Bill C-246

FYI
Sopuck concerned with Liberal MP’s animal rights bill
February 26, 2016

Ottawa, ON – Today Robert Sopuck, Member of Parliament for Dauphin-Swan River-Neepawa and the Official Opposition Critic for Wildlife Conservation and Parks Canada, is concerned with a Liberal Member of Parliament’s bill that would drastically change the status of animals in Canada.

Read More: http://www.robertsopuck.ca/news-ridi...l-rights-bill/

Here is the bill itself:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicati...&DocId=8132005

The fact is that cruelty to animals will inevitably be moved from property crimes to crimes against public morals because this is our cultural view of animals. This is true of people on this board also, as we see whenever there is a thread about dogs being shot or acts of blatant cruelty: people condemn the perpetrator on moral grounds, not on the grounds that he has damaged or destroyed property.

The previous attempt to enact that change included specific protections for agriculture, hunting, and fishing, and it ought to have passed. But it did not, and so now we step backwards, to a version that simply promises to criminalize any act of cruelty, although legal justification or excuse and colour of right are defences. This should be a very simple matter yet Ottawa continually messes it up.

I see the bill also contains a provision to block the importation of fur products.

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It also amends the Textile Labelling Act to modify requirements in respect of animal hair and fur and cat and dog skin, hair and fur.
It also amends the Canada Consumer Product Safety Act to add products made in whole or in part of dog or cat fur or skin to Schedule 2 to that Act to prohibit those products from being imported into Canada or manufactured, advertised or sold in Canada.

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see thread: http://www.oodmag.com/community/show...%91Faux%92-Fur

A liberal majority government. What could go wrong? Hopefully the Senate can delay it long enough to kill it by the next election because right now all someone has to say is "Harper was against it" and JT will champion it.

A Liberal majority, yet this is still a private member's bill.

Liberal MP and Liberal majority. What could go wrong?

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Originally Posted by Ugo

I trust that our Liberals will do what is right for Ontarians. It is doubtful they would unilaterally change or enact policies for a self-serving agenda or simply to garner votes. We must trust them implicitly, to look after the best interest of Ontarians first and to enact policies that represent our wishes - with special consideration for outdoors lovers, hunters, fishers, trappers - rather than forcing change upon us.
Look at the improvements in our health care, especially for seniors. And, how about energy enhancements like the wind turbines that dot our landscape maintaining low energy costs to Ontarians for many years to come. Taxation - I firmly believe Ontarians lead the world and not just this country in taxation strategies.
And that's why we voted a Liberal majority because Ontarians especially those in Toronto, are of superior intelligence, worldly and aware of what the various parties truly represent at their core. I sleep better at night knowing we have a Liberal majority, and so should you.

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What ever your doctor has you on...I'll take a pound of it...:whacked:

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Originally Posted by Ugo

I trust that our Liberals will do what is right for Ontarians. It is doubtful they would unilaterally change or enact policies for a self-serving agenda or simply to garner votes. We must trust them implicitly, to look after the best interest of Ontarians first and to enact policies that represent our wishes - with special consideration for outdoors lovers, hunters, fishers, trappers - rather than forcing change upon us.
Look at the improvements in our health care, especially for seniors. And, how about energy enhancements like the wind turbines that dot our landscape maintaining low energy costs to Ontarians for many years to come. Taxation - I firmly believe Ontarians lead the world and not just this country in taxation strategies.
And that's why we voted a Liberal majority because Ontarians especially those in Toronto, are of superior intelligence, worldly and aware of what the various parties truly represent at their core. I sleep better at night knowing we have a Liberal majority, and so should you.

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been snacking on the kibble again eh?

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Originally Posted by Ugo

I trust that our Liberals will do what is right for Ontarians. It is doubtful they would unilaterally change or enact policies for a self-serving agenda or simply to garner votes. We must trust them implicitly, to look after the best interest of Ontarians first and to enact policies that represent our wishes - with special consideration for outdoors lovers, hunters, fishers, trappers - rather than forcing change upon us.
Look at the improvements in our health care, especially for seniors. And, how about energy enhancements like the wind turbines that dot our landscape maintaining low energy costs to Ontarians for many years to come. Taxation - I firmly believe Ontarians lead the world and not just this country in taxation strategies.
And that's why we voted a Liberal majority because Ontarians especially those in Toronto, are of superior intelligence, worldly and aware of what the various parties truly represent at their core. I sleep better at night knowing we have a Liberal majority, and so should you.

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Good Lord surely you jest! If not than I guess your entitled to your opinion and hopefully the provincial drug plan covers whatever you are taking.

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Originally Posted by Ugo

I sleep better at night knowing we have a Liberal majority....

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sounds like the mantra for "Sunny Ways"

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Originally Posted by Ugo

I trust that our Liberals will do what is right for Ontarians. It is doubtful they would unilaterally change or enact policies for a self-serving agenda or simply to garner votes. We must trust them implicitly, to look after the best interest of Ontarians first and to enact policies that represent our wishes - with special consideration for outdoors lovers, hunters, fishers, trappers - rather than forcing change upon us.
Look at the improvements in our health care, especially for seniors. And, how about energy enhancements like the wind turbines that dot our landscape maintaining low energy costs to Ontarians for many years to come. Taxation - I firmly believe Ontarians lead the world and not just this country in taxation strategies.
And that's why we voted a Liberal majority because Ontarians especially those in Toronto, are of superior intelligence, worldly and aware of what the various parties truly represent at their core. I sleep better at night knowing we have a Liberal majority, and so should you.

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You'd better say you are being sarcastic :silly: Ugo or you are going to get a ton of abuse on here. LOL

It's OK Sharon, we can tell when someone has been sipping the Kool Aid :)

My ref to Kool Aid comes from a mass suicide from followers of Jim Jones in Johnstown back in 1978 were the 'followers' blindly drank the Kool-Aid.

ie; the phrase "drink the Koolaid" has come to mean, "Don’t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side." or "Whatever they tell you, don't believe it too strongly".

(not so funny when it has to be explained :))

Ugo has the right attitude. When things are so F'd up like here in Libranoland unless we start laughing among us and at ourselves the days are just too long.

Yes. I have one in 2nd year and another starting in 18 months so the cost of tuition is basically climbing now by 30%. I will be out an extra $4k for tuition. Add in pension tax and looming carbon tax, hydro increases and that cackling con artist has likely taken minimum $8k out of my disposable income. I'm not a 1% guy. That amount will definitely hurt my family. Sunny days eh?

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Originally Posted by Ugo

Here's the latest. You might not be able to afford paying for your child's post secondary education but be happy in the fact that you can pay for someone else's. Allow me to reword that, "You WILL pay for someone else's."
Hmmm.....I hope I'm invited to the graduation ceremony(s)!

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Thanks for reminding me. Perhaps my blood pressure was too low anyway.

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Originally Posted by welsh

A Liberal majority, yet this is still a private member's bill.

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Yup, and like almost all private member's bills it will die before it goes anywhere.

JBenn and I had words with the Bill's author last night on Facebook, the rest of you should join in. There are a lot of Petafiles supporting this.

Here's the link;

https://www.facebook.com/beynatemp/p..._t=share_reply

Roe+

At least this fellow has earned the right to an opinion having 4 rehabilitated pitbulls himself.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/03/09/to...save-pit-bulls

I feel badly for the staff who have to go into the kennels of these not rehabilitated dogs to cleanup , change bedding feed etc.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/03/10/pi...est-in-chatham

As Weirner said earlier there are hundreds of dogs on death row in the SPCA shelters who would be fabulous pets and are gentle creatures. Then you have 21 pitbulls who were specifically bred to fight and kill. These breeders are not nice people and any dog that is alive in their breeding program was seen as a killer. They bred and raised these Pitts to fight and kill. The mild ones likely got used as practice/training meat by the killers, they die in horrible deaths. The idiots should rehome the dogs that aren't a menace to people and dogs. The poor dogs who will be getting the blue juice but don't have star power or activists fighting for them deserve to be first in line for adoption.

Received this today:

[COLOR=#FF0000]Action Alert-Delta Opposes C-246

Delta Waterfowl is alerting its members to recently introduced animal cruelty legislation in Canada, Bill C-246. Delta Waterfowl has serious concerns over the legislation’s potential impact on hunting.

