Loose Dogs chasing wildlife problems

2 neighbours have dogs that run loose almost constantly for 2 years now. Last December they were seen chasing deer. The incident was mentioned to the MNR, though be it a CO from Guelph and this is in the Dunnville area.

Thursday morning 3 dogs were loose and a turkey hunter saw one chasing a very pregnant doe. The hunter never called it in. Can he call after the fact, can I call that incident in, or just the concern for birthing deer and turkeys. I just found out about this tonight. Anybody have any experiences like this?

If they are on your property I would shoot them. SSS

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Originally Posted by JUDGE

If they are on your property I would shoot them. SSS

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It isn't the dogs that should be took care of but unfortunately it's the easier way... Sad indeed.

Call the TIPS line, even after the fact

Because this is an active hunting season COs have greater leave to go and investigate then they would in say July.

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Originally Posted by JUDGE

If they are on your property I would shoot them. SSS

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Brilliant idea... We need more people thinking your way....

I would call it in. At least that way they can try and keep an eye on the area or at least be a little more in the vicinity if it happens again .Blasted_Saber Co's have the same search and seizer powers whether there is a hunting/fishing season on or not. They have a lot more power to search than the OPP. TC

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Originally Posted by trky chsr

I would call it in. At least that way they can try and keep an eye on the area or at least be a little more in the vicinity if it happens again .Blasted_Saber Co's have the same search and seizer powers whether there is a hunting/fishing season on or not. They have a lot more power to search than the OPP. TC

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Im well aware of that. What im saying is that because their budget is so minimal they maximize their time afield during high intensity times like the early half of the turkey hunt. In the middle of the summer (just an example) when the budget is getting smaller and the big hunts in the fall are still coming a call like this might receive less attention. Im not saying it will be ignored (it wont be), but it might now get the full attention it deserves.

Calling the TIPS line is absolutely critical. A credible report gives a CO a far greater chance at getting out of the office to perform an investigation. When you call, a CO will all you back (my experience is in very short order ~ under 30 minutes) and will ask you questions about the situation.

Do it.

You can shoot them with a paint ball gun on your own property. At least your not killing the dogs and getting into legal problems. I raised free range chickens for years and had problems with neighborhood dogs chasing and trying to kill my chickens. When you hit them with a paint ball you have the proof that they were on your property loose and the neighbor can't deny it. That way CO can charge them..

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Originally Posted by trky chsr

I would call it in. At least that way they can try and keep an eye on the area or at least be a little more in the vicinity if it happens again .Blasted_Saber Co's have the same search and seizer powers whether there is a hunting/fishing season on or not. They have a lot more power to search than the OPP. TC

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CO's do not have more power to search or anything, than police do.

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Originally Posted by fishgurru

You can shoot them with a paint ball gun on your own property. At least your not killing the dogs and getting into legal problems. I raised free range chickens for years and had problems with neighborhood dogs chasing and trying to kill my chickens. When you hit them with a paint ball you have the proof that they were on your property loose and the neighbor can't deny it. That way CO can charge them..

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A farmer could destroy a dog if it is after his livestock or animals. But you better have pretty good proof.

Only a LEO can destroy a dog for chasing wildlife. For anyone else to do it, they would likely be facing criminal charges, a civil suit and a firearms ban.

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Originally Posted by cramadog2

2 neighbours have dogs that run loose almost constantly for 2 years now. Last December they were seen chasing deer. The incident was mentioned to the MNR, though be it a CO from Guelph and this is in the Dunnville area.

Thursday morning 3 dogs were loose and a turkey hunter saw one chasing a very pregnant doe. The hunter never called it in. Can he call after the fact, can I call that incident in, or just the concern for birthing deer and turkeys. I just found out about this tonight. Anybody have any experiences like this?

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Contact the neighbors,directly. Warn them if their dogs are seen again,they'll be reported to the by-law office. Every municipality in Ontario has dogs running at large and leash by-laws. Fines are nothing to sneeze at. They're damn expensive in most cases.

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Originally Posted by JUDGE

If they are on your property I would shoot them. SSS

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Absolutely legal in defense of livestock,BUT,they're better be livestock on your property or you'll find yourself in serious trouble if you can't defend your actions.

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Originally Posted by Duckguy

CO's do not have more power to search or anything, than police do.

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Oh,yes they do. While enforcing the FWCA,any Police Constable or CO (among other wildlife and fisheries officers)may enter upon and search any property,building or vehicle,without a warrant where R&PG exists that a FWCA offense has,is or is about to be or to prevent an offense from being committed.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Contact the neighbors,directly. Warn them if their dogs are seen again,they'll be reported to the by-law office. Every municipality in Ontario has dogs running at large and leash by-laws. Fines are nothing to sneeze at. They're damn expensive in most cases.




Absolutely legal in defense of livestock,BUT,they're better be livestock on your property or you'll find yourself in serious trouble if you can't defend your actions.




Oh,yes they do. While enforcing the FWCA,any Police Constable or CO (among other wildlife and fisheries officers)may enter upon and search any property,building or vehicle,without a warrant where R&PG exists that a FWCA offense has,is or is about to be or to prevent an offense from being committed.

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That's my point. Police have the same authority under the FWCA. The authority comes from the act not the position However, I believe a warrant is still required if exigent circumstances don't exist.

Problem was every time we called the co the dogs were in the house or chained up neighbor denied that it was her dogs. So unoffically was suggested to get a paintball gun and use it that way the neighbor can't deny it when the dog is covered with paint ball paint. Yes I could have shot the dogs on sight but it's not the dogs falt it's the owners not controlling their animals. When we caught the dogs and nailed them with a paint ball the neighbor got charged and the dogs stayed chained. No dogs were harmed and neighbor learned an expensive lesson.

This is an issue that occurs many times - if you complain to the neighbor about the dogs and nothing is done your right back to the beginning - now you have a neighbor that doesn't like you - if anything happens to the dog(s) then most likely you will be blamed for getting rid of the dogs - even if someone else did - it would be nice if you can capture the dogs somehow - with a leg hold trap or cage - and then take them to the dog pound - then there is always the SSS option - some people find this a terrible thing to do - some don't - one thing it is better not to complain to the dog owner because if you do decide to do something about the dogs they will never know what happened to their dog and you won't be blamed - calling the authorities is a waste of time - what are the chances of the dogs running loose on your property and have a cop or whomever being there - shooting a paint ball at the dog doesn't really prove anything - you could have shot it while it was on the owner's property -

Here's your options - SSS - catch the dogs - let the dogs kill the deer - take your pick -

In NS at one time MNR use to say shoot them, but times have probably changed these days

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Originally Posted by JoePa

This is an issue that occurs many times - if you complain to the neighbor about the dogs and nothing is done your right back to the beginning - now you have a neighbor that doesn't like you - if anything happens to the dog(s) then most likely you will be blamed for getting rid of the dogs - even if someone else did - it would be nice if you can capture the dogs somehow - with a leg hold trap or cage - and then take them to the dog pound - then there is always the SSS option - some people find this a terrible thing to do - some don't - one thing it is better not to complain to the dog owner because if you do decide to do something about the dogs they will never know what happened to their dog and you won't be blamed - calling the authorities is a waste of time - what are the chances of the dogs running loose on your property and have a cop or whomever being there - shooting a paint ball at the dog doesn't really prove anything - you could have shot it while it was on the owner's property -

Here's your options - SSS - catch the dogs - let the dogs kill the deer - take your pick -

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Sums it up well. Don't start down the road of reporting the dogs and then decide to take drastic action. You'll be suspect number one. I think if you're letting your dogs run loose ON A REGULAR basis you take your chances unfortunately. Any dog can get away once in a while but if they're repeat offenders then .....Stuff Happens.

For once, I agree with JoePA
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Shoot, shovel, shut up.

As much as many of us love our dogs.... dogs running on private property are a huge nuisance to wild life.
SSS
End of problem.

Dogs are a dime a dozen.
If you don't believe that, then you are probably a responsible owner who keeps their dog under control and therefore close to home.

Trail cam pic of the dogs on your property.

People need to understand the ramifications if you get caught, killing a dog without legal justification.

You're going to get arrested, you're going to get charged, you are going to get fingerprinted and photographed.

You'll likely be charged with cruelty and mischief and likely have all your firearms and license seized.

Then you'll go to court and have your picture plastered all over the front page of the local newspapers and social media.

And you're going to pay a lawyer a bunch of money.

And all that happens whether you're convicted or not.

Then if you are convicted, you're going to spend a big part of your life regretting your actions. Not to mention a pretty good civil suit.

Choose wisely.

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Originally Posted by Duckguy

People need to understand the ramifications if you get caught, killing a dog without legal justification.

You're going to get arrested, you're going to get charged, you are going to get fingerprinted and photographed.

You'll likely be charged with cruelty and mischief and likely have all your firearms and license seized.

Then you'll go to court and have your picture plastered all over the front page of the local newspapers and social media.

And you're going to pay a lawyer a bunch of money.

And all that happens whether you're convicted or not.

Then if you are convicted, you're going to spend a big part of your life regretting your actions. Not to mention a pretty good civil suit.

Choose wisely.

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That's very wise advice.

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Originally Posted by Duckguy

People need to understand the ramifications if you get caught, killing a dog without legal justification.

You're going to get arrested, you're going to get charged, you are going to get fingerprinted and photographed.

You'll likely be charged with cruelty and mischief and likely have all your firearms and license seized.

Then you'll go to court and have your picture plastered all over the front page of the local newspapers and social media.

And you're going to pay a lawyer a bunch of money.

And all that happens whether you're convicted or not.

Then if you are convicted, you're going to spend a big part of your life regretting your actions. Not to mention a pretty good civil suit.

Choose wisely.

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A friend of mine had a couple of his dogs running at large after escaping from his fenced yard (country ). Finally he added the invisible fence and they still continued to escape while he was at work. He was warned on the first occasion, fined on the second occasion the third and final occasion his two dogs were shot and killed by a local farmer because they killed some of his sheep. He also had to pay the court cost as well as the cost to replace the sheep. Lesson learned even though he made numerous attempts to secure his two huskies.

Yes Duck' - if you get caught - but getting caught is nearly impossible if you know what you are doing - you shoot a dog in the woods somewhere how is anyone going to prove that you did it unless they actually see you - and even if the owner somehow sees you do it you can always say that the dog attacked you - its his word against yours and his dogs were on your property - and maybe he was also - it boils down to this simple fact - if you own a dog(s) for Pete's sake keep it under control - for the dogs sake

[QUOTE=JoePa;971914]Yes Duck' - if you get caught - but getting caught is nearly impossible if you know what you are doing - you shoot a dog in the woods somewhere how is anyone going to prove that you did it unless they actually see you - and even if the owner somehow sees you do it you can always say that the dog attacked you - its his word against yours and his dogs were on your property - and maybe he was also -/QUOTE]

I guess it comes down to integrity.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Yes Duck' - if you get caught - but getting caught is nearly impossible if you know what you are doing - you shoot a dog in the woods somewhere how is anyone going to prove that you did it unless they actually see you - and even if the owner somehow sees you do it you can always say that the dog attacked you - its his word against yours....

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He doesn't have to prove anything to take the law into his own hands. You should consider that before you take the law into yours.

On another note entirely, I'm sure antis would love to go through the posts on this board at times, counting up the number of people who advocate either breaking firearms laws or using their firearms to break the law.

The first problem is bringing it here. THis is a very simple problem to take care of. We didn't have that problem where I lived

The only real problem with taking the law into ones own hands, is that it may invite some type of reprisal. I recall a farmer who had a sheep farm, he use to take shots at offending dogs with a goose gun. One day his sheep were pasturing along the shore of a bay and someone roar past in a motorboat and fired a broadside or two into his sheep flock. The old adage stands, " what goes around comes around." That why it is better to let the proper authorities deal with the manner.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by Duckguy

People need to understand the ramifications if you get caught, killing a dog without legal justification.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That's very wise advice.

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Very wise indeed....

We have a neighbour (also a hunter) who shot one of our camp dogs 18 yrs ago because it chased a deer on his property, while he was hunting.

Nothing legally or illegally was ever done...but the guy has been 'Persona non grata' for the past 18 yrs. Word spread and everyone knows what he did. He has been effectively shunned by everyone. He can't get help from anyone locally, no one will do any work for him or help him out.

It may not sound like much to you, if you live in the city/burbs, but when you live in a rural area and a farmer to boot, it can make life difficult and memories are very long out here.

Long memories should also apply for failure to control ones animals....one would think.

Cheers,
Mark

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Originally Posted by Duckguy

CO's do not have more power to search or anything, than police do.

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Actually, they do, but I'm not sure how or why.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

Actually, they do, but I'm not sure how or why.

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Duckguy is actually correct ... the powers of search COs enjoy come from the laws they enforce, not from their position as COs. An OPP officer has the same powers with respect to those laws.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

Actually, they do, but I'm not sure how or why.

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Actually, they don't. The authority a law enforcement officer has comes from the Act or Statute they are acting under. Not from their position or title.

[QUOTE=Duckguy;971916]

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Yes Duck' - if you get caught - but getting caught is nearly impossible if you know what you are doing - you shoot a dog in the woods somewhere how is anyone going to prove that you did it unless they actually see you - and even if the owner somehow sees you do it you can always say that the dog attacked you - its his word against yours and his dogs were on your property - and maybe he was also -/QUOTE]

I guess it comes down to integrity.

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Integrity?? were talking about someone not taking care of dogs that are chasing wildlife... pregnant wildlife at that.

There is no easy answer.

Police have no time or interest ( often no by law) to deal with rural running dogs.

1) A good owner would be apologetic and do all they can to prevent repeat offence.
2) A bad owner says-- country dog, let it run for fun/exercise.
3) A tolerant land owner bends over and lets the neighbours dogs ruin his wildlife/ property experience.
4) A hard core/protective land owner does the SSS thing.

So dog shootings continue to happen and makes bad news because 2) and 4) often live close together and law enforcement doesn't care until a dead dog makes news on CBC.

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Originally Posted by Duckguy

Actually, they don't. The authority a law enforcement officer has comes from the Act or Statute they are acting under. Not from their position or title.

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Saw this in passing... clarifies some other authorities of a CO;

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Ontario Conservation Officers have the authority of an OPP officer only within the boundaries of a Provincial Park. When the leave the park they still have an extensive list of powers and authorities - but no longer have the authority of a police officer. A Park Warden, the unarmed, seasonal cousin of the Conservation Officer, has police authority only within park boundaries and citizen powers of arrest beyond that.

You may, on occasion, run across a Park Warden who also has a Deputy Conservation Officer (DCO) designation. That scenario is the same as the Conservation Officer, where they lose the police authority outside park boundaries and have powers and authorities similar to a Conservation Officer. The DCO has authority outside the park, but will not be permitted to exercise those authorities, by policy, unless accompanied by a Conservation Officer.

To answer your second question, Conservation Officers could theoretically enforce the Liquor Licence Act, Mental Heath Act, Highway Traffic Act, Trespass to Property Act, Criminal Code or the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act while in a Provincial Park. Outside park boundaries they enforce a multitude of federal and provincial statutes that fall within their mandate. The authority to enforce the LLA, anywhere in the Province, was implemented as a public safety measure.

A Conservation Officer (CO) is a "full" peace officer anywhere within the Province of Ontario. They are appointed under the authority of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act. In addition, they are class designated as Federal Fishery Officers under the Fisheries Act (Canada) and as Federal Game Officers under the Migratory Birds Convention Act (Canada).

They enforce numerous federal and provincial statutes which relate to natural resources such as: the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act; Fisheries Act (Canada); Migratory Birds Convention Act (Canada); Provincial Parks and Conservation Reserves Act; Lakes and Rivers Improvement Act; Aggregate Resources Act; Forest Fires Prevention Act; Crown Forest Sustainability Act; Off-Road Vehicles Act; Motorized Snow Vehicles Act; Small Vessel Regulations under the Canada Shipping Act (Canada) and have limited authority to enforce certain sections of the Liquor Licence Act.

CO's, when patrolling OUTSIDE of a Provincial Park are peace officers not police officers. They have no blanket police officer authority because there is no legislation that says CO's are police officers in and for the Province of Ontario.

CO's when patrolling INSIDE a Provincial Park have "full" police officer authority. They get this from the Provincial Parks and Conservation Reserves Act, 2006, S.O. 2006, c. 12, Section 37. That section states a Conservation Officer has all the power and authority of a member of the Ontario Provincial Police within a provincial park or conservation reserve. He or she may be wearing a green uniform but in the eyes of the law, INSIDE a Provincial Park they are considered to be police officers which means they can enforce any federal or provincial statute.

I said in my earlier post that CO's can theoretically enforce, INSIDE a Provincial Park, the Highway Traffic Act and Controlled Drugs and Substances Act etc.. That was a poor choice of words - my apologies. They can enforce those statutes but in practice most officers don't. Most CO's are too busy with other tasks to routinely do parks enforcement.

http://forums.blueline.ca/viewtopic....6838&start=105

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Originally Posted by johny

1) A good owner would be apologetic and do all they can to prevent repeat offence.
2) A bad owner says-- country dog, let it run for fun/exercise.
3) A tolerant land owner bends over and lets the neighbours dogs ruin his wildlife/ property experience.
4) A hard core/protective land owner does the SSS thing.

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Do you have a profile of a guy who would shot someones family pet?

We have a few around here that have done so, it would be interesting to hear what type of guy you think will shot a dog.

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Originally Posted by oldbuck

Integrity?? were talking about someone not taking care of dogs that are chasing wildlife... pregnant wildlife at that.

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If you think that's an "integrity" problem, then you need to avail yourself of a dictionary and look up "integrity." It may be irresponsible, short-sighted, and stupid, but it does not in and of itself demonstrate a lack of integrity.

However, doing a thing and then lying about what you did to avoid punishment does reflect a lack of integrity, as Duckguy suggests.

Called the tip line and talked to a fellow who will pass it on to a CO. He said the CO may investigate it on his own or call me for further information.

The neighbourhood is trying to have something done without us having to go to court.

Profile of a guy who would shoot a dog? - a husband and father who has 3 little kids - lives in the country - on several occasions this big pit bull shows up in the yard - looks real mean - when the father tries to chase the dog it growls at him and doesn't move - the father isn't always home so he is afraid that one day this dog is going to come when he is not home and kill one of his kids -

Now let me relate this true story - many years ago I lived in New Jersey - there was a development in the area - the back yards of the properties were separated by a wooded area with a small stream running through - this woman is by her kitchen window watching her little kids playing in the back yard - along comes three German Shepard type dogs and they attack the kids - the woman runs out with a rake and tries to chase the dogs - she can't get the dogs off the kids - then she does a stupid thing - she runs in the house and calls her husband on the phone - the dogs killed both kids - the dogs were eventually put down - after this happened I made sure that my wife was able to have a gun and know how to us it - if this woman had a gun she could have saved her kids - so yes there are times when you are justified in shooting a dog before something bad happens - have I ever shot a dog in my life - yes I have - I didn't like to do it and felt bad about it because I have had several dogs over the years and I like dogs - sometimes you have to do what you have to do - even if it is unpleasant

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Originally Posted by MikePal

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Nothing legally or illegally was ever done...but the guy has been 'Persona non grata' for the past 18 yrs. Word spread and everyone knows what he did. He has been effectively shunned by everyone. He can't get help from anyone locally, no one will do any work for him or help him out.
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small town par excellence: no lawyer or judge needed to brand someone for life
perhaps not completely fair, but requiring a complaint statistic to justify any investigation due to too many/bigger problems in larger urban areas is neither

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Originally Posted by welsh

Duckguy is actually correct ... the powers of search COs enjoy come from the laws they enforce, not from their position as COs. An OPP officer has the same powers with respect to those laws.

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As do all police officers in Ontario. All police officers in Ontario are also Conservation Officers as defined in the FWCA. Therefore, CO's do not have more authority than Police Officers, with the exception of a few Federal Regulations.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Contact the neighbors,directly. Warn them if their dogs are seen again,they'll be reported to the by-law office. Every municipality in Ontario has dogs running at large and leash by-laws. Fines are nothing to sneeze at. They're damn expensive in most cases.




Absolutely legal in defense of livestock,BUT,they're better be livestock on your property or you'll find yourself in serious trouble if you can't defend your actions.




Oh,yes they do. While enforcing the FWCA,any Police Constable or CO (among other wildlife and fisheries officers)may enter upon and search any property,building or vehicle,without a warrant where R&PG exists that a FWCA offense has,is or is about to be or to prevent an offense from being committed.

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Dwellings being the exception ! Warrants are required.

"When dogs may be killed

2. Any person may kill a dog,
(a) that is found killing or injuring livestock or poultry;
(b) Repealed: 2002, c. 17, Sched. F, Table.
(c) that is found straying at any time, and not under proper control, upon premises where livestock or poultry are habitually kept. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.24, s. 2; 2002, c. 17, Sched. F, Table."

Which does not apply to dogs chasing deer, unless the dogs happen to chase deer on premises where livestock or poultry are habitually kept.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Here's your options - SSS - catch the dogs - let the dogs kill the deer - take your pick -

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Originally Posted by johny

For once, I agree with JoePA
SSS
Shoot, shovel, shut up.

As much as many of us love our dogs.... dogs running on private property are a huge nuisance to wild life.
SSS
End of problem.

Dogs are a dime a dozen.
If you don't believe that, then you are probably a responsible owner who keeps their dog under control and therefore close to home.

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We don't encourage the killing of dogs or other animals illegally on this site. Please keep this in mind (refer to rule #1 of forum rules). Best alternative is to contact the authorities to report it and if possible get the dogs on video so if the owners deny it you have proof to back it up.

Hopefully you find a solution to the issue.

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Originally Posted by CalTek

We don't encourage the killing of dogs or other animals illegally on this site. Please keep this in mind (refer to rule #1 of forum rules). Best alternative is to contact the authorities to report it and if possible get the dogs on video so if the owners deny it you have proof to back it up.

Hopefully you find a solution to the issue.

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There is no solution to this issue. I brought this issue up earlier in a much maligned post that i stopped reading and commenting on after a while, regarding trespassing hunting dogs that run animals outside their property lines.
You really have no recourse... Maybe i should buy a chicken or two, then all of a sudden i'm allowed to defend my property legally. Because i don't own a chicken i can't? dogs are allowed to run deer, bear, moose and all manner of critter all over my properties endangering me and my family as well as others. (running animals on to roads in front of cars, and running bears around my homes)
i've dealt with police over the issue, and as with most things, they are stuck giving some warnings... Until something terrible happens, nothing will happen... I am VERY pro-police, this is not a knock on them, what are they going to do really, when brought into these situations.... enough complaints, and what? i can get some kind of restraining order? still won't keep the dogs away... maybe if i complain for a decade they might lose the ability to own pets??? that's not my aim either. and i don't want to start shooting dogs. but i've had a bear run in a blur within 15 feet of me on my 50 acre property being run by hounds in deer season... it's not safe. it's not the dogs fault
No one can control a dog running animals... unless some kind of wireless leash is invented, then these problems can't be solved in a way that will result in a "win/win."
Buy a chicken.... it's the only legal way to defend your property apparently.

I always have to laugh on how many people think they know the law . lol The never ending song.

I have never been able to nail down 100% what the law was in Ontario but when I worked in the wood in NS we were told to kill any lose dogs we saw running lose and that was from the MNR. I would imagine things have changed these days as most people don't care if Fifi kills a deer only if a hunter does.

OK, so many seem to support shooting dogs that come on their property, how about cats? I have several bird feeders for the birds, peanut feeders for the squirrels and chipmunks, and I spend a lot on seed and peanuts because I enjoy the birds and chipmunks.
The neighbour cats comes over, right up onto my porch, and hides there to catch and kill birds, squirrels, and chipmunks. I have also seen this same cat dragging bunnies home.
So do I get the 12 gauge out and blast all nine lives out of the cat? I live in the city, they have a no discharge bylaw, am I exempt as I am protecting my livestock? After all, even though I am in the city, my lot is actually zoned multi use, residential and agricultural.
My plans for this year are to actually put in a chicken coop, bylaws say no, but zoning says I can!

If it's not my neighbors cat and I don't know who it belongs to and it's bothering my hens they sometimes disappear.

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Originally Posted by PaulR

OK, so many seem to support shooting dogs that come on their property, how about cats? I have several bird feeders for the birds, peanut feeders for the squirrels and chipmunks, and I spend a lot on seed and peanuts because I enjoy the birds and chipmunks.
The neighbour cats comes over, right up onto my porch, and hides there to catch and kill birds, squirrels, and chipmunks. I have also seen this same cat dragging bunnies home.
So do I get the 12 gauge out and blast all nine lives out of the cat? I live in the city, they have a no discharge bylaw, am I exempt as I am protecting my livestock? After all, even though I am in the city, my lot is actually zoned multi use, residential and agricultural.
My plans for this year are to actually put in a chicken coop, bylaws say no, but zoning says I can!

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What breed of chickens??

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Originally Posted by PaulR

OK, so many seem to support shooting dogs that come on their property, how about cats? I have several bird feeders for the birds, peanut feeders for the squirrels and chipmunks, and I spend a lot on seed and peanuts because I enjoy the birds and chipmunks.
The neighbour cats comes over, right up onto my porch, and hides there to catch and kill birds, squirrels, and chipmunks. I have also seen this same cat dragging bunnies home.
So do I get the 12 gauge out and blast all nine lives out of the cat? I live in the city, they have a no discharge bylaw, am I exempt as I am protecting my livestock? After all, even though I am in the city, my lot is actually zoned multi use, residential and agricultural.
My plans for this year are to actually put in a chicken coop, bylaws say no, but zoning says I can!

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Originally Posted by flytyermiller

There is no solution to this issue. I brought this issue up earlier in a much maligned post that i stopped reading and commenting on after a while, regarding trespassing hunting dogs that run animals outside their property lines.
You really have no recourse... Maybe i should buy a chicken or two, then all of a sudden i'm allowed to defend my property legally. Because i don't own a chicken i can't? dogs are allowed to run deer, bear, moose and all manner of critter all over my properties endangering me and my family as well as others. (running animals on to roads in front of cars, and running bears around my homes)
i've dealt with police over the issue, and as with most things, they are stuck giving some warnings... Until something terrible happens, nothing will happen... I am VERY pro-police, this is not a knock on them, what are they going to do really, when brought into these situations.... enough complaints, and what? i can get some kind of restraining order? still won't keep the dogs away... maybe if i complain for a decade they might lose the ability to own pets??? that's not my aim either. and i don't want to start shooting dogs. but i've had a bear run in a blur within 15 feet of me on my 50 acre property being run by hounds in deer season... it's not safe. it's not the dogs fault
No one can control a dog running animals... unless some kind of wireless leash is invented, then these problems can't be solved in a way that will result in a "win/win."
Buy a chicken.... it's the only legal way to defend your property apparently.

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Leave the rest of us out of your problems. You can't get along with your neighbors or adjacent hunt camps, so rather than come to terms with that, you opted to start a campaign to ban hunting dogs. Please leave the rest of us sporting dog people out of your drama.

Peoples dog do chase and kill deer.

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Leave the rest of us out of your problems. You can't get along with your neighbors or adjacent hunt camps, so rather than come to terms with that, you opted to start a campaign to ban hunting dogs. Please leave the rest of us sporting dog people out of your drama.

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Peoples dog do chase and kill deer.

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Shoot'n from the lip again.
I talked to the Kemptville office last year they did not shoot any dogs. I was told they had very few complaints none were investigated further than initial contact and the parties were referred to the local dog catcher.
So exactly where are these dogs that are chasing and killing deer.

You guys go to far when you start talking about shooting dogs and banning hunting dogs.

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If it's not my neighbors cat and I don't know who it belongs to and it's bothering my hens they sometimes disappear.

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BINGO! A rented live trap so you get the right culprit and then yes they disappear. Cats are harder on small game than most natural predators. I like the owner that pays zero attention to the cat and it's activities only to plaster the neighborhood with posters when it disappears.

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Shoot'n from the lip again.
I talked to the Kemptville office last year they did not shoot any dogs. I was told they had very few complaints none were investigated further than initial contact and the parties were referred to the local dog catcher.
So exactly where are these dogs that are chasing and killing deer.

You guys go to far when you start talking about shooting dogs and banning hunting dogs.

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Couldn't agree more. There are isolated instances but things get carried away. As far as that quote about who is legally permitted t shoot a dog....think again as that is not the case. Call your local police, call your MNR or your by law enforcement officer. I know of several instances where dogs were shot and the perpetrators were convicted in court with ordered costs to the owner.

You guys need to find another crusade besides saving all the wildlife that these dogs are catching and killing. Maybe you shouldn't have built your house and destroyed the habit.

Caltek has already warned several folks here who advocate this.

You need to read more. I HAVE never said I was against hunting with hounds!!

Maybe you'll clue in some day!

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Shoot'n from the lip again.
I talked to the Kemptville office last year they did not shoot any dogs. I was told they had very few complaints none were investigated further than initial contact and the parties were referred to the local dog catcher.
So exactly where are these dogs that are chasing and killing deer.

You guys go to far when you start talking about shooting dogs and banning hunting dogs.

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don't get me wrong I have owned Cat's most of my life as well as Dogs. If my Dog leaves the property and is chasing animals well then...

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BINGO! A rented live trap so you get the right culprit and then yes they disappear. Cats are harder on small game than most natural predators. I like the owner that pays zero attention to the cat and it's activities only to plaster the neighborhood with posters when it disappears.

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don't get me wrong I have owned Cat's most of my life as well as Dogs. If my Dog leaves the property and is chasing animals well then...

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"well then".......what, you support someone illegally shooting your dog?? Is that what you mean?
Come on GW you know better than that.

I would suggest 'some' on this thread do some research. Not hard to find the instances where even property owners were held accountable not to mention some others. I think most here are more reasonable in their approach and also follow existing laws but hell I could be wrong....it'll be your dollars and your name in the paper if you're stupid.

Anyone that would purposefully shoot a loose dog to prove their point is in my opinion an (auto deleted) and should be convicted and punished to the highest extent of the law. While you are out hunting with your firearm you are ONLY legally permitted to shoot at legal in season game for which you have a licence / tag for, I don't remember ever season an open dog season.....

You truly have not read this thread have you??

I said when I worked in the woods in NS back in the 1980's I was told to by the MNR. As well here in farm country when a dog is harassing live stock they are shot at times.

Maybe instead of shooting a dog running at large the owner is fined a minimum of 100,000 and loses everything he owns I am sure we can all agree that would be fair then. I know there are a few on here who think the same as someone feeding his family when their down on their luck.

I can see that you personally couldn't give a crap about someone Else's lively hood. Be damn the farmers eh.

As far as MNR saying they have had very few complaints remember there is pretty much no MNR left.

I think in Eastern Ontario we have about 2.

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"well then".......what, you support someone illegally shooting your dog?? Is that what you mean?
Come on GW you know better than that.

I would suggest 'some' on this thread do some research. Not hard to find the instances where even property owners were held accountable not to mention some others. I think most here are more reasonable in their approach and also follow existing laws but hell I could be wrong....it'll be your dollars and your name in the paper if you're stupid.

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Would you be willing to agree to a minimum 100,000 fine?

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Anyone that would purposefully shoot a loose dog to prove their point is in my opinion an (auto deleted) and should be convicted and punished to the highest extent of the law. While you are out hunting with your firearm you are ONLY legally permitted to shoot at legal in season game for which you have a licence / tag for, I don't remember ever season an open dog season.....

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Don't push your luck GW, I have read the thread and for what it's worth I do care about people's livelihood and never did I intimate anything to that effect....farmers are very important to me in my area especially....those are your words not mine.

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Would you be willing to agree to a minimum 100,000 fine?

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This is getting down right stupid.....I can see the point of all this is to drive up your posts count........

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Peoples dog do chase and kill deer.

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So as coyote, wolf, bear, car and hunters..... The # of deer kill by dogs is not worth talking about!

Not really some have suggested that for someone who poaches to feed their family living in the North and down on their luck.

What's the difference.

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This is getting down right stupid.....I can see the point of all this is to drive up your posts count........

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As I said when I worked in the woods in NS we were told by the MNR to shoot to kill. I did not say Ontario.

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So as coyote, wolf, bear, car and hunters..... The # of deer kill by dogs is not worth talking about!

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Yup and yotes probably kill more than poachers to. So is that OK??

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So as coyote, wolf, bear, car and hunters..... The # of deer kill by dogs is not worth talking about!

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Yup and yotes probably kill more than poachers to. So is that OK??

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Poachers don't get shot at or charged 100,000$ either and there are not that many dogs outhere that will kill a deer!

Look if someone wants to shot at a dog it's his own responsibility, I don't care as long as it isn't mine, but vehicules kill a lot more wildlife than a dog so what are those dog killer doing about it?! If I see a dog running after a deer, I don't give a damn after all I might shot that deer when time comes so it will end up dead....

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What is with this constant referral to Nova Scotia ? forget that province , you are living in Ontario we are discussing issues dealing with Ontario , there is no reason to be constantly bringing up Nova Scotia, what happened in Nova Scotia and you , has no bearing here in this province "Ontario".

I love dogs.
Had a Sheltie for 13 years that was a part of the family as much as my children were.
Allowed onto the furniture to sit with us.
Walked 6+ miles daily.
At home he was a yard dog. Did not stray to other property
Yes, he free ranged at our cottage- about 100 yards east and/or west. I asked the neighbours yearly and they never saw him on their property for his whole life.

Lots tears when he died. Unlike most dogs he got to die a natural death. No vet needle. Just a nice fade to death.

Why I am I telling this?
I like dogs… some folks on this forum see me as a dog killer.
I do not support killing dogs running on private property.
But, flytyermiller is correct… there is no solution.
Law enforcement in rural areas is not going to waste their time investigating/prosecuting running dogs.
Land owners get used to it.
Bad owners who let their dogs run on your property have the law in their favour.
You can’t kill their “pet” or else you will be charged.

Bottom line.
Bad dog owners have more rights than land owners.

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I love dogs.
Had a Sheltie for 13 years that was a part of the family as much as my children were.
Allowed onto the furniture to sit with us.
Walked 6+ miles daily.
At home he was a yard dog. Did not stray to other property
Yes, he free ranged at our cottage- about 100 yards east and/or west. I asked the neighbours yearly and they never saw him on their property for his whole life.

Lots tears when he died. Unlike most dogs he got to die a natural death. No vet needle. Just a nice fade to death.

Why I am I telling this?
I like dogs… some folks on this forum see me as a dog killer.
I do not support killing dogs running on private property.
But, flytyermiller is correct… there is no solution.
Law enforcement in rural areas is not going to waste their time investigating/prosecuting running dogs.
Land owners get used to it.
Bad owners who let their dogs run on your property have the law in their favour.
You can’t kill their “pet” or else you will be charged.

Bottom line.
Bad dog owners have more rights than land owners.

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Bottom line
If you have stray dogs on your property call the dog catcher.

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I'd really like to respond to that, but this resort to the language of "rights" has me laughing too hard to type.

Bottom line if you have an issue with a Farmer shooting a dog on his property don't hunt on farm land.

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Bottom line if you have an issue with a Farmer shooting a dog on his property don't hunt on farm land.

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ROFL. This is getting sillier and sillier.

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ROFL. This is getting sillier and sillier.

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This is getting down right stupid.....I can see the point of all this is to drive up your posts count........

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You can't be relevant 15,000 times! And that post count is without being allowed on the off topic section, but some can be argumentative anywhere.

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Bottom line if you have an issue with a Farmer shooting a dog on his property don't hunt on farm land.

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Keep posting Great White - I like to hear what you have to say - you have done things that some have only read about - there seems to be some on this forum who are always criticizing what others post and from their comments it sounds like they are a bunch of wimps - I suggest they may be more in tune with other type of forums - maybe like - the ladies sewing circle forum - or maybe the baking forum - or even maybe one of them ladies only forums - lol

There is only one solution.

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I suggest they may be more in tune with other type of forums - maybe like - the ladies sewing circle forum - or maybe the baking forum - or even maybe one of them ladies only forums - lol

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Probably because they don't have any Goolies to start with ..LOL...

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Keep posting Great White - I like to hear what you have to say - you have done things that some have only read about - there seems to be some on this forum who are always criticizing what others post and from their comments it sounds like they are a bunch of wimps - I suggest they may be more in tune with other type of forums - maybe like - the ladies sewing circle forum - or maybe the baking forum - or even maybe one of them ladies only forums - lol

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You believe everything that people post on the internet, how sad. LOL

Well, shot my dog and we'll see who 's going to lose them....

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There is only one solution.

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Thanks Welsh ,, I needed that.

Problem is, those irresponsible owners can just get new dogs.

A real man would shoot the owners.

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Bottom line
If you have stray dogs on your property call the dog catcher.

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Yeah done that. SPCA is in charge around here. I call in reports and email reports. The SPCA warns him, but if he's to be fined or charged from my reports and pictures, I have to go to court and I'd rather not. If we can tip the SPCA off in time and they can catch the dogs, then they can charge him. We're dealing with a person known to police who thinks dogs can run wherever they want. They have chased cattle and killed a chicken.

Wow, this thread has been all over the place. I have a property that is 50 acres and the deer are constantly chased by the neighbor's three dogs as well as the turkeys. I talked to them and as much as got told to take a hike. The only course of action that seems to be working (although slowly) is to chase the dogs off every chance I get ... it seems the dogs are getting the message slowly and based on my trail cameras I am seeing them less and less in my neck of the woods.

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Keep posting Great White - I like to hear what you have to say - you have done things that some have only read about - there seems to be some on this forum who are always criticizing what others post and from their comments it sounds like they are a bunch of wimps - I suggest they may be more in tune with other type of forums - maybe like - the ladies sewing circle forum - or maybe the baking forum - or even maybe one of them ladies only forums - lol

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He is good at stacking his firewood ??:o is that what you are talking about ? :)

Do you even know what it cost a farmer to raise a cow??

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He is good at stacking his firewood ??:o is that what you are talking about ? :)

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OK not trying to gas up the fire. But I can remember hunting in an area where there was a garbage dump near by and it was common it run into a pack of faral dogs. A pack of them. This was when I first started hunting. After a couple of run ins I started carrying slugs but then never really hunted that area again. But I have always carried slugs on me scence just in case. What to do in that situation shoot or not to shoot.

Everyones had their say?
Good!