Once again the Wynne Liberals give Ontarians the finger:
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/03/17...-airport-crazy
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Once again the Wynne Liberals give Ontarians the finger:
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/03/17...-airport-crazy
Should be installing them at Queen's Park, plenty of hot air there to power them.
I think it was all the people who elected these bozos who gave us (and themselves) the finger...
Not surprised. In Wainfleet you'll see them within a km or so of a popular sky diving venue. People tried to fight it, but political corruption and big money/greed always wins.
I was in Scotland this past year, and there are thousands and thousands of wind turbines. Pretty much every hill has a couple , while standing on one golf hole at the Scottish Open, we could count 26 in our line of site. They have North Sea oil and still look at wind power as an alterative. Well what do we know that they do not...or vice versa?
We don't need the unreliable energy they produce at 10x the market rate. In fact we dump it below cost to the States. Only an imbecile would endorse that.
Thinks back to 2008-2010, and many of the debates in the media and here on the forums and the GEA
Seem to recall, many saying (and I know I was one). Wind may be part of the future but
1) Is this the right admin (recall by then there was plenty of brain cramps, scandals, and obvious, very obvious signs of mad spending) and very loud bells about the provinces fiscal shape?.Had to look through the smoke coming out of Queens Park though...Do recall it was 2010 they hired Drummond (another huge red flag many missed...When your govt has to hire an outside economist to first tell you what you screwed up...thats bad....When you also have to pay them to tell you how to fix it, thats worse).
2) Is the right time...what with the teeth of the worst recession since 1929 to hit us. Recall vividly saying theres a time and place for everything.
3) McGuinty and best friends sold the public on all the jobs it would bring....................
What does Scotland know that we don't?
Can only guess but my guesses would be
1) How to hire better admins
2) Don't dive in head first in a mad dash to be "green leaders" for a legacy
3) Do things right. how to implement (see smart meters) when to do things...See oh so much...and maybe they aren't as crooked as a foot trail blazed by a drunken scout..See the contracts with Wind Companies, who is profiting large and who is behind them.
Oh and I forgot
4) Know when to cut your losses and stop throwing good money after bad...
So those people who do not want windmills in their neighborhoods , is it because of the cost? Scots are famously cheap, so yes to all of your reasons JB. Anyone who has been to Europe has seen wind turbines, and trash burning incinerators everywhere. As to being a green leader, Ontario is in many ways, far behind others.
Spent a lot of time in Europe working in the offshore wind industry. Don't kid yourself, the wind industry and the governements are running the same scam there that they are running here.
Gord there could be many reasons why people don't want them in their backyards. Good ones, that have nothing to do with the price of Hydro (though that obviously is one).
They are eye sores and take huge amounts of real estate
They are loud. On a good day we can hear the one at the Pickering Nuke Gen from a mile away. And thats just one
There are some not sure right word, reports, suggestions that those who live close are developing some health problems, everything from having trouble sleeping (constant drone), to problems with equilibrium, and more. Not sure how much stock to put into that but on the surface there may be enough to the claims that.......I sure as hell wouldn't sleep well with that.....
"Cost". Well this may vary, not sure but lots of claims, that many farmers, people in rural areas have seen *their* property values kneecapped. As much as I want to move to rural Ontario I sure as heck won't look at anything with a sea of those around the land.Not even one.
What do farmers rely on to get loans from us?
Their property value
And then, well theres everything else. Cost of Hydro, their maintenance cost (have read reports they are good for 20 years only) etc, etc
Then my next question would be, why have they spread across a large part of the world like dandelions in the spring? There must be something to them.