Bill C-246, the “Modernizing Animal Protections Act,” was introduced Feb. 26 into the House of Commons as a law to ban importation of shark fins. However, the proposed legislation also would change important legal language regarding treatment of all animals. The Bill does not specifically exempt accepted practices associated with hunting, fishing and trapping. Further, it doesn’t provide protection for ranchers and other uses of animals.

“This is a bad piece of legislation,” states Jim Fisher, Delta Waterfowl’s director of conservation policy. “The definitions of animal cruelty in C-246 are so broad that hunters, anglers, ranchers and others could be prosecuted for their normal activities. We can’t stand by and watch this attack on hunting, fishing, animal agriculture and other legitimate animal use.”

Delta Waterfowl is asking our members to contact their Members of Parliament and express their concerns over C-246.

some feedback from the Outdoor community;

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/this-...al-rights-bill

Sounds like the Governemt wants to kill the bill...

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I'll cut right to the chase: Canada is failing its animals, and it is time for change. Given the chance to modernize the out-dated and woefully inadequate animal cruelty provisions in the Criminal Code of Canada 13 times over the past 16 years, our lawmakers have consistently declined to protect animals.

Yesterday during the first hour of debate for Bill C-246 in the House of Commons, Bill Blair, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice, said without a hint of irony that the Government of Canada would like to kill Bill C-246 in favour of studying animal cruelty amendments as part of a larger review of the whole Criminal Code.

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Actually a good pro/con summary in the article, worth the read;

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/barbara...b_9888424.html

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Originally Posted by MikePal

My ref to Kool Aid comes from a mass suicide from followers of Jim Jones in Johnstown back in 1978 were the 'followers' blindly drank the Kool-Aid.

ie; the phrase "drink the Koolaid" has come to mean, "Don’t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side." or "Whatever they tell you, don't believe it too strongly".

(not so funny when it has to be explained :))

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They did NOT drink Kool-aid. The correct drink/brand was called fresh aid. A cheaper knock off brand, and the media messed it up by saying kool-aid.

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Originally Posted by Ugo

- at least those of us that voted Liberal. Remember, it's a "majority". To me that means that most of us voted for them and have every right to enjoy our Shangri-La.

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Since the Liberals only received 32% of the popular vote, it's was far less than a majority....and a large percentage of them only voted "anything but Harper", never understanding the damage they were doing by voting Liberal.

I think there has been a lot of 'buyer's remorse'....so not to many believing in "Sunny Ways" anymore.

Actually the shiny poney is still riding high in the polls and would still win a majority today. Which proves that maybe PET was right and that voters are stupid?

Polls ??? ...they have been so drastically wrong, so many times, the only people who cite favourable Liberal pools are the CBC :)

Even JT stood in the house and applauded the superior leadership of Rona Ambrose yesterday..:)

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Polls ??? ...they have been so drastically wrong, so many times, the only people who cite favourable Liberal pools are the CBC :)

Even JT stood in the house and applauded the superior leadership of Rona Ambrose yesterday..:)

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Must have missed that the other day but I did see Justin give her a big LIBERAL hug when she was crying the day before.LOL

No buyers remorse here or any where else in Canada,heck we even have THE DONALD helping the Liberal Brand.Sunny ways and a cake walk for the Democrats.

resurrecting this thread from the dead... C-246 has been defeated.

https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-246/

Update;

If anyone is interested in this topic....the author of the bill has published a blog on the way forward;

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My Animal Cruelty Bill Was Defeated -- Here's What's Next

Bill C-246 was built on past Liberal government efforts, and it was endorsed by many organizations, including the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association, the Canadian Federation of Humane Societies, the Canadian Association for Laboratory Animal Science, the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness, all major animal welfare organizations across North America, SPCAs across the country, the Toronto Star, and even Don Cherry.

Unfortunately, it was actively opposed by others. For example, the Chicken Farmers of Canada, the Canadian Cattlemen's Association, and the Ontario Federation of Agriculture piggybacked on concerns raised by the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters, and lobbied aggressively against the bill.

Our government and my caucus colleagues care about ending animal cruelty, but in the face of this vocal opposition, the government determined that more consultation was required to reach consensus on this particular piece of legislation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nathani..._12457400.html

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