The British people voted to get out of the EU - why? - because of immigration - they were losing their country and got tired of it - sounds exactly what is happen here in the US
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The British people voted to get out of the EU - why? - because of immigration - they were losing their country and got tired of it - sounds exactly what is happen here in the US
Like peas in a pod.
When the people voted they never brought up the economic factors that this would bring. If a currency drops 1% that's bad, the Pound Sterling has dropped 8% in a couple hours. It's projected to drop between 15-20%, that's horrible. Just wait for the inflation to kick in soon.
Immigration policy is only a small part of it. Britons were fed up with having their nation controlled from Brussels and Berlin (literally). They say they were getting screwed over and they took steps to stop it. Good on them for being ballsy enough to buck the establishment and say "Enough."Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Now if only they would let NI vote on leaving the UK :)
And just to clarify huge difference in immigration and refugee. The majority of immigrants in the UK are Australian, Irish, and American.
This is another wake up call that the younger generations are tired of the establishment. The same thing that is going on in the States and what happened here.
I don't think they're comparable,at all. What's happening in the US is an uprising of "The Silent Majority" of a a vast former middle class who have lost jobs to economic corruption and outsourcing to foreign countries as matter of governmental foreign policy. This mess we've gotten ourselves into was a "protest vote" against one person by younger voters duped into believing that legalization of pot was the be all,end all of political gain without one shred of forethought about what the ramifications of electing a leftist government at this juncture in history would entail "down the road."Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
My understanding is that the younger voters were overwhelmingly in favor of staying in the EU...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
You just nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The trend we are in regarding voters is alarming. Ontario endorses living beyond its means and has given majorities both Provincially and Federally to idiots who don't care about economic health as long as they get to rule and have the PIN numbers to the credit cards. As for Brexit, I fear it could have a domino effect and the EU is heading for an iceberg while people party on the credit cards.
The younger generation (millennials) in the UK were on the stay side, the younger generation in the US is on the Bernie train and here they voted for more establishment and government control, not less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
In my experience anyone under about 35 years old is a product of the very liberal education system, they believe everything they are told by the media and like being told what to do by the government.
One interesting remark I heard yesterday about Britain dealing with the EU after departure - "If you're not at the table then you're on the menu."
No that will be great.......I will be buying a lot more gear from there. My pigeon gear and stuff is only available from over there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
The younger generation was generally voting to stay in the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
What he said and i am a Brit expat
If you check the stats you find that a much higher % of younger generation 18-30 yearolds voted to remainQuote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
Good on the Brits for leaving.
Nice to see people getting to vote and get what they want.
How many levels of people telling you what to do are needed. Hopefully they can make the country great again.
I for one hope so. I'm tired of Merkel and Belgium trying to run the UK at the Brits expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
Trudough should take notes. He very much plans on rigging our electoral system that has been in place since Confederation without holding a referendum on it. If Harper had done that there would have been heads explode and people in the streets with pitchforks. But Harper was a "ordinary" looking man though.......Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
Agreed, we can now expect Quebec to go on a separation rampage that will require billions to prop up the Quebec gov't and keep it in Canada ..... of course if it leaves billions in payments Canada won't have to make and.... And .... AND .... JUSTIN IS FROM QUEBEC...Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
QUEXIT vote Yes and take Justin with..... :moose::moose::moose:
From the current news articles circulating, I don't think the Leave campaign expected a win. It could be selection bias of the interviewers though. I'm glad my pension is not tied closely with Britain or the pound; maybe it's a good time to buy some International index fund units.
This is an interesting before/after talking point comparison (http://nyti.ms/291ivB2)
There seems to be no rush to do anything, and maybe not make any changes with regard to those contentious issues after all.
I guess we will see how binding the British Parliament decides this referendum was.
On a referendum as far-reaching as this,it surprises me that the vote requirement was 50%+1 to take the UK out of the EU. I would have thought they would have set it much higher,like 65/35 to avoid all of the acrimony from the losing side. I'm also surprised at the attitude of The Scots after their Separation vote with a win for the "stay" side. Sometimes,it's far better to wait for the smoke to clear before lighting another fire.
Another interesting parallel to this.
google exploded following the results with topics such as "what is the EU", "what will leaving mean", etc etc.
goes to show how little attention and how ill informed electorates are. Shades of Ontario and Canada.
LOL Iceland just kicked them out of the Euro Cup. How fitting.
Well - no matter what the results will bring - if you were on your toes you could have make big bucks in the market - now the key is to figure how low it will go - talking about on yours toes - one way to do that is raise the urinals in the men's room
I saw an article talking about a new petition to the British Parliament. The gist was that they wanted a second referendum would be triggered if turnout was less than 75% or the winning vote had less than 60% support. Seems kinda late in the game to put a procedural framework in place:whacked:. Either way, PM Cameron summarily rejected the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Scotland and Northern Ireland are showing some stress cracks in UK, put who knows what political will there is for action. Scotland voted by 62% to 38% to remain;
I think the issue with the Scots was the 2014 vote for 'stay' included a UK as part of the EU, instead of Scotland becoming an independent country that would have to negotiate their own place in the EU and with the remaining UK. Those conditions that they voted to 'stay' on are going to disappear, so did they vote to stay with the EU or with the UK? So, I can see why they might want clarity. Looks like the Scottish Parliament might try to block the triggering of Article 50 and keep it both ways.
Northern Ireland voted by 55.8% to 44.2% to remain.
Sinn Fein's MEP made a plea to the EU to let Norther Ireland stay (VIDEO)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36651621
Interesting that London was 59.9% to 40.1% to remain as well.
Looks like politicking is the same the world over.;)
Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their tune?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36641390
Also, on the immigration thing, I guess Britain will be expectantly waiting to see what happens with Switzerland. Same line of thinking: they want to place their own restrictions on the 'free movement' EU policy, but still have preferential access to the EU common market with other benefits.
The EU is already paring down access to benefits, programs, and looking at re-negotiations for the Swiss, after it was stated that Switzerland could not fulfill the 'free movement' requirements of the EU. Small stuff so far - no more EU funding for Swiss college and university students, and the Swiss will have to re-negotiate their electricity supply network deal with the EU. Switzerland may end up getting the stick for the Brexit result?
I agree with you about how binding the referendum is. However, when you have 75% of the population voting in a referendum and a majority tells the parliament which way it wants it to go, ignoring the results of the referendum would be committing political suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooboy76
This issue is way above my pay grade, but I can say it's refreshing to see a government allow a vote by their people !!
A country having its own sovereignty, what a novel idea.
Both major parties are imploding a bit with the Labour Party dissolving before our eyes, and the current PM leaving by Fall; so maybe they have not as much to lose as it looks ;-). I agree 75% turnout is pretty amazing and can not be set aside lightly. The margin of victory is alarmingly small though - less than 2%! It is amazing to think that a vote result by 38.9% of their population has such a drastic, immediate, and what promises to be a long lasting effect on the whole nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
PM Cameron does appear intent on honouring the referendum result; I guess we will see if he gets to do it on his terms.
Also, that Farage guy from UKIP is hilarious to watch. He sounds like Michael Caine, but comes out swinging like Bill O'Reilly.
More calls yesterday on referendums for ulster and Scotland for independence. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
Looks like the EU is trying to speed this along too, if you don't want to stay in then get out.
The UK may dissolve, this could cause some very interesting changes.
The Scots lost the last separation referendum by a healthy margin. Despite all the emotional rhetoric,cooler heads will hopefully prevail. They don't have the industrial or resources base to go it alone and all the BS and bluster is just that. Ulster will not separate or they risk losing all the ground they've gained since Ian Paisley kicked the bucket. The western economic markets are already starting to stabilize and will likely continue as things calm down. It's time to have "a wee dram" and chillax.
They're too stingy to separate.
The Scots don't want to leave the EU though. The UK could very well be something for the history books. I think the problem with the EU is that like all governments what started as a good idea just morphed into another bloated political body that overreached its mandate. The stronger members like England can go it alone but the smaller and near bankrupt members will be the ones making the noise as they can no longer survive without the subsidies. Think Greece for example.
I can't speak of anything about Scotland but I know in Northern Ireland the EU benefits are huge. Most of the agricultural and fisheries are EU subsidized, same with the ship yards and film industries, almost to double of what they had from uk. Most kids on border towns go to republic schools and same with jobs. The passport issue is now becoming big as you can have a British or Irish passport being from ulster. The logistics in trying to close that border is huge and didn't work before.
And by close I just mean to seal and patrol like before
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
You musta missed a bunch of info on that Scots referendum. They only chose to stay with the UK because at the time it would have meant losing membership in the EU.
That was the ONLY reason Scotland voted to stay part of the UK. Now that the UK is leaving the EU, Scotland will definitely vote to leave AND you can bet your bottom dollar that the EU will eagerly accept them, just to stick it to the UK.
H-m-m-m-m,interesting times ahead,then,right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
Got a kick out of Obama and Jr today. Essentially taking shots at Trump and the UK for "protectionism". While I agree on one hand, they have their heads so far up their backsides they don't get it. Brexit was as much about the working class being sick of progressive elites and back lash as anything else.
ditto Trump. Trump not popular because he's some great politician. He's popular because the leftist of the world, don't get it.
not unlike Marie Antounette
Saw this and laughed http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...23e9858ca9.jpg