out? "if" it had been done properly it would have been a grain of sand on the beach. Canada is in an election so of course Stephen Harper is responsible for the savagery of ISIS that is happening on the other side of a planet in a country that mostly hates all non muslims. This POS father should have left years ago if he really cared for his family. It wpouldn't take ISIS flattening my home and abducting my female family members to convince me to get the hell out. Out of all 3 Federal candidates Harper is the only one who would fight the enemy militarily. Mulcair would turn and run and throw blankets to the dieing masses. Trudough doesn't know what he would do. Gawd we are screwed.
And people wonder why Harper hates the media and avoids them?

I'm gonna call the post and tell them that I am pissed at Elon Musk because I'm not on Mars yet. What an unfounded load of sh!!t. Shame on you national post. Oh gee I forgot the poster child. The former Lord Black.

I don't think Black owns it anymore.

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Originally Posted by terrym

I don't think Black owns it anymore.

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Right and he'll be flippin' when he reads this,too. The bullshyte from The Star,Globe and NP is really starting to stink worse than usual.

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Originally Posted by terrym

I don't think Black owns it anymore.

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Correct but he began the man bites dog viewpoint in Canadian "journalism". Thanks for the update

I have been watching the interviews Peter Mansbridge has been having the last few nights. Mulcair scares the *rap out of me and will not answer a direct question. When Peter Mansbridge asked Mulcair how he felt about his own caucus saying he was a dictator he turned three shades of red in anger. JT the hair gel kid couldn't even answer a question without squirming in his seat and talked in circles. Harper was to the point and very matter of fact throughout the whole interview and felt he did the best. Is this the best Canada really has to offer ?????? Were screwed !!!!

I don't know what to think anymore. I was convinced Mulcair was in easily now JT is leading in the polls today. This after some serious foot in mouth stuff about small biz owners being rich tax dodgers. It seems no matter what Harper says it gets twisted and it hurts him. I truly don't have a clue anymore how this will play out other than it being a minority. One of Mulcairs senior guys was exposed as flipping off the Pope and Catholics yet not much coverage. Lots of new Canadians and Italians will take that as a big insult. If a Harper guy had said that there would have been people in the streets with pitchforks.

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Originally Posted by terrym

I don't know what to think anymore. I was convinced Mulcair was in easily now JT is leading in the polls today. This after some serious foot in mouth stuff about small biz owners being rich tax dodgers. It seems no matter what Harper says it gets twisted and it hurts him. I truly don't have a clue anymore how this will play out other than it being a minority. One of Mulcairs senior guys was exposed as flipping off the Pope and Catholics yet not much coverage. Lots of new Canadians and Italians will take that as a big insult. If a Harper guy had said that there would have been people in the streets with pitchforks.

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Nothing knew here terry , just getting worse which I didn't think was possible.

Dumb and dumber, get a free ride. May could dance drunk and naked on parliament hill and barely cause a stir!! If Harper blinks at the wrong or says hello in the wrong tone he is repeatedly raked over the coals by most of the media. Pathetically disgusting!!!

Reading this makes me think who runs this country: A government? opposition parties? the people?
Or is it the media who tells you what they want you to believe?
This is propaganda of the worst kind if "the free press" indulges in prevarication to the degree we are witnessing right now.

Trudough booted the Senators and interfered with many riding nominations. Openly admits to loving the Chinese model of governance. MulCair almost blew an artery when Mansbridge told some of his caucus thinks he is a dictator already. These guys act like this now. How will it inflate their narcisist egos when they become God?
Mulcair's easy claims to open the floodgates sell well to the uninformed but nobody in the world is doing that. Even Obama the great is only taking in as many as us and they have an economy 10x bigger than ours. They also have stated that security clearances will not be compromised and don't expect to receive any for 18-24 months so they can safely vet them. Mulcair isn't a stupid man, he likely knows all this but has seen that voters are in fact mostly uninformed and many are stupid. It has become a hollywood type game show it seems where charisma trumps competence. Doesn't matter what you do as long as you smile nicely. Doesn't angry Tom have a lovely assassin like smile now? Surely you have seen it as it's permantly on, flared nostrils and all.

You guys may think I've completely lost it,but,I still think when all is said and done,there will be a right wing backlash against the NDP and Liberals. We can only hope. Honestly,what are the chances of the entire nation having a giant brain fart all at once?

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

You guys may think I've completely lost it,but,I still think when all is said and done,there will be a right wing backlash against the NDP and Liberals. We can only hope. Honestly,what are the chances of the entire nation having a giant brain fart all at once?

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this election will be a mess. no matter how you slice it or on what side one is on. we are going downhill and all we try to control is the pace that this is happening.
well if things start to get seriously out of hand (something we have not really experienced yet), you'll see left and right wing parties to pop up. they will never get into government (at least that's what you should hope for!), but you need them to set the centre straight.
right now, we are talking about voting the lesser evil - that's already a pretty sad approach.
if things continue, we will debate in a few years if we should vote ultra-right or ultra-left or just give our vote to the usual parties again (expecting a different result, by continuing what we have always done).

My only hope is that the majority of Canadians enjoy playing mind games with pollsters as much as I do.

I have one question ,,,Why re all the people that are fleeing there country not taking up arms and fighting the terror threat in there own land ,why are thy running away instead of standing up and fighting for there freedom to live in there won land ,Dutch

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I have one question ,,,Why re all the people that are fleeing there country not taking up arms and fighting the terror threat in there own land ,why are thy running away instead of standing up and fighting for there freedom to live in there won land ,Dutch

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Great question Dutch. I have said it before that if these people cant police there own patch the west doesn't stand a chance.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

You guys may think I've completely lost it,but,I still think when all is said and done,there will be a right wing backlash against the NDP and Liberals. We can only hope. Honestly,what are the chances of the entire nation having a giant brain fart all at once?

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The chances are pretty good there Trimmer !!! After all, look what happened here in Ontario !!!

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Originally Posted by dutchhunter

I have one question ,,,Why re all the people that are fleeing there country not taking up arms and fighting the terror threat in there own land ,why are thy running away instead of standing up and fighting for there freedom to live in there won land ,Dutch

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Our young brave courageous soldiers leave their wives and children to go there and try to improve life.

They leave their wives and children in the middle of a war and flock to other countries.

Somthing drastically wrong with this picture.

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Originally Posted by bushman

Our young brave courageous soldiers leave their wives and children to go there and try to improve life.

They leave their wives and children in the middle of a war and flock to other countries.

Somthing drastically wrong with this picture.

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Exactly, but they're a bunch of cowards. Just wait until they have been here for a few years and then they will all leave and go back to their sand castles and goat herds.

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Originally Posted by terrym

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How much coaching from an Ant-Harper reporter do you think it took for this low life to blame Canada? This coward sent his family across a sea in an unsafe and overloaded dinghy and they drowned. The fact that he came from a war torn country being destroyed by Muslim extremists and that he hadn't even applied for sanctuary here doesn't even register with this biased media. How could we refuse a non applicant? And how entitled is this guy thinking somehow his family supercedes the tens of thousands of other victims seeking asylum ahead of him. Do people really think that an application in this crisis stands out? "if" it had been done properly it would have been a grain of sand on the beach. Canada is in an election so of course Stephen Harper is responsible for the savagery of ISIS that is happening on the other side of a planet in a country that mostly hates all non muslims. This POS father should have left years ago if he really cared for his family. It wpouldn't take ISIS flattening my home and abducting my female family members to convince me to get the hell out. Out of all 3 Federal candidates Harper is the only one who would fight the enemy militarily. Mulcair would turn and run and throw blankets to the dieing masses. Trudough doesn't know what he would do. Gawd we are screwed.
And people wonder why Harper hates the media and avoids them?

