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Originally Posted by COYHUNTER
Most likely the local feral chihuahua pack..The coyote people say that attacking a large animal is dangerous and coyotes would not do that..I mean they must know what they are talking ..........OK enough of the flipping poop. Just trying to joke like that makes my head hurt.
The horses broke out of the fence for a reason, they don't just decide to do it. The stallion likely kicked a hole in the fence so the mare and he could escape. He was likely injuries trying to protect the mare who would have been less mobile because of the foal she was carrying. I have seen alpacas fight and they have foot work that would make Fred Astaire look like he had three left feet. House dogs are not going to take one down without a high number of them being killed/injuries by the alpaca.
I have some experience fighting with coyote, multiple bites to my hands, arms and the lose of part of my left thumb. All by a coyote that had a bullet through it's chest and lungs.
I am going find out exactly where this happened..........if someone knows PM me...........I live about 20 miles from fort erieQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
COYHUNTER!
and you wondered why in your other post I said " leave your conscience at home" pups or no pups shoot'em all!
I changed my mind...........kill them allQuote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
I just got off the phone with a friend...........him and an other guy sat for morning and night over the dead horse and shot 7 big coyotes in 3 days
the horse that survived had 500 stitches............hey guys show no mercy.........why did they have to attack the 2nd horse
Horse meat is good eating?
These were miniature horses , easy picking for a few coyotes ;
The designation of miniature horse is determined by the height of the animal, which, depending on the particular breed registry involved, is usually less than 34–38 inches (86–97 cm) as measured at the last hairs of the mane, which are found at the withers.
They are not much taller than a coyote.
I have always told people that if there is fencing, a coyote can kill an elephant. Once they run him thru or into a fence and break a leg or immobilize him, they will eat him alive. They don't have to do the Wild Kingdom takedown/back of the neck thing like many of the public think.
Likely what happened in this case. Horses were run into/thru a fence injuring them and taking away their ability to maneuver. It was church after that.
I see a lot of alpaca "protectors" here in Canada, not so much in the States. Don't believe the publicity, they will kill and eat an alpaca as fast as a they will a young steer.
Sad event for sure and that stud doesn't look long for this world.
I hope the hunters don't stop until they are exterminated from around there.
Only about a billion more horses to go in Ontario...
7 coyotes in 3 days...pretty good....too bad about the horses
Local news was saying two labs were killed by coyotes in the backyard of the owners fenced yard on Sunday evening. There was also a thing on the local city Facebook page with 60plus comments. Some of the comments were the typical 'they were here first so don't blame the coyotes' or 'relocate them'. And some actually said they need the city to have a cull. Which surprised me.
The stallion was most likely trying to protect the mare even "AFTER" it was dead. Think about dead or alive it's his mare, carrying his foal.Quote:
Originally Posted by COYHUNTER
dont know what your implyingQuote:
Originally Posted by duckduckgoose
I don't know where the concern over the pups comes in. If they Are varmints get rid of them. If they have pups that's like 7 for the price of 1. I thought the best situation was coyote hunters had no coyotes left to hunt, and have to go back to hunting deer. It takes a lot to catch them killing livestock. I know some farmers that have had some sleepless night to kill the lamb killing machines.
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Originally Posted by Mattones
You need to set those people straight. Coyotes were not here first. They were never native to Ontario. They started showing up late 60's, early 70's - at least in my neck of the woods. Back then I hunted all over Niagara for fox with a black & tan cross bluetick hound. I averaged $120 per fox. With a high on one over $200. Fantastic money for a kid back then. One winter I got 27 fox. me, dog and 12 gauge #2 magnum. Working in the local abrasives company in induction furnaces I cleared $125/week for 40 hours of hard labor. Chasin foxes as you can see was lucrative. I hunted every day. I never never never even seen a coyote or a track until 1974 ish. That coyote was living in a pine hydro plantation. I chased it for about 2 weeks every day. I finally got it after it was starting to slow down after me hitting twice earlier. My 105lb hound finally caught it and had it bayed. Quite a battle until I showed up and shot it point blank. My hound was the toughest dog I have ever known. that coyote weighed 67 lbs on the bathroom scale.
anyway the point I always make is that these creatures are an INVASIVE SPECIES and never never inhabited our province. It's plain to see that our native wildlife never had to deal with them as a predator.
THEY ARE AN INVASIVE SPECIES! Make sure this point is made to all trying to protect them!
Hey sk33t3r.... I am going to be a little $h-t here...so my apologies in advance...Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
We too are invasive species... The white man settled here, when, about 400 years ago? The world was and is a changing place. Today's world just changes faster.... We will need to learn how to deal with the change... :)
There are many things we can add that are not native to this country , moose in Newfoundland, pheasants , brown trout , rainbow trout, dandelions, many species of birds, possums and the list can go on but as soon as a particular species starts to interfere with our past times or our hobbies , some then say "get rid or kill them all".Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
WE have to learn to live with it and use them [coyotes ] as an addition in our hunting outings, sure makes the late fall and winters go by very quickly and can also make you a better hunter in your other hunting endeavors, as coyotes are not the easiest animal to hunt, and you /we can learn quite a bit from hunting them .
As some say "kill them all" but there are others , orchardists , farmers that grow soft vegetables and fruit , they want the coyotes around as the coyotes are the best pest control they have on the farms by keeping down the population of mice , raccoons , and possums , and many other pests. One orchardist that I know claims that one or two possums can devastate his pear orchard very quickly so he wants the coyotes around as they help him in keeping his hard earned dollars to feed his family.
What some [hunters ] see as a detriment to their hunting or hobbies , others see as an advantage to their livelihood .
If I have offended anyone here on this subject ?? well that is how I and many others feel about it , I have been hunting coyotes for over 40 years and have killed many over that length of time , running them with hounds , calling , and some by opportunity, we live in the country see them in the fields behind us constantly and I don't want to kill every one I see at all times of the years unless it is a mangy one .
I almost forgot, let us not forget other reintroduced species to Ontario that are causing some farmers a lot of grief , ELK and TURKEYS.
Well I guess one mans crap is another mans gold. Yeah there are lots of non native species here but most of them we released or nurtured to enhance our lives. Not all has always worked out well but the initial thoughts/intentions were good ones. The coyotes showed up and it was not anyone's good intentions. We had plenty of fox in the old days to handle the mice for all the farmers but along comes mr coyote and foxes are getting scarce. Foxes would eat prey up to cottontail size. Coyotes on the other hand eat dogs/cats/sheep/horses/turkeys/deer/pheasants etc. I would trade foxes for coyotes any day. It's only a matter of time and we will have our first human fatality. Unfortunately it will be a child. A few children have already been bit by coyotes and they were lucky there was an adult around.
You're argument is that it's nice to have something to shoot at during the winter months. Well when I was younger we had lots to shoot at during the winter months - rabbits everywhere - cottontails and jacks, we had lots of foxes - and Niagara was loaded in pheasants. Only pheasant I've seen in the last 25 yrs was at the pheasant farm. Cottontails .. I shot 86 one winter with a 410 single shot. The only cottontails I see any more are in my yard. Jackrabbits were common there's some pockets in Ontario but not around me any more.
I would love to see the coyote gone completely. BUT I guess when your given lemons then you need to make lemonade.
There is nothing wrong with "lemonade " in fact it can be quite enjoyable !, there are too many that are stuck in their old ways, and want to completely wipe out anything/everything that interferes with their own indulgences.Quote:
I would love to see the coyote gone completely. BUT I guess when your given lemons then you need to make lemonade.
And habitat loss, a different agriculture and we (hunters) have nothing to do with it?! Lots of countries around the world, without any coyote, where same thing is happening or has already happened so you might want to think again and figure out what change or mistake has been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
Also, I heard guys blasting at pheasan and jack all winter without thinking, have a great few years, keep saying there are lots of it and then nothing and complain about predation.... :confused::confused::confused:
AND you should also state that there are many that will play a fiddle while Rome burns to the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
And some are anxiously awaiting the Chinese carp to get here so they can shoot 'em as they jump into the boat!
