Well our wonderful MNRF has went ahead and did it , good luck to the deer and moose and beaver populations in these areas
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Well our wonderful MNRF has went ahead and did it , good luck to the deer and moose and beaver populations in these areas
http://www.marketwired.com/press-rel...an-2159025.htm
I believe that's the link the the story.
Unreal... the bleeding hearts win again.
Was there any doubt ? So much for public consultation !
We may as well completely ignore the EBR postings. They're just a waste of time. This was a done deal long before the "public consultation" period was ever posted. What a crock of shyte. They haven't eliminated the livestock protection section,so,I'm betting a lot will still be shot,SSS.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Can't say this wasn't a foregone conclusion. In all likelihood the decision was made long before the EBR, but appearances and going through the motions "count", and for reasons that have nothing to do with science.
https://www.ofah.org/2016/09/emotion...olfcoyote-ban/
It's enough to set old folks to f.........having sex,isn't it? These Liberals just gotta go.
I agree jben...i think it was a done deal long before the erb. the mis-management at the ministry is insane right now...dare i ask the question - whats next?
this is an anti-hunters dream, there is now no yote or wolf hunting/trapping and in a few short years deer and moose will be gone as well...
This was decided,cut and dried,long before that. The original EBR posting had over 10K postings,apparently running 85% against any further township bans all of which were (obviously) completely ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
They should move wolves and bears into Toronto or Ottawa so they can start eating some people there. It will help with over population, bleeding heart politicians, and maybe change some liberal views when their grandma gets ate.
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The livestock guys should be fighting this one too and they usually get listened to more than hunters.
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What percentage of the property in those areas is active farm land?Quote:
Originally Posted by 69firebird
This is not a ban on hunting in SW Ontario but rather big bush areas.
On top of that this is a hunting ban, shooting animals that are killing your livestock is not hunting, that is not being changed.
Counties from Bancroft to Sudbury. Lots of livestock, not just big bush. And bans in those counties will mean population increase and overflow into adjacent areas.
If you don't believe me Kawartha lakes council opposed the ban. Kawartha lakes historically has record number of livestock losses to coyotes.
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And what's the odds you are going to see the yotes harassing your cattle In order to shoot one? Not very high. So trapping is the most effective.
Edit---Fox your wrong buddy
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Fox, I'll see if I can find the map with the new ban zones. It's "too late now" though so not sure what good it will do, all that's left now is living with the consequences and its going to affect far more than just sheep.
For now.
I live 10 minutes outside Lindsay, ton of farm field and livestock and tons of Coyotes around me. The southern border of one zone is maybe 10 minutes North of Lindsay, runs east towards Omemee, right through to Peterboro/Bancroft and North to the S edge of APP. In short, a big chunk of the Kawartha Lakes. Hardly bush/forest.
The Yotes will eventually head to the safe zones and raise hell.
And likely doesn't count any of the input from any of the affected townships either. Know for a fact Kawartha Lakes were against it. But yep, obviously this was political and nothing anyone said, nor any facts would have mattered. As many people except for Mike saw and called it. As the OFAH release statesQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Emotion over science, you'd think they'd have learned by now (Bears). <<Also said/inferred by OFAH.
Makes you wonder how /why they picked on certain townships, Butt, McCraney and Livingston are all along the western side of Algonquin Park, yet they are not listed as closed townships in this wolf ban.
We hunt moose in Livingston township which is in WMU#54 , which abuts the park,and where we see /hear mainly , wolves when we are up there, very strange ???
They've been tracking them for the past few winters with GPS collars..so they know where the head once they leave the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Absolutely disgusting. Instead of banning it they should have put a bounty on them.
There are herds of cattle on QE2 Wildlands PP, so someone is running cattle in the bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
They should have repealed the entire ban already in place as indicated by the UofT and Trent studies.It quite clearly is meaningless and ecologically unsound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jack
There's still active cattle operations and sheep farms inside the KHPP boundaries,not sure of the QEII Wildlands. These are a real bone of contention between owners and the government and have been since the Toronto cottagers started all this crap. With all things Liberal,the squeeky wheel gets the grease,especially,if there's money and votes attached.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
It is still legal to protect your livestock, shoot them if they are going after your livestock, nothing illegal about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
Please take a look a the maps but I am pretty sure it does not matter.
I know that the people up in arms are the ones that want every predator dead, bears, wolves, coyotes, fox, anything that may predate on their hunting opportunities needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, I know how it is.
Those townships are part of the original ban. Any township touching the park are off limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Matt I don't know much about trapping but what does this mean with respect to quotas in these areas? How many would one line expect to be allotted in the season?Quote:
Originally Posted by trappermatt
I don't hunt coyotes or wolves, nor the ban affect me. This is still a huge "mistake".
Would it it be reasonable to assume that coyotes and coyote hybrids will do well without hunting pressure ( see bears). Would it be unreasonable to propose they will lose their fear of man? Know those that I came across while deer hunting 53a had zero and I do mean zero fear us. Twice coming within 20 feet.
would it then be reasonable then to expect livestock to "suffer" the consequences more? And would it then be reasonable to suspect farm owners will have a harder time.
would it be reasonable to suspect that many other species lower on the food chain will suffer. Like Beaver, WT, Moose, Fox.
Would it be unreasonable to expect them to expand even further, especially coyotes, which are already causing problems and are not native.
Has nothing to do with hunting.
I doubt that many ranchers/farmers kill very many wolves. Trappers may get a portion of those taken along with a few from hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I personally don't know any haters but I also have no doubt there are some, I just doubt they affect wolf/coyote populations in any threatening way.
Looks like it will affect all of my Northern coyote hunting area.
Fox what is wrong with you are you an anti planted on here?
It's not about hating predators.
It's about losing animals to trap and hunt it's about people's livelyhoods and
incomes.
And what's next to be banned?
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actually no many of the people who are concerned about this don't feel that way , but thanks for trying to lump us all into one basketQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I don't live in the area that has been declared 'no hunting' but like many I will be affected by a decision like this. If MNR can close some areas they can and will close other areas in the future.
This decision I would bet was fueled by the Minister's inner beaurocratic circle who often make decisions for our politicians. It lacks common sense, good science, other government input and is downright stupid. They are also over influenced by certain stake holders that complain a lot. I will predict that in those areas we will see a dramatic increase in animal/people contact and animal/livestock issues. This will go the same way that human/bear encounters increased after the govt's decision to cancel the spring season.
What a knee-jerk decision!
Currently in Newfoundland there is a law suit against the Province for introducing moose which have resulted in many highway accidents and some fatalities. I can only assume a similar course of action once we have a wolf/coyote related death in one of these areas.
Common Sense not being very common!
The new Minister is a nurse from Toronna. What is surprising about this decision ??!!! It's only the beginning !
Well it's going to mean no predator management by the trapper on the line which will most certainly mean lower numbers of other furbearer's available to harvest , which in turn will lead to among other things less money for the provinces fish and wildlife program due to less money from royalties from trappers going to the SPA account which in this day and age is providing the bulk of the funding to the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbhunter
Kathryn McGarryQuote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry
MPP Cambridge
[COLOR=#464646][COLOR=#2C2C2C]Political Career
- Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Transportation, June 2014 – June 2016
[COLOR=#464646][COLOR=#2C2C2C]Personal and Family Life
- Married with four children
[COLOR=#464646][COLOR=#2C2C2C]Memberships and Associations
- Heritage Master Plan Steering Committee
- Founding Member, Hospice of Waterloo Region
- Waterloo Region Crime Prevention Council
- Community Leaders Task Force on Municipal Restructuring
- Past President, Heritage Cambridge
[COLOR=#464646][COLOR=#2C2C2C]Honours and Awards
- Bernice Adams Memorial Award for community service
- YWCA Woman of Distinction Award
[COLOR=#464646][COLOR=#2C2C2C]Executive Biography
[COLOR=#464646]Kathryn McGarry was first elected to the Ontario legislature in 2014 as the MPP for Cambridge.
[COLOR=#464646]She currently serves as Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry. McGarry was previously Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Transportation.
[COLOR=#464646]She has been a care coordinator in the community and a nurse for 30 years. McGarry is very active in her community, particularly as an advocate for health care and cultural heritage. She is a founding member of the Hospice of Waterloo Region, and a past president of Heritage Cambridge.
[COLOR=#464646]She received the YWCA Woman of Distinction Award in 2009, and a Bernice Adams Memorial Award in 2011 for her community service.
[QUOTE/] McGarry is very active in her community, particularly as an advocate for health care and cultural heritage.[/QUOTE]
Cultural heritage eh? I take it there is a finite list of cultural heritages that she pays attention to in Cambridge that don't include hunting or trapping.
Yup.....those are some fine credentials.....she likely thinks Barrie is northern Ontario !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I might be mistaken but she never won in an election. Lost 3 times I think and was appointed.
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Another at the Public Service trough moved up to yet another public service trough. Same slop/different farm.
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Originally Posted by Fox
Oh? Pray tell us what else you know oh learned one.
I found some more numbers. Mind you this is Ontario wide. Ontario Wildlife Damage Compensation Program payed out $1.6 million to farmers and they say 75% was coyote.
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Gerald - guess how many we are going to let walk by this year?
Fox - I grew up in one of those regions. Protection of our livestock was taken very seriously and quite frankly many local hunters through their vigilance kept the wolves at bay so to speak. I have seen my fair share of animals torn to shreds including cows and have seen the devastating financial consequences to the farmer - any loss to us was tough as we were not well off.
Personally by the time I was 10 it was part of my job around the farm. My mom and eight brothers and sisters wood take care of anything as well without a moments thought. Just how it went but honestly if it weren't for the hunters around taking care of predators we would have lost a lot more than we did. Course that was a different time and neighbors gave a crap about each other....
The gov should now be fully responsible for every animal lost. What a bunch of idiots.
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Originally Posted by Big Jack
X2,BigJack. I was only 8 when a Coyote attacked a prize heifer in the barn yard. Everyone else was out in the back 40 with the hay wagon and I was all alone at the barn doing chores. I knew where Grandpa's 12ga and shells was stored in the driving shed right below me,so,I got it and took care of the Coyote. After I shot,two more came out,so,I whacked them,too. Mom and Grandma were flipping out,but,Grandpa,Dad and my uncles were stunned and elated. The sun rose and set on this kid for a few days after that. I've been a dedicated predator hunter ever since.
If I ever see my son take same action I'll be one happy dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Well done Grasshopper !Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Good man! You saved your family some serious coin that day.
which wmu does this affect
There's detailed maps attached for download at www.ofah.orgQuote:
Originally Posted by rem1100
thanks trimmer21. For everyone who is interested in knowing wmu 42 53a 56 57 60 and 75