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My 23 year old son completed all of the recruitment requirements for the Washington D.C. police department last year, and was just awaiting the call telling him when to report to the academy when he was offered a job with the U.S. Department of Defense that he could not turn down. I was so proud of his willingness to serve his community, but I am so glad he is not a cop today.
There has got to be something wrong - why would people kill cops knowing that they will die also - I believe the cops are partly responsible for what is going on - many of them mistreat people especially blacks - just watch what has been recorded on YouTube - people are finally getting fed up with the situation - unfortunately the wrong cops are often getting shot - the police must clean their ranks of rogue cops and they need to act more as servants than SS storm troopers - cops have brought this on themselves - too often the so-called good cop stands by while some bully is beating up on some citizen -
You can protest until you are blue in the face - and nothing will happen - sometimes violence is necessary to get people's attention - now don't get me wrong - I ain't justifying the killing of these cops but I can see where some people get pissed off enough to do things like that -
"when the law is unjust then resistance is duty" - Thomas Jefferson
The media has to take a lot of blame , as they always make a lot of news when black people are shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
The Washington Post , have kept records , in 2015 , 258 black people where shot also that year , 464 white people were shot , almost twice as many , but they hardly make the headlines , WHY".
What / why the big fixation on black people by the news media.?
WHITE LIVES ALSO MATTER!
I agree ! The media is largely at fault.
Deepest condolences to the Baton Rouge Police Dept., the East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Dept. and their families on their loss.
Rest easy Brothers, for we have the watch from here....
JoePa - your are right on.
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Originally Posted by jaycee
The media is responsible for cops shooting at blacks, and whites, for no reason! All these videos must not show the true.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Not too sure where is the logic but for some it makes a lot of sense....
Maybe sometime, things are just as bad as they look, no excuse....
Crime Matters!!
Cops don't go by the media, only the bleeding hearts do.
Cops go by what is reality, what they experience, what they see everyday, who is commiting the crime.
When 12% of the 330 million do 26% of the juvenile crime and 80% of crack arrests it doesn't take long to form a fact based opinion, regardless of the BS media. That's what cops do...they catch criminals. Doesn't take but a few shifts to figure out who does the most of almost ANY crime in any city anywhere in America. Look at the STATS from the FBI UCR.
It spells out where, who, age, sex, etc. etc.
Hard to catch, convict and sentence a little angel.........
Did you see David Clark roast don lemmon from CNN last night it was a thing of beauty .. Don got so pissed he went to a break about 3 min into the conversation
Yes I saw it. The reason don went to break so fast was so he could find his own azz. He found it in his own hands after the Sheriff handed it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark270wsm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/us/wis...his/index.html
Finally someone has the intestinal fortitude to speak the truth of what is really going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssiIWNRUxnE - so if your black what are you thinking -
We go back and forth between parties trying to determine what is going on. During an investigation upon a dispatched call it is normal to get both names in the end for a narrative report to be filed. He saw the compaintant first, as is customary and LOGICAL.
Apparently you assume he won't get the name of the complaintant even though she had to give it to dispatch, provide a call back number to dispatch(so as to be called back if an officer is tied up and will be late, needs more info, etc)
If you obstruct that investigation by failure to cooperate, whether you are plaid, black, white, yellow, red or alein gray, you will be dealt with according to your behavior during the initial investigation until the cop has a clear picture of what is actually happening and who is the agressor/law breaker.
Likely since no crime was committed(or seemed that way upon a brief initial interview of a few seconds) if that held true with the second interview he would advise both to chillax, file no report and all would be on their way.
Joe in the time frame of Afghanistan and Iraq wars almost as many people were killed in Chicago as in the war theater. I am not bang on the stats but something like 4200 in the middle east and 3700 in Chicago over the same time frame.
most of them were black on black murders. Rogue cops are an issue and must be addressed absolutely but why is Obama and the community not attacking this murder issue with the same zeal as cops shooting blacks? 3700 murders is a lot of murders.
The most difficult calls to go on was the "unknown disturbance" where the caller had already hung up. Many times we'd be sent to some god-forsaken location 15 miles into the boonies at the end of a 1/4 mile driveway up to some farmhouse that's in pitch darkness without anyone around. Those calls gave us the shivvers. Our dispatchers were first rate in providing intel from callers back in the days where we had local dispatchers who knew who the "players" were instead of integrated super dispatch centers like are in use today,most of whom don't know "jack". The Baton Rouge shooter deliberately travelled from one city to another,flew completely under the radar,was unaffiliated with any terrorist group and was a complete unknown until after the fact. Every copper in America will be paranoid as all get out for a long time to come after the smoke clears from this one and who can blame them.
Why did the cops grab her - because she wouldn't give them her ID - she has the right not give her ID because she has not been accused of committing a crime - the cops broke the law - not her - she should file a complaint and then sue - this is a prime example why there is a trend in this country to not like cops - we need cops that know and follow the law - that respect the rights of each citizen -
One other thing - you aren't obligated to cooperate with the police - look what happens in Washington - a senate committee is investigating the IRS - the IRS person takes the 5th - another committee is investigating the E-mail scandal and what happens - Clinton's aids take the 5th - that is hardly aiding an investigation -
Most of those murdered in Chicago are gang bangers shooting each other - as far as I'm concerned they came keep doing it - I won't lose any sleep over it - unfortunately some innocent bystander gets nailed once in awhile -Quote:
Originally Posted by bardern
Cops shooting back guys isn't really the main issue - at least as far as I can see it - the main issue is the mistreatment of citizens by the police - for years the cops pretty much got their way and did what they wanted - right or wrong - and the result is that there is an attitude in the police departments that they can do what they want and the hell with individual rights - with people filming them now it is becoming public knowledge that is happening and the cops are having a hard time adjusting - this so-called war on cops thing is a direct result of this behavor
So you believe you can be implicated in a crime(as in this parking lot call) and obstruct justice, become disorderly upon a legal, lawful order by an investigating officer and that is acceptable?
The beligerant person wasn't simply an idle witness that wished to not participate, but an alleged participant just as the other one was, once the beligerant one stated so.
I have actually run into similar situations, finally got a SSN from the suspect(that came back and it didn't fit the suspect), called a nearby city PD cop that worked gangs there and he drove over and confirmed he knew the guy wasn't related to whom the suspect stated he was related to. So still no real name or ID.
After a trip downtown and some more thorough checking the guy was wanted for a serious gang shooting in the State Capital.
It's one thing to be a non participant in a crime and then decline to cooperate or give a name/get involved but it's another to be a suspect in a possible crime, obstruct an investigation into a possible crime, refuse a lawful order by a policeman and become disorderly and resist.
Sky' - let me make a few points - first off their was no crime committed - the cop even stated this - second - the black lady did not have to give the cop her id - she has the right not to - when the cop broke the law by assaulting her because she wouldn't give her id at that point the cop was no longer a police officer doing his duty - because it was an unlawful order - when this happens a person can legally resist a cop - in fact if a cop oversteps his legal responsibilities and causes a citizen to truly fear for his life that citizen can legally defend himself - to a point of shooting the cop - http://theantimedia.org/state-makes-...e-your-rights/
In the situation we are discussing the cop should have let it go - and went for donuts
If I'm walking down the sidewalk and a cop stops me and asks me for id I would tell him no I ain't giving it to him - if he asks me where I am going I'd tell him it is none of his business - I still live in a free country and not in Nazi Germany where you had to show the jackboots your "papers"
Joe....relax, take a deep breath and THINK. The lady was driving erratically per the complaintant and struck her window and was screaming at the complaintant, per the complaintant.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Although private parking lots can get into grey area WRT damages and police reports, crime is still crime when determinable.
The cop is a mistaken. Aggressive driving, assaultive behavior and screaming is disorderly conduct and disturbing the piece at the least the agressive driving could be a sign of impaired driving.
All of this may be a lie from the comlaintant or half truths, maybe she was the agressor. A cop won't know anything until he investigates. Meaning he must speak to the other party(s).