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I have to disagree with you terrym. The question (Do you blame anyone for the deaths of your family) was asked by a German reporter and Abdullah Kurdi answered he blames the Canadian authorities for not accepting his application. I can't see how a German newspaper would be biased against Harper. The German newspaper has no skin in the Canadian election. The story in The Post actually makes no link between Harper's tightened rules (in response to people whose refugee status was questionable) and Abdullah's family (it does the older brother however).

Now onto this tragic situation. I haven't commented on this but I feel the need to now. Abdullah hadn't even had a formal application entered into the system (the older brother's application had been refused based on an incomplete form), yet Abdullah states he had five families willing to support his family in Canada. So my question is why didn't one of the five families start a formal sponsorship of the Kurdi's? How about ISIL which started this entire thing? It seems the father isn't willing to put any of the blame on them. If they hadn't started this fight, perhaps this family would still be living in peace in their home country. Abdullah used money provided by his sister to get his family from Turkey to Greece. He was safe in Turkey, perhaps not the very best of conditions according to him but he could have stayed there until the refugee process over here was started. He could have used that money provided to him to buy food, shelter and clothing but he used it to get out of Turkey. He gambled and his family paid a price. Yet he doesn't shoulder any of the responsibility of making that decision.

As for Trudeau and Muclair (or anyone for that matter) making political hay of all of this situation, I have to say it is pretty low. Trudeau made the comment about Chris Alexander ("you don't get to suddenly discover compassion in the middle of an election campaign"), I just have to wonder how much compassion Trudeau has exactly shown. Has he gone out and started a sponsorship form to sponsor an Iraqi refugee family or even suspended his campaign and used his "star power" for fundraisers to donate money for refugees? If Alexander doesn't get to "discover compassion" about this situation, neither does Trudeau(the same rules have to apply to Trudeau) and he certainly doesn't get to insist the government up it's refugee numbers based on compassion.

Dyth

So, do I understand this right.

Abdullah's 2 children drowned. His sister in BC, applied to sponsor Abduallah's brother, Mohammad, and that application was denied.
The plan was that Mohammad would go to Canada and then at some point Abdullah would immigrate to Canada, but no application was submitted by Abdullah.

Abduallah is saying because Mohammad's application was denied, he decided to flee to Greece instead. So, did he speculated that because Mohammad did not have his application approved, he would stand no chance, and decided to go another route?

I feel sorry for the guy, and I do believe the world needs to get better with humanitarian aid, but I'm not sure it's even feasible for our government to investigate cases like this to this degree. There has to be a process or chaos will erupt, and then things just get worse for everyone including the migrants. It is upsetting that things are so bad in Syria that he thought he had no choice but to flea, but I can't see how Canada can be blamed for that.

One thing I read is that they didn't have enough money to pay for life jackets, which would have made a huge difference (kids could have survived). What are the illegal migrant ships charging for life jackets?? They paid something like a few thousand euro for the trip. A life jacket costs $30 over here, probably could get them for $10 or less for humanitarian issues like this. I know this is too late, but the point is all these decisions are not in Canada's control, and although I hate what I'm seeing, I don't think it's right to put all this on Canada.

they need to make us feel "responsible", so we take them ALL, send our sons over there to get butchered or burned alive, while they can enjoy the good life here raping our woman and children.
not true? they are ALL just victims who just try to survive? okay. put them in a camp in the far north away from any city and infrastructure. give them as much food, housing, clothing and healtcare as possible. I bet not many will come to Canada if it means to be save in the Arctic - they want our benefits while exercising their believes and "culture" after permanently settling in our cities.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

So, do I understand this right.

Abdullah's 2 children drowned. His sister in BC, applied to sponsor Abduallah's brother, Mohammad, and that application was denied.
The plan was that Mohammad would go to Canada and then at some point Abdullah would immigrate to Canada, but no application was submitted by Abdullah.

Abduallah is saying because Mohammad's application was denied, he decided to flee to Greece instead. So, did he speculated that because Mohammad did not have his application approved, he would stand no chance, and decided to go another route?

