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When you see how servicemen are treated during and after their tour of duty - if I was a young man I would never serve in the military - the politicians send your butt all over the world and then expect you to act like you were attending Sunday school - if I was a young man and they instituted the draft I would be one of the first crossing the bridge into Canada or pull a Mohammed Ali - why do I say this - look at this - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/13...l?intcmp=hpbt4
JoePa I would think it would depend on the war! Some are justified, some are not.
No war is justified.
If you don't think so take a minute and be thankful you didn't have to type that in German.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
What a naive, ignorant pathetic post.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
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Originally Posted by GW11
My Dad heading out in Dec. 1939 from Picton armouries -overseas until 1945 . He'd do it again for that cause.
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9vrlplye.jpg
Coming home from that war, they were treated royally. To the day he died he couldn't pay a Dutchman for a product of any kind. Germans starved the Netherlands for many years before they were rescued by the Allied forces.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...on-of-holland/
Agreed !Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
If you attack my Country it's justified.....Or do you think having German Bombers dropping Bombs in England would not have justified the British to fight back...Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
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Originally Posted by Sharon
Not to mention that Canadian Units ground the 12th SS into a bleedy mess, in some of the worst fighting of the war. If the 12th SS had got past the Canadians, they would have trapped and destroyed the American and British troops that where still trying to solidify their lines.
I have two nephews (Afghanistan and Iraq,one still serving) and two BIL's that served in Viet Nam,one who served 4 combat tours. They believed in it then and if they had to do it again,they'd be on the first troop carrier out. Gotta love that American patriotism.
Exactly. I didn't want to brag too much. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
True, starved many, many to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
They are big fans of the US 101st Airborne also. I have friends there that still tends to the grave of family fallen in Holten Cemetary. I send him a gift certificate as it's illegal to ship him his favorite Kentucky Whiskey.
Actually had the Canadian Government recognize him and send him a letter of appreciation for his thoughtfulness of Canadian War Dead in Holten.
Great picture Sharon! Most of us will never forget!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
My Grandfather went in at Juno Beach and his time overseas ended when he stepped on a mine in the Scheldt Estuary. He survived that (as well as being shot twice) and lived until he was in his mid eighties. I have no doubt that even though he endured enough horrors to last multiple lifetimes, he would have done it all over again for the same cause.
The Scheldt Estuary was quite possibly the worst battle zone in WW2. Absolutely essential though to have a port that would allow them to bring supplies to Europe. He was fortunate to survive. Honor to him.
Anyone interested in WW ++ history should pay for channel AHC - great documentaries weekly.
edited - American Heroes Channel but lots of Canadian documentaries too.
When I first subscribed it was called the Military channel--now its the American Heroes Channel. It takes a bit to separate the wheat from the chaff now but there are still some very good documentaries and interviews with other services. One of the few channels I do think is worthwhile.
My reply comes from someone who's father served in the Merchant Marines in WW2, Canadian Army in Korea & myself with 13 years in the Canadian Army.
First off the start of this thread shoots down the US military because some members were punished for war crimes for shooting prisoners in the back after deliberately letting them escape.
After WW2 we didn't let the Germans off with the excuse we were just following orders. Many were sentenced far more severely including death.
Same standard should be applied to all.
Even today a few from then are still being arrested & tried for war crimes dating back to WW2.
If the order is unjust it is your duty to refuse it period.
No sympathy here.
Part of their training should have and I don't doubt did include the Rules of War (Geneva Convention).
For the last many years and especially since the cancellation of the US draft recruits on the average have far better education than those from earlier times. Play stupid doesn't work.
Playing I was just following orders doesn't cut it.
what I find hard to fathom is on one hand a Civil servant say in Revenue Canada seems to get better pay, benefits and pension than our service men and women. What is a member of the armed forces other than a civil servant?
Yes there are wars where we are expected to fight and die if necessary - WWII was one of those - but there have been other wars where we ended up fighting for someone else - look at Korea - many died and it ended in a stale mate - look at Nam - same thing - many died and we are now trading with that country - look at Iraq - many died - for what - I say let people fight for there own freedom - we should furnish weapons to them but let them do the fighting - too often we get into wars and fight with our hands tied behind our backs because the politicians don't know what they want to do - in a lot of these wars you don't know who your enemy is - they are friendly to your face and if you turn back they try to kill you
When you are in combat you don't live or think the same as if you are safe at home - all you see is people getting killed and after awhile you grow accustomed to it and next thing guys do is kill someone to make sure they are safe or for revenge because some of your buddies were just killed -
I remember after WWII a lot of vets came back and as a young man I would listen to the stories they would tell - there were occasions when they said that they saw prisoners being shot - I remember in particular a story a submariner told - they got into a harbor area off the coast of Japan - at night they had to surface but unfortunately a Jap fishing boat that they weren't aware of was close to them when they surfaced - if they did nothing the fishermen would tell of the subs position so they shot all the fishermen on the boat - so things like that happen in war - that's why war is hell and everything should be done to prevent it if at all possible - but unfortunately people never learn because they don't study history and each generation doesn't know what happened in the past - only to repeat the mistakes
When I was a kid WWII was going on and I remember so many guys in the neighborhood were in the service - people had little flags hanging in their windows with stars on them indicating how many sons they had in service - a gold star indicated that a son was killed in action - I remember one neighbor who had 4 sons in the service - two of them were killed - another one came back but was in and our of a mental hospital after that - the one brother told how his brother was on burial detail and picking up dead bodies - some were so decomposed that they broke apart them they tried to load them on trucks - the poor guy was never the same from that experience -
Oh - one other thing I may as well mention - I had a uncle who was killed in WWII - he had the same name as me - he died on the Russian front while in the German army - he didn't want to go to war but like so many - when your country goes to war you don't have much of a choice - you go or else - luckily my parents came to this country before the war broke out over there
I still think thy should take better care of the guys and gals after thy come home from service.
Was there much grief with having a German name as a kid or had they learned from The Great War? My older Uncles and grandparents ( all English, Scott, Irish) said the Germans in England didn't get any real grief, in fact sometimes they were seen as the worst off. I know they used them more then a few times to listen in on prisoners, even going so far as to use a wounded comrade ( burns on the left hand, but they bandaged both so he had a weapon under the bandages of his right hand), with a fake head wound so he did not have to talk much, and could be "confused" and not remember things.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Yes - growing up during the war I was always fighting with other kids because of them calling me names - luckily there were a large number of German families in the neighborhood so I wasn't alone - I remember an FBI agent coming to the house one time and talking to my parents - there were a lot of Italians around too and they got the business at times - but we hung in there and after awhile things kinda settled down - most of my relatives were still living in southern Germany during the war - after the war my parents sent care packages over there to help them out
I had a cousin who met Hitler as he was heading to his place in the Bavarian Alps - she was just a little girl at the time and when Hitler drove through her small village the school children would line up along the road - she was designated to give him some flowers that the kids had gathered - she later told us that the thing she remembers about him was his shiny boots and his eyes - they scared her - she later married a American soldier and came to America as a war bride - I would listen to her for hours as she told us of what happened over there during and after the war - what a tragic mistake they made allowing such a man to gain power in that country - can you imagine the millions that ended dying because of him - will we ever learn
My relatives came from Germany in 1774- fighting with the British in the American Revolution..... called Hessians. Over the years it became very unpopular to have a German name. It got changed from Denhart to Danard to..... and finally to Dainard. Has made following your family tree very difficult. :)
I can imagine it would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
One side of my family goes back beyond the Roman invasion of Brittanica, they were why karen's ancestors built the wall. The second were "Northmen" that came and went over the years, the last side is Normand . They got all three side of the family together in 1066, and we have been fighting, intermingling and leaving kids since then.
Sort of what is currently happening in US politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Trump has very similar traits.
Trump have strong feelings that you should be proud of your country, and that one should protect the interests of yourself and your country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
As soon as you used the "Trump is Hitler" statement you have lost any creditable voice in a debate.
hussein created way more devisveness in his 7.5 years, it's just that it's ok to YOU, because it was a liberal agenda to divide and weaken American.
He divided along political party, race, religion, hawks v doves, sex, police v citizens, Feds v States, Israel v everyone else,
green v non green, guns v non guns, climate v non climate, etc. etc.
So ironic that the liberals have fought for this day for decades with little resistance from a live and let live America. Now that it's here and they do not like the pushback from folks they are trying to force their utopia on.
People in America are tired of the way liberalism and socialism has affected America. That frustration is the tip of the spear that has gotten behind Trump. It could have easily have been MR FNUMNULNU(First Name Unknown,Middle Name Unknown, Last Name Unknown.)
It "ain't Trump, much of America has a hate on for liberalism and socialism and mediocrity.
What? Trump uses race as a reason to discriminate but Hitler didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
I'm sure Trump loves his Mexican neighbors just like Hitler liked his Polish neighbors.
Trump has no problem with violence of his supporters just like Hitler.
Even most sane US citizens see through his BS.
You want to talk creditably lets try a debate instead of a a statement dismissing someone due to their opinion differs from ours.
Oh again another Trump trait.
You cannot possibly compare trump to the likes of a Hitler who stands in company with Lenin and Stalin, Idi Amin Dada, Pol Pot, Mao Tse tung and others of their kind. Where the heck do you see a Trump in that list?
Trump does not like "illegal" immigrants be they Mexican or canadian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
The police are at Trump campaign stops to control protestors not Trump supporters.
Most Americans I meet like Trump.
Because Trump doesn't support the liberal open border "screw" your country agenda of the Left wing communists.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Guys, it's obvious that Trump is not in the same class as the likes of Hitler, Stalin etc, but I think what Woodsman was pointing to is the way that he tends to appeal to humanity's worst qualities in his speeches. It's easy to rant about problems created by Mexicans and Muslims in a room full of white people, but it's certainly not fair to those he is putting down. I see some parallels between Trump today and the documentaries I've watched about Hitler in the early 1930's; I'm not saying that history will necessarily repeat itself, but to me he is not a responsible statesman.
Boy Wood' - with all due respect I hate to say that you are in left field on this one - is there something wrong when Trump wants to stop illegal immigration - I don't think so - as far as his followers causing violence - it's just the other way around - at every Trump rally there are violent demonstrators opposing him - he is saying what most Americans want to here because the country is going down the tubes in a hand basket - I'm a Trump supporter - we finally got a guy who has enough guts to put the PC Bs were it belongs -Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
BS.
Trump says exactly what a huge block of America wants to say but can't say because of overreaching government political correctness.
The current government is no friend of the Jew much to the anger of many Americans. Look at Obamas treatment of Netanyahu.
The liberal only loves a Jew every four years at election time and is a hypocrite condeming them and their actions the balance of the time.
Giving benefits to illegal immigrants and their offspring is wrong especially at the expense of Americans that have worked and paid into
benefit programs.
Processes abound for legal entry. Many that come over are criminals no different than Castro's Mariel boatlift.
Obama has divided America thru his legislation and at the same time increased frustration by his covert use of the Dept. of Justice, IRS and his executive orders while twisting the Political Correctness burner so none can vent.
Well... now America is primed for the big one. Just what Obama wanted, planned for, strived for and acheived. People are divided, full of provoked hatred, sick of government over reach into their lives, businesses, schools, churches and core beliefs.
AND YOU WANT TO BLAME TRUMP? What a silly, biased, hypocritical conclusion AND this thread is NOT about TRUMP. It is about controversey around military conduct.