Must have great hunting and amenities (hospitals etc...) curious to here fellow members suggestions...............
Must have great hunting and amenities (hospitals etc...) curious to here fellow members suggestions...............
For raising a young family,I'm partial to my home town,Peterborough,hands down. It has it all,great schools,lots of youth programs,new medical facilities,recreation and TONS of organized sports. Real Estate prices and values are excellent,too.
How's the hunting in Peterborough?
Im sure there is lots of places that a young family could live but you have to throw work in the picture, this changes everything unless your sitting on lots of money. How far do you want to drive to work these are questions you need to know
First of all,it's a waterfowlers mecca. Pick a lake or river,there's literally hundreds to choose from. There's lots of Crown land within 45 minutes to the north and east of the city. Farmers are always looking for varmint/predator hunters,although,there's been an influx of big city folks who hunt their own property over the last few years and you sure can't blame them for that. Fishing is very good,too. .Quote:
Originally Posted by FAMABRAV
I'm kinda partial to my neck of the woods, which is Sault Ste. Marie and area. Easy to find places to hunt. Fishing literally on your doorstep! Camping, canoeing, etc, all close without the southern Ontario crowds breathing down your neck. If you and the family can forgo the rat race and quagmire that is called Southern Ontario, this would be the place to raise a family IMO.
I was having this discussion with a Buddy the other night. He's having a hard time making ends meat. His only saving grace is that he lives rural and the cost of living is cheaper. He only has a 10 minute drive to work, his kids will be going to school about 10 minutes away and the town has all the amenities. The sacrifice is the job doesn't pay as much as it would if he was working in the big city. Almost a $5/hr difference.
But as we discussed it, it was clear that the $5 extra would get eaten up pretty quick when you have to drive 45 minutes, pay for parking etc. My wife used to work in the city and it was 130Km round trip commute that cost her 2 hrs a day in time and well over a tank of gas a week plus $12 a day in parking.
Personally I'd rather mix paint at the local hardware store for a little less income, than sit in a cubicle in an office tower in the city. At the end of the month you will have pretty much the same disposable income in your pocket and more time with your kids. Most guys I think would prefer to be with them after school than spending that the same time commuting home from the office.
edit add: He's finding adjusting to a single income hard as they just had their second child and his wife is going to stay home.
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Originally Posted by MikePal
That makes total sense.
I work from home. I'm in a position where I could move. I would love to move north but I just don't know where is a good place. I want the kids to have oppurtunity to have a good career and quality of life. I plan on visiting some of these northern towns this summer to get a feel for things. I appreciate the responses and insight..........
dont lump toronto and gta with all of southern ontario. outside of the gta and a few other mid sized citys is rural . no rat races or quagmires in most of southern ontario. dont be shy to look down this wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
We are not that far from MikePal, we put 90km on the car a day to get into Ottawa but we don't seem to notice it too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by FAMABRAV
Kemptville has everything you need and we are within 45km of Ottawa and about the same from the US, only 3 hours from Toronto and 2.5 hours from Montreal, so everything is accessible.
It is weird, when you say you want to enjoy the outdoors there is a huge swing, if you want to be able to hunt and fish you can go north but the amount of game is actually lower even though there is a lot of land that is public access. If you want to hike, snowshoe, ski, camp then your best bet would be southern Ontario as the trails there are maintained and it is a lot easier to get out for the day.
I like Eastern Ontario but then again I grew up in SW Ontario and it had its perks too.
My mom grew up in Northern Ontario, outside of Kapuskasing, she loved being up there but would never want to raise kids up there, it is a hard life and there is not a lot of opportunity, work is really hard to come by and there can be a lot of drug influences.
Good luck in your search.
Just a quick point of living too far from some services....I was in the Eye clinic in Ottawa one day and the gal beside me was telling me that she lived up in New Liskeard and had hurt her eye and had to come all the way to Ottawa to see a specialist. It took her 18 hrs by bus for the round trip. Her appointment took less than 30 minutes...not to mention I think she said close to $300 in cost.
I've heard the same from folks who live up in the Valley and have to come to the city for some health care needs...it's a long drive, especially if your visiting a loved one who is in the hospital. Just because you have a local hospital, surgeries and trauma care, heart specialist etc. are not going to be found outside major city centers.
Obvious small towns normally don't pay as well but real estate is normally cheaper (area depending.)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I like having my kids in the country and farm. Always lots for them to do whether its playing or working. We're 20mins from town. 1 mile from their public school. I have my mother, and 2 sisters one with kids my kids age all within 5miles. I walk to work and my wife is on mat leave with our 4 week old son. Can start hunting grouse, rabbits, predators, bear and waterfowl 30seconds after leaving my house.
Another note. Depending on the size of the town and school there's normally less kids in the classrooms making learning a lot easier for most kids.
How about the Windsor/Essex county area?
Lowest real-estate values in Ontario. Sell your average T.O home for $650,000.00. Move here & spend $300,000.00 and get a mansion with land or water views & pocket the profits... :)
Highest unemployment in Canada but we have many job fairs going on & my company is having a hard time finding workers????
World class fishing for all fresh water species is all around our county. lake St Clair / Detroit river / Lake Erie.
Hunting - well if you can buy your own land you are golden. I drive 1.5hrs to 92B to hunt deer & turkey. Pelee island pheasant hunting cant be beat.
Cross border shopping @ hundreds of Michigan outdoor stores with-in a 30min drive if the dollar goes back to normal this is a bonus.