The law of the land states one must comply for request for ID made by a police officer that has reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed. Just because the cop didn't really want to fool with a petty dustup doesn't mean a crime was committed.
I would have taken both D.L. and run them for wants or warrants and if nothing there, I'd advise them to chill and have a nice day. However if I get disorderly conduct on top of and parallel with what the complaintant already witnessed, she's going to cause herself grief. I'm just trying to understand the situation and determine what happened and if a crime was actually committed or not.
So, you are incorrect. read Hiibel v 6th district, Nevada I think and it will explain why you are wrong about cops and IDs.
The officer may have been under the impression that no crime was committed when speaking with the complainant. Upon speaking to the suspect, that assumption may have changed. Bottom line is, comply with LEO. If you feel you were unfairly treated, there are avenues to deal with that at a later time. Being an arse to an officer or resisting only escalates tensions.....
Exactly Rick.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
As a cop, you don't know until you hear all sides, sometimes it takes going back and forth between each party to get to the bottom of what actually happened. The public not knowing the laws and their correct legal rights, being disorderly, which leads to resistance and disturbing the peace is not likely to help your cause.
We all carried business cards and I handed them out all the time after an interaction so that if ANY felt mistreated, they had my info AND THE SHIFT CAPTAIN'S direct phone line.
Well - at the point where the cop grabs the lady's arm - what crime has she committed - what crime did he charge her for - did the cop tell her what crime she committed - no - the cop got mad because she wouldn't id herself - and he is the one who escalated the situation
And as far as cops knowing the law that is debatable for sure - time and time you see videos where cops don't even know that it is perfectly legal to film them yet they threaten people with arrest if they continue to film - I have made it a point to know my rights - spent a lot of time reading about this subject - if I was that woman I would file a complaint and get myself a good lawyer - with the money I get I would buy myself a new Lund 18 ft. boat -
Well, the cop should have never said "no crime" before he even got started investigating and it went down hill from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Either leave all parties alone(if there was no crime)or investigate and interview the two.
If he was conducting himself properly to start with(meaning investigating to determine criminality), he could charge her with...take your pick
before the physical contact
1. interferring with a police officer.Obstructing
2. disobeying a lawful order
3. disorderly conduct
4. disturbing the peace.
after the contact
5. resisting
Now her car could be inventoried(seized/searched), towed at her expense and possibly other charges added.
The video didn't run long enough to hear any charges.
Buy the Lund, I looked a one with a 25 merc on it a few minutes ago.
Yea - I priced a Lund last year - with everything I would like it would run close to 32K - I have a 91 Bass Tracker now 17ft deep V - it's kinda beat up but still is sea worthy and does the job - the one thing about a new boat you have to be so careful with it so it doesn't get scratched or banged up - with an old boat there is a lot less stress - maybe I'll get one some day when a cop pulls me over and does something wrong - I'm all ready with the filming and everything
I meant to ask you - there is a skypilot on the Lance Owners forum - I was wondering if that is you or is there another skypilot around
Spend the money, you deserve it and fishing only adds to our days. Better yet take a cop fishing but bring him back.......Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
The boat I looked at was more of a fishing, hunting ducks type of hull, however a nice boat, swivel seats, livewell, etc.
No sir, that wouldn't be me on that forum. anyway, I have a Keystone Springdale.
Hey Sky' - what you think of this one -http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/21/south-florida-police-shoot-autistic-mans-caretaker-as-lies-in-street.html
That officer needs to be flippin' burgers at McDonalds !!!!! Goes to show you how jumpy LEOs are now. I predicted it would get worse !!!!
I didn't view the video, I briefly saw a media report earlier. It would seem to be negligence unless the cop is stupid enough to purposefully shoot in that situation.
I would be curious to know if it was a Glock sidearm. I've seen a few accidental/negligent discharge/ shootings with a Glock.
One was cop on cop after a slip on wet grass and a fall with a .40 Glock and numerous NDs on the range.
Not sure why a cop would have a gun drawn on an austistic escapee(and the caretaker) anyway, but I don't have all the details.