From pheasant game farms all the way to "Safari" game farms.. Lions and everything else.... What are you views and opinions on this??
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From pheasant game farms all the way to "Safari" game farms.. Lions and everything else.... What are you views and opinions on this??
there are quite two distinct sides to this coin.
not that I judge a book by the cover, but considering your post count (just like someone else did before retracting his post) I wonder why you are asking this question.
perhaps you'd like to give us some insight where you'd like to go with this thread and what your views are to begin with
Hum.. We'll I watched a documentary, " African hunting holiday " by Louis Theroux...everyone should check it out... My personal belief is that it it wrong..but than in Africa poachers run rampant..so is it right to do that? Raise animals just for the sake of "hunting them" in a fenced off enclosure?.... Or even elk game farms here in Canada or pheasnt game farms right in our own backyard...some ppl might argue that ppl raise animals for slaughter so it doesn't matter... But for me.. The act of hunting is all about scouting, being in the woods..you need skill and knowledge but luck is always there..... I'm just asking for people's opinions...
Then don't call it hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAW91
It is something that is personal, if someone feels as if that is hunting to them then fine.
Some hunters don't think hunting with anything but a traditional bow is hunting as the modern stuff messes up the hunt, I don't think we should label any legal hunter in any way, to each their own by legal means.
hunters are not a homogenous group of people. some hunt for trophy, some for meat, some to pass time, some for spiritual reasons, some to brag, some for organic & ethical food, etc.
my personal experience with game farms is limited to dog training. they are great for the dog and good to introduce someone to hunting, although personally, I would not call that hunting...
some game farms are vast (you could wander for days before you hit the fence) whereas others are there to raise game like on a farm. but before someone jumps to a conclusion that one is acceptable and the other not, I think we should look at the "user" first.
how many people have you witnessed taking game (in real life)? some will only take a perfect shot and pass on everything else (the way it should be), but if you spent the weekend like myself in a public marsh you would have been reminded that way too many think differently (same goes for moose or deer camps).
if you can influence people's attitude (greed, entitlement and fear of being blamed for passing on a shot) you would only end up with the type of game farms that would not lead to much controversy.
Exactly Fox.
Some think fishing for stocked fish is little different. Some think the bucket brigades and filling stringers is a llower form of fishing, compared to CR. Or spoon chuckers vs fly fishing...
Some think all hunting is wrong. What's your opinion of Antis? Don't force your values on....?
My view point is. It's not for me and that's all that matters. And we all live in glass houses. I'm sure each us do something that someone else might look down on.
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Originally Posted by PAW91
Welcome to the forum. You'd better put on your hard hat and flak vest if you are going to start threads like this.:)
I went to bird game farms for many years. I never thought of them as a place to " raise animals to be slaughtered" . I thought of it as an opportunity to work on my dog's training , improve my shooting and have a great dinner.
Can I ask if you are a hunter?
( Of course poaching is illegal and wrong anywhere.)
Bang on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Well said. I have a problem with fish finders and shooting grouse on the trail , but as you said - to each their own. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
I've never hunted on a "reserve". Breeding animals to hunt on a fenced in operation,to me,is akin to "hunting" at the Zoo. I find the very thought of it exceedingly distasteful. It makes me question the character of the people that engage in this type of activity.
When I hiked 5 miles in a day to see one grouse (no dog) I would shoot it no matter it is were standing or flying, ha ha ha, that is hunting in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I chuckle at the stocked fish one from another post, dad has a stocked pond, we call it catching, not fishing, we pulled in 30 3+ lb rainbows during the deer hunt just to fill the freezer.
Well, this looks to be an interesting thread. I have used game farms to train my Small Munsterlander when she was first starting out over 16 years ago. To me these pheasant farms were invaluable in her formation trg as I could accomplish more in one day there than a week in the bush. But they are however just that, farms. I have been involved in hunting Africa for many years and represent a Safari company in South Africa. We took approximately 30,000 HA many years ago and removed the cattle and reintroduced game such as springbok, blesbok and wildebeest etc... in other words we put it back to the way it was. Our herds are now all self sustaining and we hunt both trophy and cull to manage the herds. The benefit of allowing the land to return to normal has been an increase in both huntable and non-huntable species returning that are not hindered by the fence such as mongoose, warthogs and bushbuck to name but a few. We are blessed here in Canada with public and private land on which our wildlife can thrive, not so in other places around the world like Europe. As urban sprawl continues to expand everywhere Game Farms may be necessary in order to preserve the hunting we enjoy. Notice I say hunting as pen raised domestic animals are for food and also fall in the vast category of the term "farm". On our land in South Africa you can now enjoy hunting the way it use to be and there are no guarantees of success, that to me is the difference between hunting and shooting.
I have no problem with bird farms. Those birds were raised for the sole purpose of human consumption just like any farm animal (beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, etc). The only difference between a "traditional" farm animal and a bird for a game farm is I have to get off the couch and bring along my lab and we get to go out and do some shooting together.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAW91
Dyth
That's the best part watching your dog workingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
He is my first lab and I will never, ever not have a dog when I go waterfowling again.Quote:
Originally Posted by sambo
Worked my dog at a private game farm today for a couple of hours. Watching my dog Elly work was a beautiful sight and seeing what she was bred to do.
Thank you for all your input, I've been enlightened..
As I said I wasn't on one side or another, I just wanted to know ppls opinions on the matter..