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but the adapter that refills them from a 20 lb tank .. you will save a bundle of money
I refill my own !!!
Home Depot has a 4 and 6 pack on for a good price (can't remember exactly what it was, but about 30% less than CT).
However, I refill mine too. Costs about $2-3 per. Really handy to have a digital weight scale (go on sale for $10 occasionally) so you know for sure that they are full.
The 2 pack at Walmart is $7
Is it very difficult to refill them, I know they recommend not to do it, but they sell the tool in the US.
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Originally Posted by rick_iles
I refill them, it is very easy Greatwhite
The valves on the new 20 lb tanks were designed to stop DIY refills. The 5 and 10 lb tanks are still available to use with a hose kit though.
When you open the relief valves on the little tanks and get liquid propane, that means they are full and still have the expansion chamber empty. This occurs normally when you are refilling them.
As posted already, it's easy to fill them. I only fill mine about 3/4 full. If you google filling them, there's some good info.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
haven't filled any myself, but would be something I might do (if the DIY kit is cheap enough).
does anyone know how to prevent overfilling; do the little green tanks have a relief valve (e.g. filled in the winter, stored in the sun in the summer)? or do you have to rely on a scale reading?
Check places like Sail... I've found they have better prices on fuel (propane, coleman naptha/white gas)
No such thing as overfill, the small tank equalizes o the pressure in the larger tank.
You obviously know nothing about filling propane tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody1948
The 20 lb tank is placed valve down. After I attach the small tank, I use a pair of needle nose pliers to pull the relief valve open...open the 20, and when I see liquid spurt from the open relief valve, I close the 20 valve. You tube has good info...you should weigh them to make sure there's only 1 lb. I found that I'm usually not quite full. I have had some problem tanks where the relief valve won't completely seal, and they leak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waftrudnir
I also bought the adapter to fill my own but now for the most part i use my 5lber with the hose and filter for my buddy heater and then get it refilled at Costco for $2.34 which is an amazing deal.
I had read that too, but my tanks at home seem to be fine, they are the propane swap-system. So either not all tanks have this yet, or perhaps it just isn't effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by patvetzal
It is EASY to test your tank. Just screw in the refill adapter, turn the tank over and open the valve (without the 1lb tank attached). You will get a stream of liquid propane at very high pressures.
Dangerous? You bet! Just do a quick shot outdoors. Don't let the propane hit you as it can cause instant "cold" burns.
AS for the questions about overfilling - Yes you can overfill them, but to be honest it is generally much harder to get them to fill all the way, most of the time they only get to about 3/4 full.
Use a weigh scale. Measure before and after filling, looking for a 450g or 16Oz change.
Make sure the 1lb tank is completely empty before you start as even a small amount of remaining propane liquid in the small tank will prevent it from filling. However, do not let the tank stand open (ie. don't put a torch on the tank and leave the valve open for an hour). Mixing air and propane inside the tank is very bad. You just want to release the pressure until there is no liquid left.
I'm with middlewick on this one. I have a 10 lb'er that's indispensable on overnight fishing trips. Its easy to carry and doesn't take up much space or weight.
A 5 lb'er would be absolutely ideal for a fishing shack or treehouse and the price of a refill makes it even more attractive.
I've seen about 40 one pounders refilled, (following the recommended procedure), using the mac adapter. They were all weighed before and after and ALL of them can in well under what a factory filled one pounder cylinder weighed. I don't know how they could be overfilled.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarkner
Propane was $12+HST for a 20 pounder at Costco last year. You can save bundle of money if you use a lot of the small tanks and choose to refill.
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Originally Posted by JUDGE
I have refilled a led a lot more than you have ever used.
The refilling procedure has been discussed here many times before, and I have posted the information on this in the past, but here goes again.
If you are going to refill cylinders, please don't transport them in a vehicle with anyone else. If you want to blow yourself up, that is fine, but to take an unsuspecting individual along just isn't right.