BTW - Wisers wisky is made here... LOL
Really? World-class stream fishing for trout in Essex county? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
Given my work, I could live anywhere within two hours of an airport, and I guess my take on this is that the best place to live for hunting and fishing depends entirely on the kind of hunting and fishing you're interested in. And no matter where you are, you're going to find good hunting and fishing for something ... as long as you're away from the GTA.
BINGO!! The key to a happy family life.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Barrie or Peterborough
Still great hunting in Halton Hills, Caledon, parts of Milton and in durham. All part of the GTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
But this would not be my first recommendation to live and raise a family
But you have to admit that the closer to the GTA you are, the greater your problems with access and crowding.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtedd
No doubt about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Just sayin there's lot of pockets in the gta that haven't been totally ruined yet.
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Originally Posted by welsh
Ok you got me on that one... :)
However we have giant Steel head & brown trout fishing out of Wheatley in the summer that is hot & your arms will be sore by the end of the day... LOL
Draw a line between Bancroft and Stirling Ontario...anywhere in between
I'm with you on this. Some great country and small towns. Bancroft has a hospital and Belleville had a bigger one. You are in between Toronto and Ottawa too. Madoc or stirling comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
I also like the Ottawa area.
Yes New Liskesrd is great but as pointed out you could have to travel for care. They just had one of their eye doctors retire up there.
I guess it depends too if you want to live "in town" with access or out in the country and bus or drive your kids to school. Buddy of mine was outside of small town on lake. The kids loved it but once they were teenagers they wanted jobs and to hang out with their friends who were miles away. He bit the bullet and moved to town. Still has a camp close by. His kids wanted to work and he didn't want to stop them but driving to town before and after to pick them up added up in money and time. Something to consider.
It doesn't matter where you live, as long as good medical facilities, doctors and dentists are close by.
Great hunting and fishing doesn't make up for the loss of a life because you are far away from a doctor , or having to put up with the agony of a bothersome tooth for the lack of a dentist who can look after it within a short time .
We we moved out here, the real estate agent was telling us that the average turn around time for folks moving out into the country was very short. He said he re-sold most of the homes again within 4-5 yrs. Unrealistic expectations, kids growing older as mentioned, wives wanting to be closer to the city (loneliness) etc etc.
Have to make sure the whole 'family' is totally on side. We made the concession with the girls that would would always drive them to town etc..pain at times, but it was our decision to make them live out here. Not for everyone, many homes have changed hands, multiple times, on our road in the 20 yrs we have lived here.
In my opinion services are very important to have close by, especially with a young family. While I think the closer you get to Toronto the faster the pace of life is, I also do not think this fast pace is my ideal area to raise a family. The outskirts of the gta are a good choice to look into. You don't sacrifice services. Also it seems to me that the farther from big cities you are the less government money filters into these communities for simple social programs or community upgrades. Depending on where your preferred hunting areas are, I would suggest looking on the out skirts of city centers and close enough to a major highway access. At least this way you can have quick access to escape into the wild when needed. And from most of my experiences, most small communities outside of the gta have friendly and inviting atmospheres.
birdbuff
I live in Minden. It's a tough town to live in. Some days I have to make a decision as to how I am going to go into town. Do I walk, ride my bicycle, Snowmobile, 4 wheeler or boat or even drive the car. It's a tough life.
Minden-Haliburton has everything mentioned in posts above. What is lacking is jobs, and things for the teens to do if they are not into sports or outdoor activites. Great place to retire in.
The same reasons we ended up around Ottawa, I came here for school and realized that in 30min I was in the middle of nowhere if I wanted to be. I grew up to Toronto, if you had to work downtown that would take forever, but there are a ton of jobs, if you move to Ottawa it would be good to be bilingual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
I'd agree Peterborough is a good compromise. Being close to hunting and fishing opportunities, but then wanting the best of ammenities, and schooling for your children - you will have to find somewhere in the middle.
If you don't mind driving for some hunting, then there are other options.
I live in Oakville and think it's a great place, but expensive. Schools are really good, have the new hospital, and my boat's at the marina about 5 mintus away for salmon fishing. I wouldn't move from where I am, unless I'm heading south...real south.
Peterborough would be good but I would also look at Grey/Bruce. Owen Sound has everything you need and if not GTA is only 2 hours away. You have incredible beaches, Georgian Bay, Lake Huron plus tons of little streams and rivers with good trout. Deer hunting is among the best in the province. Turkey, waterfowling and upland hunting is pretty darn good as well. Also a pretty decent amount of under utilized public land.
I lived in the Kemptville Ontario region for close to 20 years. Early on 1990's the real estate was reasonable but once Hwy 416 went through to Ottawa the real estate market took off. The area fulfilled my dreams of dog sledding, establishing a kennel and later hunting. I now live halfway between Sarnia and Grandbend that offers a very reasonable real estate market with tons of hunting and fishing opportunities as well as fantastic job opportunities if you have a trade to offer. I had an opportunity in the Peterborough region and declined because the real estate market in this area was much better. The wildlife hunting opportunities are endless and had for the first time local venison that was out of this world.
Anybody from Sudbury here?? How does it stack up to the rest of the cities being mentioned??
I don't live there (yet), but I'm partial to the Kemptville area as well. It has everything one needs and it suits my lifestyle. I live and work in Ottawa, so the move just outside those City limits will be an easy one.
Having been there several times and having close friends who live there, I'd say Sudbury stacks up very well. I'd might even dare day it's better for the true outdoorsman. I go every year for deer camp because that's where my hunting partners live.
Don't come hear to Thunder Bay. No fish or big deer around here[emoji6] hahahahaha
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Can't beat north bay
We decided to retire to Bancroft from the GTA, partly because of the hospital. Now I go to Kingston for cancer treatment , Peterborough for hip surgery related stuff and my back yard for venison.
We hear that the Peterborough prices will start to climb next year with 407.....
if I was doing it over I would look at the Parry Sound area.....but no summer hunting licenses valid there.
Well I must say, it appears the general consensus on the forum is that the south is a fine place to raise a family and fish/hunt? What I and several thousand others who live here in the north have to say to that? GREAT! It keeps this region free from the hustle n bustle and crap that everyone down south has, for some reason, learned to live with. Keep on, keep'n on is all I can say. LOL :thumbup:
Funny that. In the last 12 months I have been stuck in traffic on HWY 17 either side of the Soo and in the Soo itself more times than I have in my entire life in Grey County Southern Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
As far as access to true wilderness goes the north definitely takes that one but as far as peace and quiet goes and good hunting there is no shortage of that in many parts of southern Ontario. I think you are confusing southern Ontario with the GTA. They are nowhere near the same thing.
Where I live it is definitely not hustle and bustle between Sarnia and Grandbend . I am a 35 min away from the U.S border to attend a NHL or NFL game. I have a 30 minute drive to hundreds of acres of prime hunting grounds as well as 2 local game farms. My backyard is Lake Huron for fishing and diver ducks and a 45 minute drive to Lake St. Clair for awesome fishing and duck hunting. No complaints and I think I will stick to this area and enjoy the nice weather as well. :)
Caught in a few snow storms have you? My version on southern Ontario is it starts about 2 miles past Sudbury. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Yea, and we don't have to dress up in a funny hat, vest and rubber pants to catch a ton of fish !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
No storms involved. Just lots of traffic and too much construction. And if we want to be truly accurate Northern Ontario actually starts north of a line between Red Lake on the west and Moosonee on the east. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
"Too much construction"? Jumpin gesus Man! The 15 minutes you might be stuck in a line up here for road work, doesn't even come close to the hours spent locked in on the 400 north?Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Don't know how Hwy 400 is relevant. It's nowhere near the areas of southern Ontario I referenced in comparison. All the roads I travel in southern Ontario to/from and around my hunting grounds never have a wait time anywhere close to 15 minutes. The 400 corridor is basically an extension of the GTA which you seem to repeated confuse with the rest of southern Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Your perception that southern Ontario is a crazy busy place with no peace is only true for the GTA and the primary corridors leading to/from the GTA. Most of southern Ontario, while not wilderness is actually pretty quiet and has some pretty good hunting and fishing.
My camp for example has frontage on a river that I can fly fish for trout. Over the last 4 Canada Day long weekends I have fished the entire weekend and in those 4 years have only ever seen one other person on the river.
Well Bushmoose having lived in the Soo for a few years I can say that my votes with you on this. Hunting around the Soo is a bit hit or miss though. Bear hunting is top notch, deer hunting is alright depending on where you go, moose is impossible to get a tag for but you're already far enough north that the drive isn't as bad, small game like grouse is alright, waterfowl can be good. The fishing around the Soo is much better than the hunting though. You have the Soo rapids, LSPP is 2hrs away for some practically untouched trout fishing, if you've got a sled there are a ton of great lakes that are easily accessible in the winter, Lake Superior and Huron are right there, the list goes on. You've got an OK university and college there, Lake State Uni is across the river, Laurentian in Sudbury. There is a new hospital in the Soo I think. The US border is right there and I'm sure the schools are OK.
Best of all, there is very little fishing and hunting pressure once you're off the trail.
But good luck getting your family to move way up north, that'll need some serious convincing.
No worries there for me? Lived up here all my life and the family is more than happy to call this "HOME" Just can't convince those that don't have a clue? Geez, did I say they're clueless outloud? Shame....:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by x_xeon_x
Bushmoose - Just to be clear I am not saying that Southern Ontario is a better place to live than the north shore with respect to hunting, fishing and outdoor activities. My point is that much of it is not the hectic rat race that you make out to be and while certainly different than the north shore there are areas with excellent hunting and fishing as my freezer will attest to.
Believe it or not, in addition to hunting our camp, I hunted public land in Southern Ontario this season 7 or 8 times including the first and last day of rifle for deer and never crossed paths with another soul. If your definition of clueless means possession limits of numerous types of fish, small game, upland, and filling my deer tag plus 2 additional deer tags - than I am in.
Well now.
I currently am looking at options, and planning for the next step in life. I love where I live in Orangeville, but being further away from the GTA is on the list.
The two places that my wife and I are in agreement on are North Bay, and Peterborough. For the same reasons. Proximity to all amenities and services. Out of the hustle and bustle of the GTA. Excellent proximity to the great outdoors. I lean a bit towards Peterborough, since I already have a cottage near Sharbot Lake. My wife leans towards North Bay, since she has family nearby.
Looking at housing prices is important, as is reviewing what services are available. If you're a work at home guy, I'm assuming you use the internet quite a bit, so it's imperative that you look and see where high speed is available, and research how good / bad / inconsistent it may be.
hey bushmoose, i think your being prety smug. species is right. southrn ontario is more then just toronto. U ever been down here?
