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Kid brought his bat to school for baseball practice. Had it under his coat because he didn't want it to get wet from the rain.
http://www.orilliapacket.com/2016/03...-peters-school
As a hunter and firearms owner, stories like this make me fear that, due to some shrill member of the public, sooner or later I'm going to find myself face down on the ground with the cops stepping on my neck for reasons totally beyond my comprehension.
I have been chastised here for this but I am extremely cautious about loading and unloading firearms from my vehicle. Often I just wait for darkness only to avoid stuff like this. I have also taught my kids to not discuss the fact we have guns in the home with anybody.
When I was in grade 6, one of my friends brought his pellet gun to school as a prop in a play.
My my how much we've changed in 30 years
Forty years ago, our middle school had a rifle club. Indoor range, school provided .22 single shots, you had to bring your own ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
In high school, I had a shotgun and ammo in the trunk of the car a lot of time.
When I was in CEGEP in Quebec one of the teachers used to hunt snow goose with us. We actually were allowed to bring cased guns into school but had to keep them in the Principals office. It helped that he went to school with my father but this is a true story. Yes, times have changed. This was 40 yrs ago.
Now If I am walking from the parking lot of Spring Bank Park, with my fishing Rods in a case am I going to get shot by some jacked up cop?Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
It is going to happen, to someone some where.
I have seen videos of people stopped and questioned for open carry in the states. 90% of the time when the cops just see the person as the are driving/walking by there is a little chat, smiles and everyone carries on. When it's a call from the public the swat team, national guard, army, navy, air force, and the Marines come storming up, and half the time the person has nothing or is legal to carry. The case that makes that point the best was an officer walked in to a fast food place and saw a guy with a holster on his hip. The officer wait till the guy walked away from the counter, waves him a side asks for ID and says he wants to run the serial on the gun. The civilian says ok, asks if the officer would like to remove the gun himself or if it was OK to hand it to him. Cops says just hand put it on the table and step back a couple steps. So the guy lays the gun on the table, and steps back. Cop runs the guys I'd and the serial on the gun, an.d it's all good tells the guy he is good to go and thanks him. Guy puts the gun away, thanks the officer for doing his job. The two start chatting and as they are looking out the window a hand full of cars and the swat team show up. Some person called 911 and said there were two guys with guns in the place having a fight and one just tried to shot the other....
No call to police or 911 should be anonymous, any false statements should be chargeable.
Yes - you are going to find that the antigun crowd will do anything they can to harass those of us who have guns - one other point - actually when the officer asked the guy with the gun for ID the gun owner did not have to provide any ID - it is only required if you are committing a crime - the guy opening carrying a gun was not committing a crime so no ID required -
A lot of times a cop will ask someone for ID and make it sound that giving it to him is required by law - this is completely wrong - this isn't Nazi Germany where you had to show your "papers" - more and more people are beginning to exert their rights when dealing with cops - if your are interested go on You Tube and see what is happening - a lot of people are getting fed up with the cops and the way they treat people
I have seen those videos and while humorous I have to scratch my head. Why make a tense situation worse? I have no problem showing my ID to a cop, especially if I was carrying a firearm. Sometimes gun owners are their own enemies. Not excusing the idiots who call in false reports but why purposely raise the anxiety level with what could turn out to be a trigger happy rookie?
UNTIL, they need a cop, then their attitude changes?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
This thread is a classic example of "damned if you do, or damned if you don't" scenario. The police are always going to respond, as they should. I'd much rather read about a story such as this, than one where a nut bar goes into the school and shoots it up?
I appreciate what you are saying but - the cops can do their job without mistreating people by taking their rights away - too many times the cops overstep their bounds - and for years they were getting away with it but now people are recording what they are doing and it is changing things - now the cops hate when someone is recording what is happening and are trying their best to stop it - even when it is legal to do it
Remember one thing - many guys fought and died so that you have freedom and certain rights - if you don't exercise these rights you will eventually lose them - when I'm driving a car and a cop pulls me over I have to by law show him my insurance, driving license and registration - that's it - if you asks me anything else I don't have to answer -
You sound very American Joe. :)
No you probably don't, under your constitutional rights of course? But how about your conscience? Knowing that the officer was hired and mandated by your society to uphold and enforce the laws to protect everyone, are you not interested in helping him/her keep things running smoothly? The officer might be looking for a rapist on the loose, but you, within your constitutional rights of course, are afraid to, and refuse to answer a few questions that could possibly assist the officer?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
The chest thumping gets a little loud every now and again and it's a huge part of what annoys Canadians about their U.S neighbours. Can't see the trees for the forest?
Any lawyer worth his salt will tell you not to answer any questions - why - because anything you say can be used against you - even if you innocently tell the cop something he can turn it around and next thing you are charged with some crime - if you answer one of his questions and your answer leads to more questions and then during the course of the questioning you say something a little different he can arrest you for lying to him
If the officer is suppose to uphold the law then he should recognize the citizen's right not to answer any questions - and as far as not seeing the trees - maybe it's because we put a very high value on freedom and liberty that we just don't give them up lightly - far too many cops have acted wrongly while the so-called good cops watched and did nothing - what is happening with regard to how the public deals with the cops rests squarely on the cops - they have created the situation
If a cop pulls me over for some traffic violation and then starts questioning me about some rape that happened - on what grounds does he think its me - he has my name and address from the information I had to give him - if I was the rapist do you think I'm going to tell him the truth - as far as chest thumping - I call it vigilance
Generally schools/teachers quit teaching long ago and switched to indoctrination.
They have now literally and officially gone bat chit crazy. You heard it here first.
Good one ! I like that . :thumbup::silly:Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
Thanks J figured you'd like it. Hope all is well with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
It's the world we live in now people. Any time someone sees something that can be interpreted as out of the ordinary, the authorities are notified. Most of the time it's nothing, but on the rare occasion it is. I think back to the early 70's when people used to have a gun rack in their rear truck window displaying a gun, and wonder what would happen if someone today did that and drove through an urban area.
Back home the cops would stop you and want to fondle it and go somewhere and try it out. Here, not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
I used to keep a gun in my trunk at High School. Me and the Asst. Principal bird hunted after school. We used to keep guns in the college dorm and a dog pen just legally off campus property.
Had the shotgun in my dorm closet...my Asian roommates and their friends just loved the "white" birds I would bring to the dorm. Gave them all boxes and told them to keep them frozen and don't open them till Chistmas. Boy was I a popular guy after Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot