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Hope he make's ok . terrible accident.
Wow, not good... I hope he recovers quickly....
damn. that's an area I fish often.
I don't know of the exact location, but I remember Sprite reporting getting shot at while on the grand (not sure where) during controlled deer hunt.
I hope he's okay. this is never good for the hunting community.
also, whats a guy from timmins coming to southern Ontario to deer hunt? I am sure hes got some better spots between Timmons and here to hunt deers!!
Thats awful tastier deer here
That sounds like a unreal accident. As he was along way from the guys that were shooting.Dutch
I hope he is ok. This gun season crazy to me. There is to many people with guns running around. Last year in Kitchener a slug went through the window at Belgium nursery from a gang. Year before a kid was shot. God only know how many near misses there is this week. These guy have to realise that slugs are heavy and go way to far. More land owners here about this the less they will want any part of it.
Just search it on the internet machine! I don't know how to copy links on my phone. Sorry
Hope he gets well soon. I like to be in a tree during the hunt.
As a hunting community we really don't need things like this to make the news. I understand the excitement of the hunt and all but there are way too many hunters that are too quick pulling the trigger without being aware of the surroundings/backstop.
Be safe everyone.
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I wonder if this happened during a deer drive?
I refuse to participate in a deer drive for safety reasons.
If others want to do deer drives all the power to you. I will stay in a tree and wait thanks anyway.......
Pushing deer is a safe as any other kind of hunting. It is people that make the unsafe decisions.no matter what kind of hunting thy are doing. We have used drives to hunt deer ever since thy started the controlled hunt in the south and we never had any problems. The guy that was shot was on a watch a long way from the shooter out of sight from the guy shooting. That could happen to anyone of us well in the bush.you just never know who is across the feild or the other side of the bush.. Be safe .Dutch
you forget that other people can get in between without making their presence known and they may not wear blaze orange!
accidents have happen and always will, but look at the odds (typical Ontario controlled hunts): pushing deer with shooters on the ground, very limited visibility due to brush, no knowledge who else is around (e.g. neighbor's lot, etc.) and terrain that often doesn't provide a natural back stop.
so, I'd say there's quite an onus on the shooter to pass a shot or two if it's not perfectly safe. certainly not the average mentality during the controlled hunt...
I really don't know why we squeeze the hunt into a few days. I'd rather see a long rifle season in populated areas in conjunction with other conditions (e.g. tree stands, written land owner consent etc.).
This man was hunting with a local group. he was the only person not from the area, and according to all reports they were all properly dressed in hunter orange .
How this happened ! only time will tell.
I often think that a lot of new hunters that were not raised hunting and started off under there father or uncle close watch with a 177 pellet gun and went threw the ranks and years don't have a true understanding of what a gun can do and how far it travels. Its scares me that with a weekend course anyone can really just head to local gun shop and head out with a high power rifle or slug gun. I'm not saying this is what happened in this case. But it just scares me. Also dutch. No this could not happen to anyone. It happens to careless people. Also its funny how this crap always happens in the week of deer hunt. Just search it on the internet the amount of people shot in Ontario hunting accidents. 90% is the deer hunt.
It happens in the deer hunting because that's when guys are in the bush hunting. And yes it could happen to anybody. You can't know who is on the other side of the woods gully or feild every time you go to your spot. For all you know the neighbor could be walking her dog across from were you are hunting. . DUTCH I got to ask when else is there that many people in the woods with guns in southern Ontario. Shooting only happen when people are out with guns. And with everyone out at the same time.well you get the point
I did a deer drive once. I had a stray slug wizz by my head. never again!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said give me my tree stand & much distance away from other hunters & I am a happy camper...
It may be time to think about eliminating the two week gun hunt and open it throughout the entire fall season like with Black Bears to reduce the amount of hunter concentration over a short term. Once a hunters tag is filled,he's done for the year except for party hunting. It may be wise to do the same for Moose,too.
Hunting by driving deer can be very safe but everyone involved has to be very careful when shooting. The group I am now hunting with has been hunting this area for over 40 years and has never had an accident. ( new members have been added but there are still a few of the originals participating) When new deer hunters like myself are added to the group, one of the guys mentors them closely and makes sure that are safe. Over the last week, we have all had chances to shot but passed them up because we were not absolutely positive that the shot could be made safely. Better to pass up a shot than to cause an accident.
Reality check: this is when the overwhelming majority of hunting accidents occur. It is the most dangerous time to be afield.
Is the number of accidents simply a function of the number of participants? That is, is the accident rate no higher? You'll need evidence for that claim. There are lots of hunters out on public lands in the south for upland hunting, for example. You run into lots of other hunters on a day afield. Accidents? Almost unheard of. Same on opening day for waterfowl. Same on the spring turkey opener.
No body count compares to the controlled deer hunt.
I'm just going to refrain from commenting on this. Instead....Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
Waftrudnir and I don't often agree, but we do here.
