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[COLOR=#333333]New to the Ottawa area and Ontario.... benefits of hunting on the quebec side seem to out weigh the convenience of hunting on the ontario side....When i ask about hunting on Quebec side people say....More crown land,bigger more abundant animals,cheaper land for hunt camps....Only disadvantage i see is licence fees.....So why don't more people fish and hunt in Quebec?:confused:
Lot's of crown land just 1 hour from Kanata.
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Originally Posted by steelshot
Well, lotsa reasons i supposed, added cost being the major. But also most people don't live near a provincial border like you. Hunting land within most people's provinces are closer, so why bother? that's usually the answer.
Also the addition of knowing a new provinces laws and seasons is a hurdle. it's hard enough to know the laws of one province.
But, i'm with you, i hunt in Quebec, the maritimes and Ontario, i grew up in quebec though, and am a landowner there, so it's simpler for me (also much of my family is in the maritimes so i have opportunities there.) i might be moving to Ottawa this summer, so we will really be in the same boat then!
Also the language barrier can turn some people off. It can create issues getting involved with hunting private lands and things like that as well....
Also, us Quebecors are awful drivers, be aware haha make sure you have winter tires too...
We would like to buy some land for a hunt camp....Im wondering if the cost of land being cheaper in Quebec would off set the licence fees being higher....When i look at topo maps of ontario and Quebec....The Quebec side is just littered with crown land and lakes....
I would go there for moose but I would stick with my side of the river for everything else. Land is not any cheaper, you just have to look for land in Ontario.
Houses are definitely much cheaper in Quebec as is land, I don't think there is any disputing that. My father used to hunt there and he used to bring me before I was old enough to hunt. I also hunted deer there the first few seasons after getting my license. We hunted private land. To be honest, the terrain was so much more interesting than the flat, boring terrain that I hunt in eastern Ontario.
As others mentioned, I think the cost for non-residents turns many off. I don't know what the situation is now, but when I hunted there, non-residents could not obtain an antlerless tag.
If I was invited to hunt in Quebec by someone I knew, I would probably try it again, especially if they hunted private land. I really enjoyed hunting there.
I guess if you hunt the old river bed east of Ottawa, go an hour north west of the city and you are in to some hilly stuff with lots of deer and bear. I don't know what land goes for in the QC but $50K for 100 acres on this side of the river depending on where you go is definitely reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by rf2
The going rate for land in this part of Ontario is twice that, unless you are talking swampland. Northern Ontario is a different story, but the distance starts to become a problem. Just across the river you can find decent land for quite a bit cheaper and much closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Just be carefull when you looking up along the River, both sides...the Native Land claim issues are spooking a lot of owners.
Not many places where you can pick up land for that price that has road access to it. Lanark and Renfrew counties, if its not swamp, it starts at about 1000 an acre if you're buying 100 acres or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I owned a cottage NE of Temiscaming for a few years. Fishing and hunting licenses are pretty prohibitive ( even if you own property, technically you're still a non-resident.
Fishing was good. One of the biggest impediments to hunting over and above the fees is the language barrier. QC has lots of Crown land, but unlike Ontario, there isn't a crown land use atlas which can be easily referenced. Finding a block of unused land that appears to be Crown is fine, but in many cases there are land use leases, and other arrangements. You then encounter some locals on the road, and have a difficult time determining if in fact it's crown or not.
For me, the headaches outweighed the presence of game.
Native land claim is for crown land only, they cannot pull the land out from private owners, just the crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
There is an island by my buddies fish camp, it looks like it will be part of the claim, I just hope it does not get sold to a resort or something like that.
Don't know if it is still like this, but for a long time they had no party hunting for deer, and it was enforced. If you go to hunt camp for a week with a gang, shoot a deer on day one, then your trip and season were over! I much prefer allowing a few less tags and allowing party hunting.