Some think that if you fill them until liquid just starts to come out the Schrader valve, a 1 lb will not be over filled. This is absolutely incorrect. The proper max fill on a propane cylinder is 80%m filling the way you describe will put it closer to 95%. If necessary, I can dig up the pictures of a cutaway 1 lb cylinder and post them again along with all the info on what the cylinder ends up filled to.
But then again, I do speed, which is also dangerous, so go ahead and refill your 1 lb cylinders and transport them in the trunk of your car, at least you won't get ticket.
WOW same price as a Coffee and box of Timbits...scandalous I say !! HaHa...Quote:
Originally Posted by deerslayer
We are talking about refilling with LIQUID propane. You can overfill them if you tip them while connected to the donor tank but you will spray propane and loose some.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody1948
The relief valve is designed to leave some gas space at the top of the tank. When you fill them, you stop when you get liquid propane coming out of the relief valve. Just release the relief valve, AND THEN close the donor valve.
Dont know where this idea of draining completely or having air in the tanks come from. One pound of liquid propane and gas mix is what you bought. Check Boyles law to get the pressure....which varies with the temperature. The vapour pressure stays in line with the temperature as long as there is ANY liquid propane...
Therse gauges that you add to your tank will give the same reading with a full tank or 1/4 tank.....
Make sure the 1lb tank is completely empty before you start as even a small amount of remaining propane liquid in the small tank will prevent it from filling. However, do not let the tank stand open (ie. don't put a torch on the tank and leave the valve open for an hour). Mixing air and propane inside the tank is very bad. You just want to release the pressure until there is no liquid left.[/QUOTE]
Think I understand your problem now....We are using a combination of gravity and pressure to fill the one pounders ( or five or ten pounders) When the donor tank is upside down, the valve discharges liquid propane and as long as the pressure in the donor tank is higher than the small tank it only takes a few seconds. The easy way to do this is pull the relief valve with needle nose pliers. If you do not crack the valve than you are just filling very slowly due to gravity.
As you release propane from the large tank, the remaining liquid cools which drops the pressure so you also have to keep the donor tank warmer than the small one.
Sure you can create a dangerous condition if you have a leaky valve. This is why we spit on any valve that we release, to check for bubbles, just like on your tires. If you trap propane in your trunk you could cause a problem when your trunk light switches on.....This is why you are not supposed to transport ANY fuel tanks in the trunk....but you seldom have a choice.
How...do tell... we are talkin gabout the 1lb tanks right. I go thru alot of these in the Truck camper as light with the coleman mini lantern that screws on top. I get my propane at COSTCO (20-30lbs tank) but I would be interested in how you fill the 1lb tanks?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
If you read the rest of the thread, it's explained. There's also good you tube videos on the subject. Basically, you get the adapter that goes from your 20lb tank to the 1lb tank. Have the 20 upside down. Pull the relieve valve on the small tank open with needle nose pliers. Open the bulk tank valve until liquid propane spurts from the relief valve. Shut the valve then close the valve on the bulk tank. Caution though, liquid propane will burn (freeze) your skin. Always have lots of ventilation, or outdoors is best.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to...osable-propan/
Think I will probably go with a 5 or 10 pound tank instead only costs about 2 - 5 bucks to fill.
Thats probably best, if the extra size and weight doesn't matter. I have a 5lb tank as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
The price of buying a refilable 5lb tank is more outrageous than what CT is charging for a 1 lb colemanQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I think I paid over $40 for the 5 lb tank, but it works great.
I run a 20ln tank in my ice hut to a medium size Mr Buddy heater which lasts 60 to 80 hrs run time. and a 5lb tank to a small mr buddy in my clam that's get 20 hrs out of.
The 5lb tank and a hose costs about 60$, and 4.25$ at pioneer for a refill. It pays for itself after about 10 1lb tanks or a couple weekends ice fishing. I've got a Rubbermaid the tank heater and hose mr buddy sits in !
It works awesome
Refilling is like walking on thin ice. Its not very smart, but you'll do it anyways. The real difference is that refilling a 1lber is illegal, and you put yourself in a liable position. I work with gaseous and liquid fuels, and compressed gases daily and do everything i can to admonish my self of any liabilities. Easier to sleep at night.