And I agree also that an extended rifle season would make more sense.
These accidents are regrettable but inevitable.
I Don't agree with extending rifle season. That would make the woods unsafe for all users for longer periods.
If you want extended get a bow or crossbow. I only bowhunt now to stay clear of the pumpkin parade. Seen too much craziness during gun season and refuse to be a statistic.
We don't often hear of accidents where guys get shot with errant bullets during a hunt...most accidents end up being related to poor gun handling, ie. guys falling and shooting the guy in front of him, not unloading their guns guns while climbing trees or crossing fences etc.
There are more incidents related to an aimed shot, thinking it the guy was wild game, than being hit by a bullet shot from nowhere. I tend to think those type of 'accidents' are far more nefarious :)
Shooting bird shot into the sky is why that style of hunting accounts for few accidents. Same with Turkey..bird shot doesn't travel far. Not a valid comparison.
I agree, two weeks is plenty, especially if your talking about 'gang' hunting where most of these type of hunting accidents occur.
We have a two week season here and VERY few camps run both weeks. In fact very few camps take advantage of the 2nd week as they follow tradition and will never hold off the hunt till the second week. There would be little interest in 'gang' hunting into a 3rd week.
The majority of accidents during the controlled hunt appear to be people swinging on game, not poor handling.
And the next highest accident rate is in upland bird hunting, IIRC.
Seems like this happens every year. I believe there were 7 incidents in Nov. last year, but can't find the link.
2013 - "6 hunters mistakenly shot as deer hunting season begins"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...gins-1.2417094
I mean not the kind of carelessness you blamed in your earlier post.
Unfortunately I have done the same, I prefer bow hunting anyhow but there has been a couple of Oh sh@# moments that could have had very bad outcomes and it's just not worth the risk. I don't have anything against the guys that do drive deer but regardless of how careful you are the risk factor is greater.
I only bowhunt now to stay clear of the pumpkin parade. Seen too much craziness during gun season and refuse to be a statistic.[/QUOTE]
A little update info:
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A 64-year-old Timmins man was airlifted to a local hospital after he was accidentally shot in the upper chest by another hunter Tuesday morning. Brant County OPP said the man was deer hunting with a group of hunters and friends off East River Road in Brant County.
He was in serious condition. Shortly after 8 a.m., the group of six hunters was in a thick wooded area when one of the hunters saw a deer and shot at it. He didn't know the 65-year-old man was nearby, said Const. Ken Johnston of Brant County OPP.
A 69-year-old Brant County man was charged with careless use of a firearm.
Johnston said all the hunters wore proper safety vests and hats and had all the necessary paperwork for a weeklong shotgun season, which started Monday. It took emergency personnel more than 20 minutes to reach the injured man, who was some distance from the nearest road.
http://www.therecord.com/news-story/...ear-cambridge/
I moved from zone 80 which is a controlled hunt to 82A which is wide open. I can't believe the difference in the number of hunters and the intensity of the hunt. In 80 guys seem to keep a lower profile and go about the business of hunting while in 82A it's the wild west! Now I am hunting crown land so it's not the way it would be on private posted land I realize.
I'm pretty close to your stance GreyTech!
I've never heard so many shots 15 minutes after dark! Does 30 minutes after sunset not apply in some WMU? (sarcasm)
I agree with the season long gun season, lots of guys are up hunting and itiching to Choot somthin'! For a lot of guys, the 2 weeks of the year IS the deer season, so what you have is a lot of guys with not a ton of yearly experience in firearms handling in a very compressed time frame handling high powered rifles.... Space it out and they'll be less people in the woods at the same time, and I'd even consider making it open to shotgun only for the entire season , and perhaps a 2 week interval where you can use a rifle. Too many people getting shot that are supposedly trained in firearm safety.
As reported in todays paper, The Waterloo Region Record , The 65 year old Timmins man remains in hospital in serious condition. He was shot with a slug that went through his chest.
A 69 year old Brant County man faces a charge of careless use of a firearm.
Lets all hope that the man survives the shooting .
Yes let's hope he recovers. Imagine how the shooter feels. I can't!
I noticed in some jurisditions eg. Maine driving deer is illegal. Does every province allow deer drives?
There are many versions of "deer drives". At our camp the watchers were all on marked spots and knew where their neighbor was. About a half mile away one or two men with dogs would enter the bush and try and put the dogs on a fresh track, at which point their job was over ....Each stand was chosen according to established game trails and in almost all cases were in open hardwood. If we had a watch in the green stuff, then it would go to an older guy with a shotgun...who we could count on to stay cool when he heard a noise. The doggers themselves realized that they should stay out in the hardwood as they approached the line of men as well.
In over 25 years I don't recall any close calls, but a few people were invited to leave because they went for a walk away from their assigned spot.
i feel than needing to see horns has slowed down a lot of quick shooters.....