Also, if you don't get out a bunch of times in a season, non-resident license fees can be prohibitive. $100 or more for a day of small game hunting can be a bit of a turnoff, or several hundreds for a day of big game hunting. But that is the same for Quebec residents wanting to come to Ontario. I don't mind charging out of country residents high rates, which isn't that much compared to a week's lodging and guiding. But the provinces are missing out by having such high fees for someone right across the provincial border, that might just want to pop over by themselves or go hunting with a friend in the other province for the day now and then.
I'd be more worried about the Land Claim affecting access to your property. The Land Claim may also change the land use around your property. Wonder what my camp will be worth after the Land Claim is settled? I know it won't improve with the FN land use all around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
The presence of ZEC licenses as well as the provincial licenses may discourage some out of province users. The language barrier is a huge issue as well. My impression overall though is one of admiration. Quebec seems to have much better fishing opportunities as a result of better fisheries management. They don't allow a lake to get cleaned out as it would in Ontario (within a ZEC).
I hear the fishing is well worth it, for Deer I know a few people who go and I would probably consider moose hunting there over Ontario, but the language issue is huge and I do not see a savings when it comes to land use.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
As for the land claim, it all depends on where you are located. Access to your property over Crown land has never been a for sure thing, lots of leases out there to inhibit that. I have a lot of family up near the south end of Algonquin Park, a lot of that is part of the land claim, they are more concerned about losing their traditional hunting and fishing lands then access to private properties, but that may be the case in some situations.
I guess I look at the land claim more like a sale of Crown land (which does happen), although it is to the FN it is still just a transfer of ownership.
Don't have a clue. Cause I doQuote:
Originally Posted by steelshot
I deer hunt in the Pontiac not far over the river from Renfrew. Get your deer license at the depaneur. I stay at the wife's parents place. The only different rule over there is you have to take the deer to a check point so they can record your and the deer's information. Lots of English speaking towns and villages in the Pontiac. Give it a try. You can also join a hunt club that runs their own zones (Zec's).
Ya still pretty fair deer numbers. Real good round Ladysmith. They're numbers are down a hair but they had way more than Ontario to begin with (better management). Moose on the other hand, different storyQuote:
Originally Posted by arclight
These rules for Apr 1 2016 - Mar 31 2018 were copied from the mffp site below:
http://mffp.gouv.qc.ca/english/publi...-residents.asp
Specific rules applicable to non-residents
A non-resident may not obtain a resident's hunting licence.
He is not obliged to possess a hunter's certificate to obtain a hunting licence or an attestation to hunt wild turkey. He may hunt indiscriminately with a firearm, a crossbow or a bow the species deemed to be game. However, he must use the hunting implements authorized for each of the species according to the hunting periods in force.
The holder of a hunting permit for non-residents domiciled in Canada must:
- when hunting large game (caribou, moose, white-tailed deer and black bear) or American woodcock, use at least two services offered by an outfitter, including lodging, except if hunting in a wildlife reserve or controlled harvesting zone (ZEC).
The holder of a hunting licence for non-residents who is not domiciled in Canada must:
- when hunting large game (caribou, moose, white-tailed deer and black bear) or American woodcock, use at least two services offered by an outfitter, including lodging, except if hunting in a wildlife reserve.
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, if the holder of a non-resident's hunting licence hunts large game north of the 52nd parallel or in the southern part of Area 19 east of Rivière Saint-Augustin, he or she must use the services offered by an outfitter, although these services need not necessarily include lodging.
In addition, the exceptions listed in the previous paragraph do not apply in these circumstances.
- a person born in Québec who owns a real estate property;
- a person who has lost his or her status as a resident for the purpose of studying outside the province, for the duration of his or her studies;
- a member of the Canadian Armed Forces or the RCMP, operating in the province;
- a member of the staff of a foreign consulate or embassy who resides in the province;
- a non-resident who owns the land on which he or she is hunting, and the members of that person’s immediate family hunting on that land;
- a non-resident who is accompanied by a member of his or her immediate family, where that immediate family member is a resident and holds the appropriate hunting licence.