I feel sorry for the guy, and I do believe the world needs to get better with humanitarian aid, but I'm not sure it's even feasible for our government to investigate cases like this to this degree. There has to be a process or chaos will erupt, and then things just get worse for everyone including the migrants. It is upsetting that things are so bad in Syria that he thought he had no choice but to flea, but I can't see how Canada can be blamed for that.

One thing I read is that they didn't have enough money to pay for life jackets, which would have made a huge difference (kids could have survived). What are the illegal migrant ships charging for life jackets?? They paid something like a few thousand euro for the trip. A life jacket costs $30 over here, probably could get them for $10 or less for humanitarian issues like this. I know this is too late, but the point is all these decisions are not in Canada's control, and although I hate what I'm seeing, I don't think it's right to put all this on Canada.

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Exactly!!! But dumb, dumber and the media are buying into it and playing right along with the Devel reincarnated!!!

From CBC.

"Alan Kurdi's father not a people smuggler, family says
Australian news organization releases interview alleging Abdullah Kurdi was captain of the boat
3:38 PM PT
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The Canadian family of Abdullah Kurdi, the father who lost his wife and two sons when a boat full of Syrian refugees capsized en route to Greece, says new allegations — from a passenger on the boat — that Kurdi was one of the smugglers running the boat, are "ridiculous."

"It's just simply untrue. It's made up." Kurdi's brother-in-law Rocco Logozzo told CBC News in Vancouver on Friday.

Father of Alan Kurdi describes desperate ordeal to save family
Abdullah Kurdi blames Canada for death of wife and sons
The death of Kurdi's three-year-old son, Alan, who drowned along with his brother, Galib, 5, and mother, Reham, has drawn worldwide attention to the Syrian refugee crisis and placed the Canadian government under fire after it emerged the family had hoped to come to Canada with the help of their aunt, Tima Kurdi, who lives in Coquitlam, B.C.

Though she only submitted an asylum application for Abdullah Kurdi's brother Mohammed, Tima Kurdi has said Abdullah's plight was brought to the attention of Immigration Minister Chris Alexander when her local NDP MP handed a letter to him in the House of Commons earlier this year.

Logozzo, Tima Kurdi's husband, said that his wife had spoken to her brother since the accusations aired on an Australian news organization.

"He completely denies all these allegations," Logozzo said. "He's standing by his account and I don't see any reason to believe these stories. He's a victim here, just like that poor woman."


Zainab Abbas, who lost two children of her own in the tragedy — her nine-year-old son and seven-year-old daughter — told Ten News that Kurdi was part of the group that took US $10,000 from her to transport her family of five.

Now in Iraq and hoping to be granted asylum in Australia, Abbas gives her account of the dreadful capsizing of the boat, and the moment she felt her daughter's hand slipping from her grasp.

She says that boat was too full and there were not enough life jackets to go around. She also states clearly that Abdullah Kurdi was in charge.

"He was a smuggler, yes, he was the one driving the boat,'' she said in an interview translated by her Australian-based cousin Lara Tahseen.

Abbas said that her husband had tried to reason with Kurdi who, she says, was driving the overloaded boat too fast.

"He was going crazy," she said of Kurdi.

After the boat capsized and Abbas realized two of her children were drowned, she says Kurdi told her he had lost his two sons and his wife, and pleaded with her not to tell anyone he was in charge.

But Kurdi insists he only tried to take control of the boat after the captain bailed, leaving the refugees to fend for themselves.

'Pretty ridiculous'

"He doesn't know how to operate a boat. As far as I know that was his first time on a boat. It's pretty ridiculous," said Logozzo.


Alan and Galib Kurdi are seen in an undated family handout photo courtesy of their aunt, Tima Kurdi. (The Canadian Press)
He said the family is doing its best to deal with the international attention, including the negative press, but they have no idea why Abbas is making these allegations.

"We don't understand," he said. "We certainly feel for the woman … she lost her kids too."

Four Syrians were arrested over the incident last week, accused of "conscious negligence" in connection with the drowning deaths of 12 people travelling on the boat."

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/topstories/...says-1.3224794