Noticed that the 1lb tanks are only $5.99 at Wally World...save a $1.Quote:
Originally Posted by deerslayer
There is also a clearance on the 2 pack for $7 at your local store.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Grab them while still available!
http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/propane-.../6000075838858
I saw one of those 2 packs, but there was no price on it..I should have had it scanned.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
My wife uses the tall bottles for her glass graft and goes thru a bottle a week. It's not bad at $6. I haven't priced them in the US yet, but heading down on Thurs and will look at WalMart and TSC there.
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Originally Posted by DUXX
X2 I also worker in the compressed gas industry for 40 years.
Now here's the kicker. Why is the valve legal to buy? I suspect these tanks need to be built good enough just incase.
Myself I think I am going to buy either a 5 or 10 pound tank just less hassle.
when I refill the 1lb bottles with adapter I will put the 1lber in the freezer for about 1/2 hour take and connect to large bottle turn upside down and fill abit put in freezer again for 1/2 hour and fill again the small tank and propane should weigh 2lbs you can go to 2 1/4 but not over that or when using tank inside hut and it warms up the increased pressure may make your heater really blow some flames if your not using a good regulator after filling bottles usually cap or tape top of bottle to keep dirt and moisture out. remember practice safe fill and storage
Got home and Youtubed it last night. Pretty cool, I like the scissor method
Whenever I think of propane I think of trailer park boys http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...fdb92bb8d8.jpg
Think this is the clip?Quote:
Originally Posted by cantcatchacold
WARNING explicit language.
https://youtu.be/ldoT2mHubGE
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I went with a 5lbs a couple of years ago but I wish I went with a 10, it fits perfectly into a milk crate.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
A 5 pounder give roughly 6 full days of fishing for 7$.
Had a bunch of 5 and 10 lb tanks that just needed revalving (about $25 at a dealer) but only found a home for one of them. Still have a few but will not deliver.....
I'll keep that in mind when I get up that way. Hoping to get after some specks toward the end of the month.Quote:
Originally Posted by patvetzal
I'll PM you
My wife uses the tall metal bottles in her hobby fixture....so I priced those at Wally World U.S today.. they're only $2.67 U.S. so I bought 1/2 dozen. A 2 pack of the 1lb stubbies was only $6. Heck of a deal comparatively.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Might have to wait for some snow to go....only 1-2 in the barn right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by middlewick
At this point, the 1 lb cylinder is overfilled and dangerous, so what do you do after that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
If you shut the main tank off just as propane is beginning to spurt, they are not overfilled. When weighed, they are less than full.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulR
If you cut a tank apart you will find that the relief valve extends down into the tank so it starts to spirt well before the tank is full of liquid. If you leave it in the hot sun and the valve starts to vent, well it is just doing its job....
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Originally Posted by rick_iles
In actual fact, if you fill until it spits from the valve, it is over filled. A propane cylinder is considered full when it contains 80% of it's water capacity. On a refillable cylinder, the dip tube, the end of the spitter valve, goes far enough down to reach the liquid when it is at the 80% level. The relief valve on the 1 lb cylinders don't go that low, they will spit out propane at close to the 95% level leaving only 5% for expansion. You can compress a gas, but not a liquid, so as the propane expands due to heat it quickly fills that 5% leaving no place to expand. At that point the cylinder is filled with liquid which can't be compressed so the pressure rises very rapidly opening the valve and releasing the propane liquid, which then expands by 270 times the volume of the liquid.Quote:
Originally Posted by patvetzal
Of course once the cylinder has been used and the level drops, this isn't an issue, but transporting after filling,,,,, one never knows just how much is in there.
Be safe.
Haven't seen a refillable one pound bottle since the days of drive in theatre heaters.....LOL
Well that bought back a memory....going with 5 kids to the Drive-In in Lethbridge Alberta in our 1960 Rambler Station Wagon. I vaguely remember a heater, don't remember if it was elec or gas....Thanks Pat !!Quote:
Originally Posted by patvetzal
Around Toronto they were propane, came lit and hung on the window. We once managed to sneak one out, then couldn't figure out how to shut it off.....didn't realize all we had to do was unscrew the bottle.