It seems that the governments are all left wingers who have really drank the KoolAid. They eat this "green" garbage up by the handfull and love it. Stupid is as stupid does. Travelling south on Hwy.#115/35,today,at Durham Regional Rd.3 east of Orono,there's 8 new windmills that have been built that have yet to turn a blade. Tax dollars at work,folks,thanks to Nana Wynne and Uncle Dalton. :silly:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Ontario already has a large surplus of electricity they also:
1) Are building more and paying more
http://business.financialpost.com/fp...they-dont-need
2) Will be increasing our rates (see above)
3) Have over ridden the Ministry of Transportation in regards to safety several times.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...oved-1.1311597
Transport Canada orders 8 Ontario wind turbines removed
Structures too close to Chatham-Kent airport and pose risk to pilots
Transport Canada has ordered the removal of eight wind turbines near the Chatham-Kent Municipal Airport in southwestern Ontario because they exceed height restrictions for the area and could pose a risk to pilots.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/10...tario-airports
Wind turbines generate trouble for two Ontario airports
More info
http://ontario-wind-resistance.org/c...iation-safety/
http://www.windontario.ca/
In the end there is no need and with the current choices not to upgrade the reliable electricity at Niagara Falls and put up windmills that cannot be depended up any idiot can see the only reason they are doing it is posturing and someone is making alof of profit.
www.680news.com/2015/12/02/ontario-ag-finds-hydro-consumers-pay-billions-extra-for-liberals-energy-decisions/
AG finds Ontario hydro customers pay billions extra for Libs' energy decisions
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technol...209/story.html
http://business.financialpost.com/fp...rals-direction
Ontario’s Power Trip: Irrational energy planning has tripled power rates under the Liberals’ direction
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...tract-1.510278
Mike Crawley, president of the Ontario wing of the Liberal Party of Canada, is a partner in Erie Shores Wind Farm.
On Wednesday, Energy Minister Dwight Duncan announced that Erie Shores was one of a number of companies hired by the province to sell it electricity from generating systems powered by wind, sun, water and methane gas.
The Erie Shores contract is worth $475 million.
Poor decision making, greed and posturing by ideologues and pirates seems to be the result!
Do the rest of the world also have those same politico's ? Lots of right wing governments in Europe that have jumped both feet into wind power, why?
They make people who don't live close to them feel like we are doing something green. This buys political capital with the urban centres who want to feel like we are being responsible. They also have a strong political lobby with lots of money to spread around.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
In Ontario's case they cost the utility over $500 million every year as all the power is surplus and has to be sold to the states or Quebec at a substantial loss and in some cases it is actually given to them for free. They did not actually displace any coal as this was accomplished by building reliable sources such as gas-fired turbines like the one that was cancelled in Mississauga and refits at the nuke plants. Ontario's demand for energy has been steadily dropping for quite some time due to the exodus of manufacturing caused by a combination of the highest power costs in the country coupled with high labour/tax rates and outside economic drivers.
If you look at the cost of power anywhere that has a strong wind component it is through the roof. Ontario is the most expensive in North America by a wide margin - in some cases as much as 300% but still not as bad as places like Germany or Denmark which are double or more than what we are paying.
The ongoing losses will only increase as they continue to go up. I am all for being green but at some point one has to do a cost benefit analysis. They are only going up like dandelions in highly developed countries that have the tax base to heavily subsidize them. There are no industrial wind farms like we have in poor developing countries as it is not economically feasible without massive subsidies.
The reason they spring up is nothing more than optics and a politicians desire to look green. The ship I am on right now burns 20 cubic meters (20,000L) of fuel oil per day. An offfshore wind farm from initial survey and planning to construction and commission will have at least one vessel like this running for extended periods over the 2 to 3 year period of a project. During heavier stages of contruction there will be 2 to 4 vessels like this working for months at a time with larger ones burning even more fuel. No matter how "green" the windmills are, they will never offset the carbon footprint generated when contructing the array. It's all smoke and mirrors.
It will continue in Europe because they have built an industry around it that employs a significant number fo people.
And Europe doesn't have the Hydro capacity like James Bay and all the other dams we have here or abundant gas to power generating stations. In some places windmills probably make sense. Not here, not now.
If you look at 2014 as an example (or any other year wind has been in the mix) a politician would proudly say Ontario generated 6.8 TWh of wind energy representing 4.4% of Ontario's production. What they won't tell you is that in that same year Ontario exported over 12% or 19 TWh of its energy. In other words none of the wind energy was needed. So we spent money to build these things, expended carbon to manufacture and erect them and all for power that we don't need so we can sell it to our neighbours at a substantial loss.
Only a politician would be proud of this.
Source for 2014 #'s:
http://www.ieso.ca/Pages/Power-Data/...rice-Data.aspx
As well as the supply there is also the cost issue .... this one is from a few years back
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~whulet/OGN/V...len_Estill.htm
"In Denmark the retail price of power is 30 cents/KWh which is principally an artifact of high taxes. Compare this with Ontario's 9 cents (which includes the transmission, distribution, and debt recovery charges). The average home in Denmark uses half the power of the average one in Ontario."
Now lets look at Hydro
http://www.ieso.ca/Pages/Power-Data/Supply.aspx
Ontario's installed generation capacity totals 35,221 MW which includes
http://www.opg.com/generating-power/...ges/hydro.aspx
OPG operates 65 hydroelectric stations, including a green power portfolio of 29 small hydroelectric plants, and 240 dams on 24 river systems. The smallest station has a generating capacity of just 800 kilowatts; the largest more than 1,400 megawatts.
Now assuming Niagara Falls is the 1.4Gw and less than 1/2 capacity and as per the link above the wind is 3.2Gw
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/201...ly-as-designed
Maves said the generating stations in Niagara Falls have a capacity of about 2,300 megawatts, but they’re only using about 1,200.
“We’re operating our generating facilities way under capacity.”
You can check the live feed on your power system right now, right here
http://live.gridwatch.ca/home-page.html
At this moment, might be different when you look Wind is 1.6Gw... so IF Niagara was running at say... 2Gw to make easy math instead of 1.2Gw that is a .8 difference (1/2 the windmills in Ontario could be scraped) and with our current surplus the others easily! Actually the ONE generating station at Niagara by capacity could replace 1/4 the windmills ALONE....ALSO look at it another way, using Gridwatch the Hydro capacity is 7,653 Mw and it is generating 4,648 Mw, the wind capacity is 1,613 Mw and producing 1,601 Mw.....using those numbers increasing to 80% capacity from 60% on hydro would completely replace the ENTIRE wind contribution and it would be predictable instead of defendant on the wind being in the right range.
Saving the big point for last... look at the GENERATING 18,275 Mw and DEMAND 16,646Mw ..... generating 1,629 Mw SURPLUS ..... bye bye ALL the windmills and still a 9Mw surplus. Anyone saying we need wind in Ontario is either ignorant or lying.
P.S.
Looking at Gridwatch now wind is 1.2Gw so in the last hour a drop of .4Gw... guess the wind is less :silly:
P.S. 19th at 4:44PM.
Wind is 124Mw and the ONE generator at Niagara Falls is running at just over 1/2 its capacity at 928Mw ... or 8 TIMES all the wind turbines in Ontario!!! All the windmills at Adelaid, Blake, Cedar Point, Erieau, Grenwich, Port Burwell, Port Alma 1 & 2, and several more are producing a total of..... dramatic pause... ZERO.
5:30
Gerald Butts has been showing what an idiot he is for Earth Hour
Gerald Butts @gmbutts Nothing brings out the flat-Earther Conservatives like a few climate change tweets. Patrick Brown has his work cut out for him.
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Again we see many well thought out comments. The desire to look and be green is strong in urbanites; understanding whether it is green or not seems to be less important.
Ontario Liberals = Thieves and Liars. Period.
Well, yesterday's hydro bill worked out to $.21/kWh here in central Ontario. Average kWh/day was 99 compared to 177 last year at this time , but the months bill was larger.
http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...-to-wind-power
In September, a new 100-megawatt wind power facility started commercial operation, but that same month, 42% of wind power in Ontario’s west region was curtailed (surplus, not added to the grid).
Ontario’s electricity customers paid for that power, anyway.
The government claims to have reduced electricity bills by 25%, but it has done nothing to cut costs by cancelling contracts for unneeded power.