Anyway good luck and do me a favour and don't miss the ones you shoot at!
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AND you should also state that there are many that will play a fiddle while Rome burns to the ground.
others are yelling "the sky is falling ! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! " :rolleyes:
They eventually become pests wherever they interact with man and domestic animals.
I have had major problems with them when raising registered quarter horses and registered beef cattle as did feedlots in the area.
I don't really "hate" them however I do see them for the pest they are and also for the extra revenue they bring into the State/Prov. and the small game hunting opportunities they provide during the off season.
They remind me of criminals in a way, as putting pressure on them in problem areas will move them to become someone else's problem.
I have always left them alone during whelping season but I also think people should do what they need to do based on their personal situation.
Went turkey hunting yesterday. one less coyote today. the other one will be hunting double duty - I need to get that one before the fawns start dropping. I will get out this week again. 3 coyotes have been seen repeatedly getting closer and closer to the cattle and calfs. The farmer next door had a calf pulled down 3 yrs ago. Maybe some of you guys should join the Coyotewatch organization. Every turkey hunter should end each set with a couple loud rabbit squeals and deal with the problem.
Season's is closed in my WMU and I have to buy a tag if I want to shot yote.Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
I will shoot them anywhere, anytime. Season opens here January first, and never closes, no tags required and no limits apply.
Agree, I have started doing that myself!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
I'll shoot any coyote any time of the year given the chance. Only because I believe they are over populated and need thinning out. I have only called in one fox in 11 years of calling. I'd like to see them make a comeback as well as the jack rabbit.
Never see a fox around here anymore either or a groundhog. Did see a cottontail yesterday for the first time in a couple years. Haven't seen a Jack around here in going on 4 years.
There are two types of hunters in Ontario, the old timers who remember the rabbit,jack,pheasant population pre coyote and the generation that has lived with them since they have been firmly established.Being in the old timers group I have seen the destruction caused by coyotes,they are indeed a pest.
Interesting read. I have no problem with killing coyotes when you can , but history has shown us that when we decide to wipe out a species, we learn years later that it had an important role in the chain of which that we weren't aware .
IMPORTANT ROLE?????? WHAT ROLE DO THEY HAVE???Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
They are an invasive species.
Starting to see foxes around Lowbanks/Longbeach area........they go for fish etc that washes up on shore
Coyhunter - all things considered - how is this even possible in your neighborhood. It puts you in a very bad light....:shades:Quote:
Originally Posted by COYHUNTER
Not living up to his name at least..:sad: or just plain slacking off on the job...:madman:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasu200
Starting to feel my age.........71 now.........my broken ankle this winter didnt help.........10 more good years I hopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
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Originally Posted by COYHUNTER
The older we get the better we use to be...
We are all getting there , 74 now , waiting to hear when I go in for complete knee replacement surgery and have had carpal tunnel surgery done on each wrist back in early and late April, it got so bad on my right hand , I could hardly feel the trigger due to the numbness and tingling sensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by COYHUNTER
Hope I have more than 10 years left.
Well congrats on the 71 Coy and on the 74 J and still being as active as ever. Pretty darned impressive in my book.
Many would wish they made it as far............
All the best with all your ailments,,,,,,,,,,,,watch that trigger fingerQuote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I am ok now , all the feeling has returned.Quote:
Originally Posted by COYHUNTER
That is why I didn't do much hunting last fall and this past winter, didn't want an accidental discharge.
I also have a hard time walking any distance [pain] from bone on bone in knee, no cartilage.
All I need now is a new knee, the doctor says all that pain will disappear after the knee replacement surgery.
I feel for you,,,,,,,,,,,,as many othersQuote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
X2 - None ever get a pass from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
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Originally Posted by glen
So true - wishing both many happy years out in the bushes.
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Originally Posted by skypilot