Don't think they sell the refill valve here in Canada. Only in the United States. They are illegal to sell up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
$15.29 on Amazon Canada + $0.99 for shipping to your door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Bass Man
https://www.amazon.ca/Iglobalbuy-Pro...propane+refill
Not illegal to own or use, just illegal to transport a refilled cylinder. A CYA move by the government as there is no way to tell if a tank has been refilled or not. Even new tanks have been known to leak when you remove the appliance.
Not really a danger of the tank exploding but more a case of the propane being trapped in a car trunk or bedroom closet....
The ones you see online are suppliers in the United States that are selling them. Try to find one on any Canadian Camping or Outdoors stores.
Might have to go online....Amazon.ca
Hi Pat,
They are illegal to use. It is stated in the ontario regulation that anyone handling or transfer liquid or gaseous fuels must hold a " record of training". In the b149.2 propane handling and storage code, it states that 1lb cylinders cannot be refilled.
Just an FYI. As this is what tssa would use in case of an incident to charge you.
Once again big brother has saved us....
I think found one at Princess Auto yesterday and also at CTC on GreenBank as well. I just have to print this picture to ensure its the same. Both siad they were a 20lb to 1lb adapter. I might be wrong but will let you know. $17.99 each store.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Bass Man
Trust me very few people you see refilling your containers have the course.
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Originally Posted by DUXX
I don't think that you are going to find anyone working at a propane dispenser that doesn't have a P3 licence, the risks are just too great. Look what happened when something went wrong in Toronto just a few years back.
I think that you may find that they are adapters to allow the use of a proper refillable cylinder in place of a 1 LB cylinder, not an adapter to fill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Actually I know lot's of places, in fact when I was 16 did it all the time. Probably not as many places now that they have those swaps. But yeah most gas stations usually only trained one person and then they trained the rest. This was very common at most gas stations.
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Originally Posted by PaulR
What I really would like to know is why is it considered safe in the US but not Canada? Their tanks look the same or are they made different?
I think its ok if you want to fill em up. But its alway good to know what your getting into.
It is still illegal to transport them if refilled in the US as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Why is a 4" barrel ok in the states but prohibited here? Ditto with a 32 or 25 caliber revolver, 13 shot magazine, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
10 bucks now for 1 lb @ can tire
I refill my own from a 20 lbs tank. Saves tons of money.
https://www.amazon.ca/Regulator-Cyli...NsaWNrPXRydWU=
It wasn't that long ago I was buying the 3 pack at Walmart for $6.99Quote:
Originally Posted by warningshot
I worked at a Turbo gas station on Taunton Road in Oshawa back in the early eighties. My buddy was working the graveyard shift and a propane powered cab drove to the pumps for a fill at around 3am. My buddy was fast asleep in a chair at the till. The cabby was pissed so he filled his cab and left without paying (was caught on the security cam). Problem is he didn't have a P3 and didn't know he had grossly overfilled the tank. He didn't even make it out of the parking lot. The security cam shows him cross the road, then hit his turn signal. The cab explodes in a ball of fire - blows the back window out, peels both rear quarters and blows the rear trunk lid off. Lifts the back of the car a good three feet off the road. I remember the boss said to the cabbie " thanks for using Turbo, and don't worry, there's no charge on the fill" !.
I've looked into these. Illegal to use in Ontario, I'm just going to lug the 20lb around
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Originally Posted by impact
You can buy them from amazon I have one.
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Originally Posted by m1k3_88
I bought my adapter back in the day when it was SIR not cabelas and I think it's saved me well over a thousand in not buying the 1lb cylinders. Also instead of dragging around that 20lb I also use a 5lb tank I can refill it 4 times for the cost 3 1lb tanks from ctc.
technically they might be, but how is anyone ever going to know if the one hooked up to my heater is refilled or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by m1k3_88
You can actually buy refillable 1lbers if you want, but they are pricey as well.
The difference is those "pricey" ones are made to be refilled.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
I know, that's why I called them "refillable"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman