Attachment 33438
Not sure if anyone has posted anything about this yet.
What is your opinion?
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Attachment 33438
Not sure if anyone has posted anything about this yet.
What is your opinion?
Will i still have to do a turkey course i havent done mine... or will it be included in my license now?
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Here's the link to the MNR's EBR for the proposed changes;
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The following regulatory changes are being proposed for implementation in 2017:
1) Remove the requirement for a separate wild turkey education course (course content will be incorporated into the broader Ontario Hunter Education Program). Existing accredited hunters who have not yet completed wild turkey hunter education training would be allowed to hunt wild turkeys without any further training. Note: the ministry is exploring options to share and distribute turkey hunting information to existing accredited hunters (e.g. making information available online).
2) Introduce a spring wild turkey hunting season in WMU 36 and introduce a fall wild turkey hunting season in Wildlife Management Unit 94. These two WMUs meet criteria outlined in the Wild Turkey Management Plan (2007) for opening of new seasons.
3) Introduce a fall bows-only season from October 1-31 in all WMUs that have a fall wild turkey hunting season. The regular firearm wild turkey hunting season would remain the same, opening the Tuesday after Thanksgiving and running until the second following Sunday.
4) Standardize the opening of the spring wild turkey hunting season to be April 25th of each year, even when the 25th falls on a weekend.
5) Allow shot size number 7 to be used for wild turkey hunting in addition to shot size numbers 4, 5 and 6.
6) Clarify through regulation minimum bow requirements for hunting wild turkey (e.g. minimum draw weight and length) according to the current guidelines found in the Hunting Regulation Summary for wild turkey hunting with a bow.
https://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...Yx&language=en
First thoughts are no real issues although #7 seem awful small for turkey. Would the idea be it is part of a combo load? And Saturday trout opener might mean a busy morning in the woods/waters.
I think it's becasue of the proliferation of the Turkey Ammo in the states that use #7 in the Tri-mix (#5-#6-#7)
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/76...toxic-box-of-5
Bow season in the fall is dumb. Turkeys flock up and end up at bait sites and will get killed. Opening up a can of worms for guys baiting deer.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbonura
I agree that turkey hunting should be included in the license without an extra course. It was simply a money grab IMO, however most of us down South were raised up turkey hunting and it's always been that way for us so it seemed ridiculous to me to have to take a course.
Never seen an issue with conflict when turkey hunting in the fall in States, those that allowed it anyway, so I'm not expecting anything different here plus a wild turkey for Thanksgiving is nice.
I don't hunt turkey with #7 but it shouldn't be an issue in the context of a spring hunt. Can't see it's effectiveness in the fall context as most of our harvests stateside were incidental and not necessarily close up like a called in spring gobbler.
You cannot legally hunt a turkey over bait so if you are baiting deer then don't shoot a turkey or you are a poacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbonura
How is this opening a can of worms?
You can legally hunt turkey with a bow from Oct 11th to Oct 23rd right now if there is a fall season, you can use a shotgun or a bow, how is it any different?
I guess you are just against fall turkey hunting.
If someone wants to poach a turkey they will, I have seen many flocks in the spring and they would come to bait then too, in no way does baiting deer and shooting a turkey with a bow have any sort of connection unless you are a poacher.
To the OP, I always thought it was dumb that you could not hunt turkey before Thanksgiving, I think this is great.
I think what we need to do is allow Spring licenses to be used in the fall but then they will get less taxes so I doubt I will see that happen.
I personally would love to see a single tag being good for spring and or fall season!
I see no issue with any of the changes, I'm all for it.
It'll be nice to bring home some meat while deer hunting...
I think they'll sell a lot more fall tags, atleast double their sales.
Agree with all the changes, but think it would be better if we had a bow only season in the spring as opposed to the fall.
I do not hunt turkey in the fall. Opening up a turkey season all during deer season will create more turkeys going to bait. The turkey harvest numbers have been dropping like a rock. So to introduce more hens being shot is just dumb. This is just a money grab because turkey tags should be reduced not increased and if you think turkeys are not shot at baits you are naive. I do not turkey hunt in the fall or poach turkeys but baiting happens and turkeys hit the feeders hard in the fall. Keep the conversation at facts. I think the seasons should not be increased. Where are the harvest numbers that support this?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
The regs list the reported harvest numbers every year...last year the fall hunt took a grand total of 262 Turkeys from across the whole province...58% of those were hens. In other words of the estimated 70,000 birds in Ontario 151 hens were harvested.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbonura
Shooting hens is a none issue and has no effect on the overall population.
I like the idea of the new rules other than I question the idea of allowing shot size 7 just seems to small. I always felt that even 6 is to small. Shouldn't really be say 2 - 5 shot size?
How have been the spring numbers year over year???? Spring harvest http://www.oodmag.com/community/show...tatistics-2013 the last three years??? Up or down. The trend is down not up from maybe 7 years ago. 2015 7506 and 2014 isQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Continued egg and poult predation will almost always be the #1 cause of turkey numbers falling significantly, short of a virus.
You have to remember that we're talking about "reported" harvest numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbonura
What other data is there? The only data you have is reported harvest numbers to compare year over year. I report every harvest and assume most do.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
I report every turkey as well, but I know of plenty who don't bother anymore. To me the data suggests that reporting has declined over the years more so than the turkey population.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbonura
i like it. fall turkey never appealed to me because of deer, but good to have both on hand.
I switched to #6 shot many years ago, and found that I have a higher success rate and far more clean kills with it (Winchester X-tended, and now LongBeard loads)Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
As mentioned previously, I think the #7 addition is for the U.S. trimix shot loads to be legal here.
Great idea frankly..about time. I can tell some pretty bad spring gun hunter stories...shooting off the roosts before legal time. Running birds..and I mean running at birds in another guys setup....criminals are criminals...idiots abound.. ie shooting birds over bait..
I would submit that #7 hevi shot would be more effective than #6 lead.
Are the turkey numbers dropping like a rock or are they just getting smarter? I saw at least 40 last night, we don't even have a great turkey population here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbonura
#6 kills them no problem, gives me a great pattern in my 16ga.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
#2 leads to a significantly reduced pellet number, I think that has a lot to do with it. If you have 150 #2 pellets in a 2 3/4" load vs 240 in a #4 load you have a better chance of killing with the #4 load. Your spread of #2 in that turkey choke I bet is worse than #4 at 40 yards too, larger shot in the super tight chokes tends to open up a lot more.
I risk to say that population density in areas where people hunt turkeys could have an impact too, #2 shot holds energy further than #4 shot, at least they are not considering center fire rifles for turkey.
I like all proposed changes. The bait issue is a straw man, if you shoot a bird while baiting deer you're a poacher. An honest hunter wouldn't be enticed to kill a turkey over bait PERIOD. I only hunted the first fall season (successfully) then gave it up as it was too short a time for me to get out enough to make it worthwhile as there were too many other things to hunt (deer, moose, small game). Having a month to hunt with my bow would be great. More time with my dad or daughter sitting in the blind....
I think the inclusion of #7 shot is geared more for the heavier than lead loads that are out there. I use #6's and they are deadly out past 50 yds in my setup, they are high density shot though. If I was shooting lead I think I would stick to #5's. I would like to see the stipulation that if using #7's they must be higher density than lead, if not lets hope guys will have the restraint to stay away from using lead #7's but we all know how that will turn out. Of coarse lead #7's will kill a bird in it's effective range but I believe most guys would try to push that range. I have no issues with bow hunting for turkeys but I would like to see the mandatory use of the guillotine broad heads spring and fall...............the amount of wounded birds I hear about every spring is enough to make a guy sick! With guillotine heads they are rather dead or a clean miss and live to see another day. Again I say this with caution as I think we are already over regulated when it comes to hunting. Yes there are lots of gun wounded birds as well but it comes down to guys trying to push the range of there setups. I kind of go back and forth on the turkey coarse, sure it's a $$$ grab but then everyone will be out hunting them with even less education, I already see, hear and read about WAY too much dumb crap going on out there.
I really like the Oct 01 to 31st bows only season. I wish I had a dime for every time a flock walked past my tree stand while deer hunting. And here in 92B I have only one deer seal & save it for the controlled hunt. So this will give me an opportunity to bow hunt instead of painting the house... ;)
BTW my fixed 1.25" cut broad-head for deer will most definitely put a turkey down provided my shot placement is good... :)
Bingo...... you can't legislate common sense. There are guys that will shoot a shotgun 70 yards at a moving turkey...... if you're a responsible hunter there's no need to use guillotine broadheads unless you prefer to shoot them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
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Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
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Originally Posted by Gregoire1960
Yes there is no doubt they are very lethal on a turkey but you said it and they are the key words "provided my shot placement is good". They have a small vital area and a big body (full strut exaggerates this even more), margin for error is greater on a turkey. I would never lobby for this to go through as a rule, like I said I think we are already managed enough, just my personal thoughts. Be nice if guys just went for the clean kill or clear miss, that's all.
I had to give up using a bow many years ago due to tendonitis, and have used crossbow since then. I'd worry about the performance of guillotine blades in my crossbow - does anyone here use them in crossbows?
You have to run your bolt long if using the larger guillotine blades, the foot loop gets in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by genec
I don't know why they are needed, you can get a stopper that goes on the shaft and minimizes the bolt pass through ability, if it stays in the bird that should be better.
Except when it's not a kill shot and the bird flies away with $40 worth of arrow and broadhead stuck in it's side..been there..LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
That's where a bowfishing rig would be great:silly::silly::silly:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal