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Hey just a watch out!
My moose hunting group just got back from Thunder Bay around Hwy 527 and 811.
Pesticide was sprayed in this area. We were very disappointed as this was a new area we all had decided to explore.
Signs are posted a long the areas sprayed.
From what I can determine, we explored about 200 km from 527 and 811 and noticed these signs in a lot of main and side cut logged area and roads.
Good luck everyone!
http://fishingboard.thunderbayfishin...howtopic=15737
Just found this link.
Spraying clearcut logging areas is nothing new. This has been done for years, to clear out garbage growth and allow new seedlings to take hold. This is what I was told by a logger, north of Long Lac.
It's just glyphosate. Remove weed competition for new seedlings of trees to grow
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Many regulatory and scholarly reviews have evaluated the relative toxicity of glyphosate as an herbicide. The German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment published a toxicology review in 2013, which found that "the available data is contradictory and far from being convincing" with regard to correlations between exposure to glyphosate formulations and risk of various cancers, including non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL).[9] A meta-analysis published in 2014 identified an increased risk of NHL in workers exposed to glyphosate formulations.[10] In March 2015 the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer published a summary of its forthcoming monograph on glyphosate, and classified it as "probably carcinogenic in humans" (category 2A) based on epidemiological studies, animal studies, andin vitro studies.[5][11][12]
Sounds like charming stuff. What can I say my graduate degree was in biology, Rachel Carson 's " The Silent Spring," was on the book list of one of my courses. I can't remember the poets name but these lines comes to mind, " The tree that never had to fight for sun and sky and air and light, Never became a forest king but live and died a pitiful thing." God knows how much of this stuff accumulates in the tissues of animals that feed off the vegetation sprayed with it. However I suspect there is another study somewhere that says that it break down readily into non-harm chemical compounds.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut
This stuff kills more than weeds, it kills everything but the jackpine.Leaves nothing that the animals want to eat, therefore animals move on to other areas. Takes a couple of years before anything comes back to the area.
Just the opposite in the big smoke,we cant get grub worm killer anymore or decent weed killers unless you take a trip to Buffalo.
Anytime you want weeds come on down we got plenty.
False.
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Really! I suppose there is no likelihood that it gets into the ground water and gets spread further afield?
How come environmental groups are not raising hell about? Should the hunting community be concerned about its use?
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
For starters glyphosphate becomes inert upon contact with soil. Read about it first before making statements.
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You kinda eat it everyday you could say. It is used in the preparation of fields to grow crops. Most crops are treated to survive Round up. I guess we could start increase food by 10,000% instead of using it. Round up is probably the safest chemical out there. Once absorbed by the plant there is no residue it goes straight to the roots. Technically it causes an explosive growth and then kills the plant in layman terms.
Round up is used in preparation of fields for crops, site prep after a clear cut to keep down unwanted vegetation, Keeping Hydro corridors free of trees and shrubs etc. Some environmental groups have tried to find problems with it but I guess what we could do is just tell every to start living in caves again.
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This is good stuff. So what you're saying is, as a civilization, we are going in wrong direction. And if we continue to do so, we are going to end up being poison to death by our own food supply. Do all those people out there who are so bent out of shape over climate change, have any idea?
Now as I recall a year back I picked up some soybean seed to plant, for its nitrogen fixing ability, they mention at the time that it had been treated with roundup. The particular plot I was interested in planting it in was infested with milkweed. All I can say is, if the roundup was suppose to help deal with the weeds, something went remarkably wrong, because in that plot the milkweed is still thriving.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut
You are aware that eve so called natural pesticides are toxic. It is how they are used and when they are applied that matters.
RoundUp ready seeds means they are resistant to Roundup when it is applied. The plant can absorb it but won't be killed.
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Let's put it simple if you live 50 km from your place of work are you going to ride a bike or drive. The same applies pretty much for everything. You want all farms across the world to become 100% organic know help from anything. Then look on your left and look on your right we would need to chop civilization by 50%.
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To use your own terms - False.Quote:
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This is a common misconception. Most people believe this because in order to work the plant has to be actively growing and the faster the growth the quicker the glyphosphate will work. People mistakenly believe the growth is caused by the glyphsophate but the growth is actually just the catalyst that allows the chemical to do its job.
Glyphosphate is an enzyme blocker. The blocked enzymes cause an amino acid deficiency that actually causes the plant to die of starvation.
Don't believe me than check it out here:
http://www.glyphosate.eu/glyphosate-mechanism-action
or just google "glyphosphate mode of action." All the sites will tell you the same thing.
Also false. Unless by inert you mean to say that it is no longer effective as a herbicide.Quote:
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Inert in the context of chemicals actually means chemically non-reactive. Glyphosphate does not fall into this category as once in the soil it will undergo numerous chemical reactions and eventually will breakdown into carbon dioxide, formaldehyde, phosphate and ammonia. This process can take weeks or even years depending on environmental factors and soil conditions.
I would not say it is impossible but in my experience it is very unlikely. My company has tested 1000s of groundwater samples from all over southern ontario and had them analyzed by independent third party laboratories for glyphophate and numerous other common agricultural and industrial chemicals. Not one of those samples has ever come back positive for any detectable amount of glyphosphate. Some of those samples were taken from wells 20 or 30 feet from heavily sprayed bean fields.Quote:
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Surface water on the other hand is a different animal and trace amounts will regularly show up in creeks and ponds close to spray areas.
If this stuff does not kill everything, then why do all the birch and maples tree die off in the cut, no choke cherry or berry bushes grow for at least two years.Any plant that is a deciduous plant takes time to come back in a cut. We see it all the time.
Shrubs, trees, etc take more time to establish I use to spay them through a company for Hydro. We could stop the spray and maintenance of hydro corridors I don't think energy is necessary, I wonder how many people could go this winter without electricity?
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We are not talking about hydro corridors, we are talking about hundreds of kilometers of forest where the only plant left growing is Jackpine.Not too much I know eats Jackpine.Quote:
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Its a broadleaf herbicide, similar to what is in the now-banned lawn herbicides "weed and feed" and "killex". Its used in forestry applications, spread from planes. They want to kill the soft maple and poplar so the pine/spruce can get started. There is supposed to be signage in the area indicating pesticides have been used there. I've found these on cut-overs in the Pembroke area.Quote:
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I have never seen it spread by plane. I have spread it by hand with a tanker truck and sometime back pack sprayer.
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thanks for sharing the info (as opposed to opinions and anecdotes)
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