I lived here in sudbury for the past 30 years lots of work with all the mines around here. Hospital alone employes 4000 people, now theres a school of architectuire coming up
the nice thing is with 3-4 hours of driving i can be as far north or as far south i want to be
We have big university and a college
House Price around 300,000 that's an average house
Hunting I will say good for bears good for moose OK for everything else
Good luck on your search
Oh yeah and if you work from home I just got installed fiber optic Internet it just amazing
And northern Ontario is way more than North Bay. Hahahahaha
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If you choose to look at any one location that suits "your needs" at that given time you may be placing your the future of your children in a precarious position.There are lots of advantages to being in the sticks lower house prices,closer hunting/fishing opportunities.But you need to look long term on these and ask the big questions.Will my children be able to get jobs up here,can I afford to send them to school for post secondary education.When I get older where is the nearest hospital that can handle the big stuff (cancer,heart).
I like my choice live in the GTA, close to everything Airports,Hospitals,Shopping and within 250klms of home in Mississauga, I,am at the cabin with Moose Bear and Deer.Best of both worlds and not stuck in either one.
Oh Ya, I've been down there a few times. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by superhunterguy
Where were you the Don Jail or Mimico.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Same boat as you OP;
pending medical release from military, going to school for 2 years in hometown (Hamilton) then moving somewhere out towards peterborough/barrie equivalent. Still good employment prospects and not too far from our family as we are a young family.
Well said. I can be downtown Toronto for work in just over an hour (no I don't like the city but that's where the best pay check is), or hunting less than a km from home. Plenty of great opportunities in southern Ontario for almost anything you want to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Bushmoose you sound like my father - retired up north and NEVER coming back haha !
Should mention that on the other side of the lifespan...if you've spent your life(?) living in a city to make money and are know ready for start enjoying life, Bushmoose is right, the North is the place to go. Places like Elliot Lake Retirement community is the perfect example of how to enjoy your retirement and the great outdoors.
http://www.retireelliotlake.com/
Are people actually saying that one can't raise a family in the country?
More a cautionary warning that not all family members, especially coming out of a city to the country, will adapt to the lifestyle. Lots of stories how your 'dream' you may not be theirs. Seen it myself many times..in fact how I got my place....a lonely 4 yr old child forced them to put the farm on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
Oh I understand that. I just noticed a couple of posts warning about things like schools and job opportunities. I thought that was a little odd. I've known many people raised in the middle of nowhere who now live perfectly normal, productive lives and are well educated; both in and out of the city.
Its pretty simple if you live in a place even in the very near north like Bancroft jobs for your kids are very limited.There is hydro,lumber and service jobs, that,s about it.Go north of that town and the prospects get even thinner.Nobody is saying that you cant be well educated and come from a small northern town,just saying you limit your kids futures to the available local jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
There comes a time when you have to push those kids out of the nest so they can learn to fly and make their own lives.
The best place to live is where you ultimately want to be depending on the lifestyle you want to live. Hope everyone is happy with that answer.lol
Cool, I'll live with our limited jobs and you stay away from my fish and wildlife. Hahahahaha. And stop making up stupid laws and regs that we don't need here cause ya'll over fished and hunted there. [emoji2]Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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I would but he,s 6ft 4ins.Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
Lots of great feedback let try another round.....any other thoughts?
I think Trimmer21 had it right but as a Pontypoolian born and raised, I am biased as well. Peterborough is nice but the smaller towns (Millbrook, Pontypool, Cavan, Bethany, etc) are better. Good schools, close to an urban centre when you need groceries, tones of good hunting and fishing opportunities. If I could get the wife on-board and find jobs in our respective fields, I would move back.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
As an aside, I know someone who is going to be putting a home up for sale in Pontypool....save a few $$ in fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Everyone here should know someone from Pontypool. We are awesome. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
So the movie wasn't a true reflection of the town Folks ..LOl..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
I'll sure drink to that,too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Well, 20 minutes North of Barrie is pretty good living.Quote:
Originally Posted by FAMABRAV
Lots of jobs as Barrie is growing fast.
Housing cheaper than down South but it isn't cheap.
Still country mentality and plenty of rednecks.
1 1/2 hour from downtown TO
1 hour from Pearson.
20 minutes for Georgian Bay
1/2 hour from Muskoka
45 minutes from lots of Crownland
Minutes away from lots of public Simcoe forest.
Minutes from good ice fishing on Simcoe.
Good water-fowling.
Friendly farmers
Enough deer and plenty of coyotes.
Overall you get the advantage of the city but you don't have to deal with the ones that populate it.
I'm a father and sole income. used to live in southern ontario and rent is sky high. buying a house on anything less than 60 K is tough in the market most southern cities. moved to sudbury area where you can make 35-40 k, have access to hospital and most things we had down south (except good sushi). big difference here is that you dont go knocking on doors to ask permission to hunt, crown land is usually in your backyard and there's more wildlife. you end up trading waterfowl for upland birds but the bear season is worth the turkey trade off. plus you can raise a family without breaking the bank and have some tax writeoffs for being northern. no e-test needed for cars... the list goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FAMABRAV
oh yeah, plus a 2nd draw for northerners for moose.
fishing is good too.
too bad i can't stay here for long. it's awesome.
Why can't you stay?Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrockerpj
Are taxes not ridiculously high, when compared to the surrounding areas like say, Espanola?Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrockerpj
Only on the weekends when ball tournaments are going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
It all boils down to the choice you make and does that include you right now or are you looking at long term.I will give you some examples my son right now works for the City and drives heavy equipment.He makes $29.00 an hour and gets all the usual union benefits and a good pension at the end.But right now heQuote:
Originally Posted by FAMABRAV
would need 1 million dollars to buy a home in this area and he lives at home.
He could go up and get a job with the Township doing the same work and would get $16.50 an hour with limited benefits and no pension.He could buy a home up here for $320,000.00 with some acreage.Now the gas up here is more expensive so are groceries and so is hydro and propane heating all more so than the city.
The big problem would be his own kids if he ever has any.There are next to no jobs up there and most pay minimum wages.
Access to medical is also very limited and getting a Doctor very difficult.So its all a trade off.
If you can work from home and have decent steady income coming in then it might work for you,but your family better really enjoy the outdoors,because all the stuff you get in the City is not here, sporting events,concerts,movies,.......
I live just inside the edge of Haliburton County. I grew up in the Durham region and still work there and commute daily. It is a lot easier than you might imagine. I don't have to tell a bunch of Outdoorsman about the opportunities that are available to me living where I do. When I moved up here (I am 53 now and I have been here for 15 years) I thought I would fish hunt and ATV every weekend. In actuality all I do is eat sleep drive and work LOL but you know what I love living where I do and my family is from the area many generations back. It is what it is everyones situation is different
Good God Gilroy, have you ever traveled outside the GTA? Your post is exactly why us northerners label the southerners as CITIOTS! I cant even begin to explain to you, the silliness of your post, cuz you just couldnt comprehend? Please, stay down there and keep your ilk with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Township worker at 16.5$/hour with no pension and benefit, no school, no medical aids, living in little huts covered with bison skin....... Mind-boggling!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I have a friend who's a Mechanic, if he worked in Kemptville (60 k's from Ottawa) he'd start at $16.50 If he goes into Ottawa, he'd start at $18.50. A difference of $16 a day...($2 'hr)... sounds good??? Think again.
The simplest calculation; it will cost him about $15 a day in Gas (120km round trip) for his truck AND he's spending close to 2 hrs a day commuting, vice a 15 minute drive to work in Kemptville.
The lure of Big $$ to work in the city gets eaten up in either realized costs or quality of live trade offs. My sister left a job in the GTA and took an $80K drop in salary.....moved to Kitchener. Her commute changed from an 1hr of bumper to bumper to 10 minutes..she could theoretical walk to work. She found, even with the pay cut, she still has far more money in her pocket at the end of the month and far more down time....
Go north young man go north..less pay , better quality of life.. :)
Well said Mike Pal!
A good friend of mine lives and works in Gravenhurst, he says more than 50% of the town goes on government assistance during the months when the tourists are not around to pay their wages,. So I guess the folks from the city are good for something.
I agree! Come up, spend your money, then pls. Get the f**k back where ya came from. Win win!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Chase the dream not the money.
I find it wierd I can go way the hell up north make 20 bucks an hour and most of the home's are are less than 150 thousand on average .
I took a 20 thousand pay cut to work where I do now. Sometimes it's not worth the money . I was working crazy hours so I never saw the kids or my wife . Next I was driving over 200 km a day in my own personal vehicle that is a oils change every month. If your vehicle is under warranty then you need a to keep up oil change at 5000km . Would need to buy a new vehicle every few years plus wear and tear plus other repairs.
When you blast through a 3 year warranty in a little over a year because of the kms it's not worth it . Now I work 15 minutes from home have plenty of time to spend with the family I don't need to spend 20 thousand on a car every 3 years plus another 120 bucks a week in gas.
My kids have everything they need or want that's what matters. The oldest is in college with a level head on Her shoulders.
What else can I ask for. Just in gas alone I saved 90 bucks a week plus 40 bucks moth oil change . I don't have a car payment to be made every made every month. I save my self a thousand bucks a month easy and save 10 hour a week not driving to the city every day.
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Yes Bushmoose I have traveled outside the GTA and I am up north more than half the year.Exactly what part of my post do you find not to your liking.Here are some facts you might not want to ignore, the local job is posted in Wollaston Township for the job I mentioned, the house price is my next door neighbors up north.The cost of a home in my neighborhood is exactly what was posted and I can send you examples.But as a Southerner I don,t mind being called a what you refer us as, I like being a down here, I,am pretty happy and comfortable.But you don,t appear to be as happy.Please tell us Southerners why Uncle Bushmoose is so unhappy.Is it because you have not earned a good pension or because your home is not worth a million dollars or that you still find yourself fighting to hunt on Crown land.Tell us why East of the Soo is so good, I am thinking of moving up there just so I can be as happy as you appear to be.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Yeh that,s real nice for you, have you figured out what yours kids will do for jobs when they reach that age.Short term gain for long term pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Simplistic thinking. A 900square foot woodclad bungalow just sold around the corner from me for over $900,000.00 Its being renovated for an additional 50 grand. Your investment in a home in Kemptville is not going to bring in anything like that in appreciation.A $150,000.00 house up north simply does not appreciate.Your access to land (Crown) remains that access only, not an investment.Short term gain for long term pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Now we know lots of folks cannot take the hustle and bustle of the big City life and competition for everything from housing to parking spots.Maybe better they live in upper rubber boot working for the most part in poorly paying jobs and hoping the local mill or mine does not shut down.
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Originally Posted by FAMABRAV
Well there you have it the answer to everybody,s dream move up to the Soo and be so fortunate as to be his neighbor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
P.S. Bush I hope your not being like this just to hog all that Crown land.
I live on lake simcoe there are endless amounts of work around here. Same as up north if you are willing to work there is plenty of work. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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Well your post stated you can go "way the hell up north" I was wondering why you posted from Port Bolster. I do not agree with you that there is plenty of work up north maybe you can give us examples from employment ad,s of all these available job postings....Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
I am 52 yrs old, born in Toronto, grew up in Mississauga and now live in Waterdown.
In 1979 I was 13 yrs old and never had a clue about Northern Ontario until the train disaster and a family friend in the Sault offered to house us because we were evacuated and had nowhere else to go. Let me tell you that was the greatest week and a half of my life. the second day I was there we went deer hunting and I rode my first dirtbike. I chopped wood for the first time and fished every day. It really gave me the love for the outdoors.
For various reasons I could never get the courage to make a move to the north. Sault St Marie, Sudbury or North Bay. Looking back, If I could do it all over again I would have started a family there. My kids are in their teens and would never agree to a move at this time in their lives.
I think it was said best when they say chase the dream and not the money!
Yea I can there as well .There is a house I'm interested in 84 thousand. 4 bed 2 bathroom . Also I know there is work there. Could of already lined up 20 an hr 40 to 50 hrs a week. . I choose to stay here awhile . I'm thinking about the investment of renting a house tho.
As for the kids working it's called they grow up get their license and find a job just like everyone else. Plenty of work up north you just have to be willing g to work. My mom lives in the far north she is bugging me to move up even jobs up 30 an hr.
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http://www.wollastontownship.ca/uplo...2013_draft.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Well boggle your mind some more,here is the posting and that is what it paid AND you have to use your own pick up truck to do the garbage collections.What a bonus, the local school might get closed, this is the third year it had to be saved.The local hospital is 30klms away and you better only need a few stitches or your into travelling to Belleville or Peterborough. If you need cancer treatment think Oshawa.Your not living in little huts covered with bison skin, your paying
$300,000.00 plus for a decent house.Again half the hamlet is on welfare.
If your ambition stretches to enjoying youself , screwing over your kids and having a nest egg from a 84 thousand house as their inheritance,go for it.My son has more than that in his pick up truck sitting in the driveway. Maybe some of the northern boys might want to stop playing, put in countless hours of overtime and get with the rest of the real world.Quote:
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And you shouldn't believe a words of what he say. Maybe it was one of those late night ;)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
That's not the only way for an inheritance. There are banks for a reason and not just to be In Debt with them . Use your money responsibly and you will have more money. I just picked up a crown Vic mint 90 thousand km it's paid for in one BIG payment. It will last many years came with all oil change and all the work papers with it since it was NEW. .
To each their own your son will be in Debt most of his life.
Let me think do I need a a 80 thousand dollar truck ? Nope
would I ever buy one nope. Like I said to each their own my kids will be fine without a house inheritance . Thanks for the wonderful tip tho the better my house the the better the kids are .
What about the people who work so hard to pay their bills and don't get to see there kids because they can't afford to stay home. Is this ok for the kids too .
Here is a tip why pay the bank interest when they can pay you ?. Manage your money you will have more.
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There are plenty of kids who grow up in the country side, go to university in TO, London or Kingston and do what they want afterwards. You don't screw them up because you don't live in a city, far from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You do what you got to do for your family. There is no shame one way or the other but life is better out of the city unless you like concrete.
I'm a licensed carpenter in Toronto. Renovations and additions mostly. Looking to leave the gta for good in a year and a half. Housing under 200k and a few acres is what we're looking for. My biggest concern is not having enough work. Probably just being paranoid and I have talked to tradesmen in the muskokas, kawarthas-even as far as Prince Rupert B.C. who say there is work for those who want to work. I really want out of the rat race but also want to stay busy or almost busy with work year round....Quote:
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Telling a thrifty Scotsman how to save money is pretty cheeky of you. LOL I,am driving a 17 year old truck,if it runs keep her going.I could pay juniors truck of in two seconds but I,am not going to because I want him to realize there are consequences to bad decisions.He will probably be in debt most of his life, arent we all. My wife stayed home all the kid,s life, so that is not an issue.My bank is paying me interest every month, thanks very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Well first off you probably will not be getting that house in the Muskokas or even the Kawarthas for under 200k. Your concern about work is well founded as you are in a trade where there is plenty of competition and the locals hire their own kin for jobs.Now you can work for cottagers and city folk but a lot is seasonal while they are up there.If your good and I am sure you are, you should be making a killing in the GTA in your trade.People tend to forget the long term costs with moving out the city for instance College or University for their kids in later years.Quote:
Originally Posted by c.ken.81
Kids are not in my future. We are seriously considering B.C. though. Houses and acreage is available for 200k. Also, I fortunately have some family in the okanagan valley who tell me it's booming out there with development right now. I just want close to steady work and a shot at owning a house provided by income from my trade. I make 30$+ an hour here but I hate the grind here. I'll never e able to own a house in Toronto (not that I want to) because I simply just don't make enough....Quote:
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I hope your not thinking to get a home in the Okanagan Valley in that price range?Quote:
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No lol. The plan would be to live on my uncle's property and work and save as much as we can. Then decide where we're going to go. We are planning a visit in the spring and will be checking out areas we may want to settleQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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So you understand that the house does not make up an inheritance. [emoji106]that's all I was getting at.Quote:
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We will all have some debt but we can also choose what is more important.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tj2zJ2WvgQuote:
Originally Posted by FAMABRAV
You won't find a house for 200k in Muskoka ( I lived there for 14 years and just moved last years) or Halliburton anymore but you will have no issue finding work. Especially right now and especially a carpenter! Gosh, if you don't have a job these days is because you don't want to work. A good carpenter can work all year around there if you play it right but most guys will take a few month off to take a break from working hard for three seasons. Lots of dock and inside work to get done in the winter though. You can see lumber been dragged on the ice on any lakes in Muskoka as soon as the ice is tick enough.... But Gilroy can't see that from the city...Quote:
Originally Posted by c.ken.81
I'm not sure what's the best way for you to figure it out but this forum is probably not the best.
Good luck!
As seabast has stated if your willing to work there is work .
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Literally unlimited work, year round for carpenters in Halliburton.
If you have any doubts try and find someone good to show up and work in that area.
People I talked to lately wouldn’t even quote jobs. There booked until spring.
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From your posts it's clear you have a warped sense of values? Is this lifestyle of your son making you a proud dad? He's still living off the hind teet of his mommy n daddy? Are you and your wife still doing his laundry? Oh wait, you're a liberal! Living off of other peoples efforts is what you prescribe to as a philosophy of life. Pathetic....Quote:
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Materialism will do that to people BM, warps their perception of what life is truly meant to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I never bought my 'home' with the thought of it being an investment, farthest thing from the decision process. It was a nice place to raise my family away from 'the mall' that influences so many young people. I don't plan to ever sell it so it's value is of no real concern to me and my kids will hopefully be in their 60's by the time it is handed to them.
I could never see any quality of life coming from living in a city, I choose to live a simpler life that provided me with Freedom 55 and a place to retire too that doesn't have a view of my neighbours back yard :)
I grew up in a tiny town (20 minutes drive to "the store" which was a gas station) and looking back almost nobody there appreciated the outdoors or took advantage of it. It was a lot of dope growers, drugs starting usually around age 13, drinking, drinking and driving, hippies that thought they were spiritual but really weren't in my opinion, not much variety of anything, and almost no work. The older generations did zero to try build businesses to employ the youth of ththe future or at least to try set things up for future generations, they only cared about their retirement cheques. The younger people either stay and lived at home getting deeper into addictions, supporting them by working at the mill 8 months a year or some kind of trade, sometimes dying young too OR they leave and go the city starting over from scratch.
I live in scarborough which in my opinion might be the bum hole of Canada. But in a funny way, I met a friend thru work who got me into hunting and I recently completed my hunting and firearms course and am reading about bush stuff daily trying to learn. That's something I don't think would have happened if I still lived in the country. Also, the variety of people's, cultures, food etc. has made me learn a lot and helped me grow a lot as a person, which doesn't happen to a lot (not all, but a lot) of country people who think they know everything and cling to that delusional idea repeating it every chance they get. I don't know everything either but I grew a lot more as a human being in the city than in the country, that's for sure.
In short, I learned more about hunting and nature in scarborough than I ever did in my small hometown, and I learned a lot more about life too. That's something to consider when it comes to raising children, not just real estate prices and saving a few bucks in gas getting to work and back (in my opinion).
I,am not to sure my kids will agree with that statement and just leave this million dollar place go to rack and ruin.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
I,am not happy about his buying that truck just mentioned it in relation to the price a person might pay for a country place.His lifestyle does not make me a proud dad at all,far from it,but he made a choice and will have to live with it and pay this truck off.Yes my wife and are are still doing his laundry and making his food and so forth.He does not pay rent either.I don,t know what living off others peoples efforts means in relation to this discussion.He has a full time job with full benefits and goes to work every day and pays his taxes,is there something wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
It you don,t have the means or have the means and chose not to do the same that is entirely your option. But you seem to come across on all your posts as being angry, why is that Bushmoose?
Geez I must be lucky, I retired at 48, view my house as a great investment,its increased in value by a factor of 10x over the last 30 years.If I don,t want to look into my neighbors garden I jump in my truck,drive 2 1/2 hours and stay on my 200 acre lot on a semi private lake. My kids can also do the same and enjoy the contrast afforded by both places.Maybe some of you guys are introverts and the country is the best place for you.BTW I managed to pull this off with one wage coming in and coming down with cancer at 48.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
R.I basically lived in Regent Park for the first 15 years of my career working there,I claim this place as the bum hole of Canada.LOL Your right about the country folk up this way I don,t think I have every seen anybody WALK except from their pick up trucks to get out and buy their cigarettes and lotto tickets.Some of them have figured out its cheaper to drive an hour to the Indian Reserve,buy contraband cig,s,waste $30.00 in gas and they are still ahead.I haven't figured out the math on that one. So yeh they are in pretty bad shape physically and you wont see many of them competing in marathons with their quiche eating Liberals in the City.LOLQuote:
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Can't blame the country or the northern people about the drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearpaw
I have lived in york region all my life there is more drugs than one could ever imagine. Go to any high school there is anything you could ever imagine want some mdma or some coke? What about the lsd or some meth The halls reak of burnt weed as you pass buy a group of kids. Yes kids.
As for the kids hiding in their home growing their addiction ,that is the parents responsibility to get a handle on things.
Trust me there is far more and a lot more drugs in the city. But you must be blind
Do you have kids in high school? Talk to them they will tell what people are on.
Yes my oldest daughter tried weed at the age of 15 she didn't like it she does not do drugs nor is she a smoker . Talk to your kids to many parents let their kids do what they want when they want and never ask any questions. To many parents say My kids are so perfect they wouldn't do anything like that ya right think again.
My kids know we are always watching . I'll drive to town at 2am for a coffee and they know that. They need there space yes but as a parent we are the ones responsible for there actions.
Could also be the parents that promotes the drug scene. Trust me I know and My kids don't hang out with those kids. To each their own.
Why do think the students kicked the cops out of the schools ? . They are slowing down the drug activity witch the kids don't like. What's wrong with a cop walking the halls nothing but far to many students have something to hide and feel threatened by them being there.
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"Why do think the students kicked the cops out of the schools ? . They are slowing down the drug activity witch the kids don't like. What's wrong with a cop walking the halls nothing but far to many students have something to hide and feel threatened by them being there."
That is not exactly how things went down, the vast majority of the kids surveyed supported the officers in the schools.The Toronto School board were the ones who decided to end the programme because a visible minority felt uncomfortable.So now the board will have to take their chances without the officers being there,God help the Board members if they get a shooting in the near future.In relation to drugs its a two edged sword, some kids start marijuana as a pain reliever from a work place injury, I have one of those.Other kids it helps in school, got one of those also with a University Degree in two subject,s and on the Deans Honour List. As a retired officer I am not in favor of it personally but I can tell you I was never attacked by a suspect high on grass.Now alcohol been attacked by lots of abusers,today they came out with alcohol being classified as a class one carcinogen,about time,maybe waken some people up.
Yea I forgot about the (blm) problem. But you know as do I the majority of the students who knows something will not tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I am not a judge nor do I judge anyone for any of the problems people have. There is usually some under line problem that put them there.
Alcohol is it's own problem I am not a drinker but can be . I only buy beer when I want beer batter fish . I'm sure every cop will agree with the green vs alcohol thing. I almost got beat up in grocery store by a lady when I said I could care less if the lcbo went on strike. There is good and bad in all race and color even if they are bad you can't judge them there is probably a good reason they are the way they are.
Back to the original topic of things . If I we're to move up north to where my mom lives. It would not screw my children like I said they grow up get their license and find a job just like everyone. In 3 directions from my mom's within the hr is anything you can think of the grocery store open 24 7 days a week just 2o minutes away. The 4th detection will put u on lake abitibi . There are drillers , loggers and miners all around. People still have electricity and homes need to be renovated street's still need to be plowed and fixed. Yes the garbage pick up is not fixed to the town . If you want to pick up garbage put a bid in for it. Cars need to fixed parks need to be cleaned lawns cut and ECT the list can go on and with job opportunities if your willing to work. Did I say lots of truckers and logging trucks around every where. Cops, ems ,firefighters, mnr position was posted when they first moved there. Did I forget to stop the list oh yea because it goes on and on.
That few dollars you could loose at city prices is non sence . .
And to answer your question to the switch I did was awesome I have 80 percent benifits,and have had multiple raises since I started I am still saving money at the place I am now. Yet I don't drive to the city and stay far away as I can lol. I spend more time with the family and that I think just as important.
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Your kid lives at home, works full time, has a truck worth $80K, you charge him no rent and do his laundry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You're not doing him any favours.
It's like a kid I know . His dad has millions in contracts for the snow removal. Sits at home drinks beer all day swipes daddy's card every day does not pay rent won't work . He is a momma boy he can't work in that hot Sun. But he doesn't like it when it snows everyday and daddy's PAYING out thousands a day when the books are tight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
At least Gilroy kids have a truck and are willing to work. Far to many young adults are way to lazy now a days.
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another consideration has come into view...
You'll soon have to live away from Urban Centers if you want to have Guns in your possession...
Seems your Liberal neighbours don't want you to have guns ..
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/12...ef=ca-homepage
Not angry Gilroy, simply fed up with your condescending attitude to those who live another lifestyle. The nonsense you spew insults me. It insults my family heritage, and it insults my friends and neighbours who have chosen to live, work and play up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
People have survived up here for generations. Families have been raised, homes built, life lived. As I mentioned previously, you have a warped sense of values, by my standards. Please don't try to patronize me and mine.
I know that now if only I could convince the wife,LOL its to expensive to get divorced at my age.Quote:
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I was just going to suggest that area. I don't live there but pass through it all the time. Barrie or Orillia areas would allow the family accesses to services and amenities, not far from outdoor spaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
Good luck. My wife and I have chosen to live in town because of all the perks for our kids and we are both 5 min to work. I would much rather live out in the country / further north but in town made the most sense for raising our family. Good luck!
EDIT: I lived and worked in Bancroft for 5 years and really like the town and area. However jobs are limited a bit, the fresh produce isn't as good or a bit pricier, not much to do entertainment wise. Friendly people and just enough amenities in town. Good friends of mine raised a family there but there were many trips to Peterborough or Ottawa.
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Originally Posted by Bushmoose
My stating what I have achieved in life should not amount to me "patronizing you", you have what you have and I have what I have,get over yourself pal.Your first quote I am sure will really attract people up to the SOO. LOLQuote:
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A happy wife makes a happy life.Quote:
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Immigrate to Quebec. Trudeau will set you up and cover all your costs.
Haha just make sure you come in illegally from the U.S. side.Quote:
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Nice one. HeyooooooooQuote:
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If you're looking for affordable property, great hunting, and amenities... look at Elliot lake. When the industries shut down they built their own retirement home industry.
Lots of Amenities. Great medical, high speed internet, and always jobs in town in support industries. It's a little remote, but that's northern living.
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I decided Shelburn. No family to raise, but lots of open space and places to hunt, fish and ski. all within 45min.
Good choice, nice area, I used to live up near New Lowell. Close to all the amenities you need but far enough away from the 'rat race' ..Quote:
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