Last month, Ontario’s Environmental Commissioner pointed out that no request to “kill, harm or harass” wildlife had been refused for four years – she cited wind power projects where development actually took precedence over environmental balance.
*NOTE ADDED: tens of thousands of bats/birds killed each year by windmills
http://www.lfpress.com/2016/07/20/wi...d-species-list
Between 2006 and 2014, the government received well over 3,100 formal reports of excessive noise and vibration, according to documents provided to Wind Concerns Ontario.
Of those thousands of reports, more than 50% received no response from the Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change. Only 1% resulted in a priority response.
Fast forward to today. You'll find the windmill farms in Europe are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy sucking mega-bucks out of government coffers (taxpayers),keeping them afloat purely for the "green" optics just like here in Onatrio. The "wind/green energy" Emperor literally has no clothes.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
You can bet your bottom dollar that those receiving a response were only in Liberal ridings,too. Ma Wynne better grease them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
having worked for a facility that made these wind towers minus the nacell up top and the blades....the subsidies were insane they gave out and only ours plus a handful of other facilities were permitted to build before they opened the market to anyone that wanted to produce. Company spent so much on things they never needed...talking about
20k printing signs/banners to be posted around the shop for a Production Improvment Project and they even spelt them wrong and had the wrong dates so had to be scrapped...Crazy uncontrolled unregulated spending cause the Korean owners were making money hand over fist they couldn't keep track of where it all was going....1 project we had they brought over people from Korea and budgeted 80k just for 6 meal outings for maybe 50-100ppl...silly silly spending....roughly produced 1 million worth of sales daily at this facility when it was busy...it was also littered with quality and safety issues. Now that the subsidies are gone and its an open market prices have fallen and the business is declining...at least in this area. They cheated safety and quality to pump out as many towers as they could before the subsidies ran out...once they were gone 3/4 of the plant was let go and their orders are dying off.
HOWEVER.....I have one of these windmills on my hunting property and its a nice big weather vane to show me wind direction and the sound helps cover up any sounds deer may hear...doesnt bother the deer 1 bit actually some of their year round trails are right infront and around it so for that I can be thankful...
My,how wonderfully considerate of Ma Wynne and the Ontario Liberals for spending $50B on cooling fans for the Deer and cattle.
the money that goes into fabricating and "erecting" them is phenomenal...lots of money in them as far as infrastructure goes...All the wind farms are owned by companies like Siemens, GE, Vestas...etc some pretty big names that have been in the business for a while...Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Wind towers are new to Ontario and North America but theyve been over-produced and over saturated in areas around the globe years ago...they simply find a new international market thats government is aligned with their goals.
The asian market is over saturated it lasted 14 or so years then trailed off thats why they came here...now North America starts to slow down they go to another country. Always planning where to go next...and lots of lobbying local and international. Local government investments plus subsidies...
I guess that just shows that PT Barnum was right. "There's a sucker born every minute." It won't be long,though,before the snake oil salesmen will run out of people that'll drink the kool-aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
Almost like a plague of locusts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
One less...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...kent-1.4494806
Turbine snaps in half in Chatham-Kent, MPP calls for halt of wind projects
'The blade is wrapped around the bottom of it and the engine is on the ground'
After channeling all that "green energy" cash to corporations,GE has decided the gravy train isn't all it's cracked up to be and are bailing,mothballing their entire Canadian operation except for a sales crew in Burlington. That worked out well,didn't it?
I wonder if they know about an issues in the building ..... did you see the picture? one breaking in half could be indicative of a design fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
https://i.cbc.ca/1.4495217.151638483...atham-kent.jpg
Guaran-damn-teed we'll never hear about if they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
If all the blades brake off and we don’t have anymore windmills will the hydro bills go down?
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/08/04/ne...london-damaged
The industry even recognizes there will be about 3,800 failures a year
https://www.windpowermonthly.com/art...ed-around-3800
another issue is the potential health hazard of part of the blade or ice off the blade flying off.
http://www.simcoemuskokahealth.org/d..._wind_turbines
likely a weld failure...and will put the supplier out of business if deemed to be at fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Not if the supplier was from China. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler