Massive gun-bust case tossed

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December 19th, 2015, 01:23 PM
delmer

Massive gun-bust case tossed

I'm not sure what is more troubling, the shoddy and reckless police work, or the fact that a thug was let off the hook even though he was packing a sawed off shotgun.

http://infotel.ca/newsitem/massive-g...unties/it26004

This is the news release regarding the original arrest.

http://infotel.ca/newsitem/kamloops-...weapons/it6763

Charles Gerald Patrick, 57, remains in custody and faces multiple charges after the seizure. Police say the warrant was issued after Patrick was stopped by a general duty officer on Dec. 11 about a separate investigation for fraudulent vehicle registration and was caught with a loaded and sawed-off 410 shotgun concealed under his jacket. Upon search of the vehicle, police seized ammo, marijuana, a large machete and some steroids.
December 19th, 2015, 01:43 PM
Bushmoose

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Originally Posted by delmer

I'm not sure what is more troubling, the shoddy and reckless police work, or the fact that a thug was let off the hook even though he was packing a sawed off shotgun.

Personally, I believe it is more troubling that the guy gets off. Obviously a low life.
December 19th, 2015, 02:20 PM
trimmer21

Maybe, a crook got off,but,they know who he is and can watch him like a hawk until he screws up,again. I'm terribly concerned with the work of RCMP Constables and officers that should have known better,to say nothing of the JP that signed the warrants. WTH was he/she thinking? Did the JP have any idea what he/she was doing or was it someone with ZERO legal training who just happened to have enough juice to be appointed through purely political patronage like we see here in Ontario all the time?
December 19th, 2015, 02:43 PM
rick_iles

Policing these days is so specialized because of this type of thing. General duties officers are not properly trained in proper warrant prep. or criminal investigations. Especially in smaller detachments. Most now have specialized warrant writers, and investigators to handle investigations like this. I would suggest the fault should lie with their supervisors .....
December 19th, 2015, 02:59 PM
trimmer21

Quite clearly,no one asked any questions. I found the Judge's observations interesting.
December 19th, 2015, 05:38 PM
jaycee

They say that the RCMP is supposed to be Canada's " BEST TRAINED " - Police Force , ????????? :rolleyes:
Over the years , I have heard that statement many times.
December 19th, 2015, 07:18 PM
skypilot

Wow, Just WOW.

Police 101.....fill out arrest affidavit and search warrant, do the risk management checklist and then determine entry request type(knock, no knock), the manpower(SWAT or Patrol) the time requested to serve(6AM-6PM or 6PM to 6AM), confirm correct address and swear it before the judge.

Queen's cowboys.......AGAIN
December 19th, 2015, 08:20 PM
rick_iles

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Originally Posted by skypilot

Wow, Just WOW.

Police 101.....fill out arrest affidavit and search warrant, do the risk management checklist and then determine entry request type(knock, no knock), the manpower(SWAT or Patrol) the time requested to serve(6AM-6PM or 6PM to 6AM), confirm correct address and swear it before the judge.

Queen's cowboys.......AGAIN

Lol...that's American stuff !!!
December 19th, 2015, 09:28 PM
skypilot

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Lol...that's American stuff !!!

I know that the Cdn. "Judge" says cops should decide/know better than them whether to knock or just bang the door.
I also know that there is an ITO and a draft but come on, it's still the same simple process. Surely if an American cop knows your process, fack, can't the best of the best keep their chit straight?
December 20th, 2015, 01:14 PM
rick_iles

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Originally Posted by skypilot

I know that the Cdn. "Judge" says cops should decide/know better than them whether to knock or just bang the door.
I also know that there is an ITO and a draft but come on, it's still the same simple process. Surely if an American cop knows your process, fack, can't the best of the best keep their chit straight?

Yea, I don't think I've heard of an investigation screwed up so bad ! As far as the hard entry, of the hundreds of warrants we executed, the only knock was a boot to the door !
December 21st, 2015, 09:08 AM
Bluebulldog

Being a scumbag notwithstanding, this is a perfect case study in how police work shouldn't be done. No doubt this is already being discussed by the various departments around the country, and I hope it's used as a case study in police colleges like Aylmer.

Kudos to the Judge who despite the fact that the whole thing stank, did the right thing in following the rule of law.
December 21st, 2015, 09:16 AM
Bluebulldog

LOL.

"They used a “hard entry” to the trailer using a battering ram. "

Anyone read that, and wonder why.....since trailers have doors that open outwards.
December 21st, 2015, 10:36 AM
jaycee

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

LOL.

"They used a “hard entry” to the trailer using a battering ram. "

Anyone read that, and wonder why.....since trailers have doors that open outwards.

Outward opening doors ?:confused: I guess they weren't taught that and it never occurred to them , besides a battering ram is more impressive .:rolleyes:
December 22nd, 2015, 10:23 AM
DDT

kinda reminds of a certain OPP officer I once met. she thought HER way was better than the right way. to bad sweetheart in the end I had it my way
December 22nd, 2015, 10:47 AM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by DDT

kinda reminds of a certain OPP officer I once met. she thought HER way was better than the right way. to bad sweetheart in the end I had it my way

Now,here's a story I'd love to hear. Do tell,DDT.
December 22nd, 2015, 01:39 PM
skypilot

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

LOL.

"They used a “hard entry” to the trailer using a battering ram. "

Anyone read that, and wonder why.....since trailers have doors that open outwards.

On those type doors you have to reverse the ram and use the other end...:silly:

lol.....Hard entry, no knock tips and tricks for those stacked at the door with bangers and rams...........
1.) look at the hinges
2.) try turning the door knob
December 22nd, 2015, 04:48 PM
jaycee

They could use a "Halligan Tool" like the fire dept. does, it's sort of like a pry bar , sliding hammer tool.
Jam the prying fingers in between the lock and frame, slide the hammering extension once or twice to drive it in and pry outwards , pop! the door opens, have used it many times over the years at work.
But , cops like to do it the hard way , so they can show them that "they are in control"
December 22nd, 2015, 04:54 PM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by skypilot

On those type doors you have to reverse the ram and use the other end...:silly:

lol.....Hard entry, no knock tips and tricks for those stacked at the door with bangers and rams...........
1.) look at the hinges
2.) try turning the door knob

Serving warrants on people in trailers is likely the most dangerous thing Police can do because the walls offer no protection. Bullets go through them like they aren't there and you're standing up front and center. Sends chills up my spine. Been there,done that way back in the day.
December 22nd, 2015, 05:32 PM
skypilot

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Serving warrants on people in trailers is likely the most dangerous thing Police can do because the walls offer no protection. Bullets go through them like they aren't there and you're standing up front and center. Sends chills up my spine. Been there,done that way back in the day.

Low light and long hallways with doors on each side and traffic stops on rural roads at night with a van......
We trained on trailers, so they don't get me going, excepting the customary clientele.
December 22nd, 2015, 05:45 PM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by skypilot

Low light and long hallways with doors on each side and traffic stops on rural roads at night with a van......
We trained on trailers, so they don't get me going, excepting the customary clientele.

I'd sooner do a traffic stop on a van on a country raod at night than a damn trailer call. BTW,I really like your new location. That shoe sure fits LOL
December 22nd, 2015, 06:55 PM
skypilot

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I'd sooner do a traffic stop on a van on a country raod at night than a damn trailer call. BTW,I really like your new location. That shoe sure fits LOL

On the trailer, oddly enough it's use came about due to an officer entry shooting when the bullet ran along the hallway wall paneling and struck the entry member hugging the wall. Seems counter intuitive at first blush but after taking a few wax bullets it's easy to remember to stay off the walls.
December 22nd, 2015, 07:09 PM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by skypilot

On the trailer, oddly enough it's use came about due to an officer entry shooting when the bullet ran along the hallway wall paneling and struck the entry member hugging the wall. Seems counter intuitive at first blush but after taking a few wax bullets it's easy to remember to stay off the walls.

We learned the same thing. I also learned that when an armed subject is hiding behind a vehicle,to lay down shotgun ground fire on this side to take the legs out from under him on the other. Ricochet can be your best friend if you know how to use it right.;)
December 22nd, 2015, 07:22 PM
skypilot

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

We learned the same thing. I also learned that when an armed subject is hiding behind a vehicle,to lay down shotgun ground fire on this side to take the legs out from under him on the other. Ricochet can be your best friend if you know how to use it right.;)

Lol. I know, it's another reason for the "mount up grab bar" along the Bearcat.

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