24 birds in 30 minutes

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October 1st, 2016, 10:56 PM
Snowwalker

24 birds in 30 minutes

Well the waterfowl hunt was a bust( don't even know why I try some times..:ashamed:), but enjoyed getting out. Had a nice lunch and then knocked on a couple doors after finding my one pigeon spot swarming with people ( Family members of owners) cleaning junk out of the barns, Talked to a couple places, and got permission on two of the three places. The last place the owner was very interested in having birds removed, and was also interested in watching it done. Got to say We did not mind the audience, and we put on a real good show. First we shot holes in a carbonated water bottle at 50 yards to great effect to show the power of the Air Rifles over the oldest son's BB gun. Nothing like seeing a bottle of liquid go from a nice clear quiet state, to foam and spray shooting three feet out of two holes in the middle. Then it was on to the barn, 30 minutes later we loaded 24 birds in the truck and were on the road..

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October 1st, 2016, 11:27 PM
fratri

That's a big haul
congrats
October 2nd, 2016, 04:15 AM
rossh

Good stuff man . Glad to see your still getting it done .
October 2nd, 2016, 07:52 AM
tom gobble

congrats on some full bags
October 2nd, 2016, 10:26 AM
Mount Sweetness

Looks like fun and some good soup!
October 2nd, 2016, 11:40 AM
Targetor

Good job on the pigeons! What airgun / caliber were you using? Dan
October 2nd, 2016, 12:37 PM
DanO

Cleaner barns in the future that's for sure. How do they taste and how do you cook them?
October 2nd, 2016, 04:34 PM
Snowwalker

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Originally Posted by Targetor

Good job on the pigeons! What airgun / caliber were you using? Dan

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Originally Posted by DanO

Cleaner barns in the future that's for sure. How do they taste and how do you cook them?

First off, they will repopulate the barn faster then We can remove them....but that is not a problem for me.. The problem I have is can I shoot them faster then we eat them. So as for eating and taste... They are more like beef, with a deep red meat and are very very lean so they can be easy to dry out and make tough. Most beef recipes that are slow cooked with lots of moisture like a stew or pot pies. You can also grind them and make Sausages like you would with ducks or geese.

So now for the Technical question.

We are using Gamo Big Cat 1250's in .177(4.5mm), shooting 10.5 grain Pellets at 1100( +/- 20Fps)Fps for a Muzzle Energy of about 27 to 29 Ft/Lbs. At 50 yards with a Velocity of 1000( +/- 20fps)Fps we are left with 22 to 24 Ft/Lbs.
That gives the Pellet enough power to penetrate 6.32 Inches(160.582mm) of flesh. Your skull by the way is only 6.5mm(male) to 7.1mm(female) thick. :scream:

(Soap box ON) These are not toys(soap box OFF). :shades:

A NON-head shot( heart/lung) on a rabbit is generally said to need 4 to 6Ft/lbs for a kill, so you can see with an air rifle being so quiet they are a backyard gardeners favourite problem solver.

If you want to look in to the numbers and play with the Ballistics here is a link to a collection of Calculators for Air gunners.

Oh and the ballistic Coefficient of my pellet is " 0.065575". You will need that for one of the Calculators.
http://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-res...php?Units&u=14
October 2nd, 2016, 05:52 PM
jaycee

Go to "google" pigeon cooking recipes, and enjoy , many tasty ways to cook them along with doves.
October 2nd, 2016, 07:19 PM
Targetor

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Velocity specs look high to me

SnowW…
Thanks for sharing the technical information. If I may, (and not to take away from your fine shooting or the accuracy of your gun) your velocity specs look a little on the high side to me. I am an avid air gunner and have a chronograph and softwarethat I used to test various pellets in all of my air guns. I hunt pigeons too and I find that this software helps in achieving longer distance shots confirms actual energy and drop over distances.

The best software calculator I have found for air gun pellets is called Chairgun by the makers of Hawke scopes and can be downloaded for free by goingto this site: http://www.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun.html
You simply select the “projectile” pellet caliber .177, .22or .25 and pellet brand/ weight from the drop down menu and input the velocity (this is where the chrony comes in) and then view the results. The ballistic coefficient of the pellets listed is also shown. I think you might find it useful for confirming pellet performance and aiming points at mid to longer ranges(not that you need any help, judging from your bounty).

A 10.5 gr. Crosman Premium Heavy at 1,000 FPS will give 23.31ft./lbs. at the muzzle and 12.79 ft./lbs. at 50 yards. Having said that, unless you can run your gun and pellet combination through a chronograph you can only guess at the velocity. Do not go by the manufacturer’s claims as they are always overstated.Here are the specs for the 10.5 gr Crosman pellet at 1,000 FPS and at 900FPS. POI is where you should aim relative to the distance shown, assuming a kill zone of 1 inch (0.5 inch above and 0.5 below the line of sight). Hope you find this informative and useful. PM me if you’d like more information or help with the Chairgun software. Regards ...... Dan
October 2nd, 2016, 08:58 PM
punkrockerpj

mix peanut oil, soy sauce and brown sugar. let soak for 24 hours and bbq on low. :)
October 2nd, 2016, 09:51 PM
Snowwalker

Thanks for the info.. I used a chronograph that one of the club members( Crumblin ) had at the range one day. He was interested in the air rifle when he watched me shooting targets at the 50 yard berm. We ran the pellet thru the Chrono and those where the numbers we came up with for velocity.
When I use the velocities in the Calculators in the link I gave you, the Ft/lbs numbers is what it is telling me.

On the practical level I never had a reason to disbelieve them. Everything from fox/grey Squirrels to the Skunk( head shot) that was terrorizing the farmers dogs has fall to the air rifle. There is a real difference between the 7.6 and the 10.5 grain Crosman domed pellets I have been use when it comes to how they fit in the chamber. The 7.6 just drop in but the 10.5 have to pushed into the chamber and care taken to seat them all the way into the chamber. Gamo lists the Crosman( considering they make/market their own brand) 10.5 grain as the most accurate, and best choice for hunting in the Big Cat 1250. One reason that the Gamo site gave was that along with the higher weight giving the pellet better stability in flight, the tighter fit and more bearing surface causes a high pressure between the piston and the pellet. They suggested that the higher pressure needed to move the pellet resulted in the increase in velocity despite the high weight.

Even with the Numbers form the chart you gave me the 1000Fps ft/lbs is the same. I have not downloaded the software yet but can you change the Velocity at 0 yards to 1100( +/-20) and post it for me.

I also see that you have a different BC then Crosman gave. I would give you the link, but it seems to be broken. Just like every useful site some IT guy has to muck it up...." Hey this page has not been updated in two years. I can delete it and save a couple kilo-bytes on the server."
October 2nd, 2016, 10:15 PM
Foxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

First off, they will repopulate the barn faster then We can remove them....but that is not a problem for me.. The problem I have is can I shoot them faster then we eat them. So as for eating and taste... They are more like beef, with a deep red meat and are very very lean so they can be easy to dry out and make tough. Most beef recipes that are slow cooked with lots of moisture like a stew or pot pies. You can also grind them and make Sausages like you would with ducks or geese.

So now for the Technical question.

We are using Gamo Big Cat 1250's in .177(4.5mm), shooting 10.5 grain Pellets at 1100( +/- 20Fps)Fps for a Muzzle Energy of about 27 to 29 Ft/Lbs. At 50 yards with a Velocity of 1000( +/- 20fps)Fps we are left with 22 to 24 Ft/Lbs.
That gives the Pellet enough power to penetrate 6.32 Inches(160.582mm) of flesh. Your skull by the way is only 6.5mm(male) to 7.1mm(female) thick. :scream:

(Soap box ON) These are not toys(soap box OFF). :shades:

A NON-head shot( heart/lung) on a rabbit is generally said to need 4 to 6Ft/lbs for a kill, so you can see with an air rifle being so quiet they are a backyard gardeners favourite problem solver.

If you want to look in to the numbers and play with the Ballistics here is a link to a collection of Calculators for Air gunners.

Oh and the ballistic Coefficient of my pellet is " 0.065575". You will need that for one of the Calculators.
http://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-res...php?Units&u=14

Are these weapons available in Ontario or did you buy it in the States?
October 3rd, 2016, 06:12 AM
Snowwalker

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Originally Posted by Foxx

Are these weapons available in Ontario or did you buy it in the States?

yes their can be bought at just about any firearms dealer. If you wanted the Gamo Big Cat for example you can order them on-line from Cabelas. If you do order from Cabelas, you need to be sure it is the 1250Fps model( you select from a drop down menu) for .177 Calibre or 950Fps for .22 Calibre. It goes without saying that you will need your PAL/RPAL to buy these and use them. There is also a Big Cat 1400, but I have not had any experience with it.
October 3rd, 2016, 06:48 AM
Foxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

yes their can be bought at just about any firearms dealer. If you wanted the Gamo Big Cat for example you can order them on-line from Cabelas. If you do order from Cabelas, you need to be sure it is the 1250Fps model( you select from a drop down menu) for .177 Calibre or 950Fps for .22 Calibre. It goes without saying that you will need your PAL/RPAL to buy these and use them. There is also a Big Cat 1400, but I have not had any experience with it.

Thanks for reply.
October 4th, 2016, 06:46 PM
Gunner 38

Many people seem to be dazzled by the "paper-ballistics" of magnum-air-rifles . So was I years ago . During the 60s I imported extra powerful air-guns (Diana , Burgsmueller and Anschuetz) because they weren't available here . --- After the initial excitement had worn off I found them to be awkward to handle (size-wise) and loud . I traded them off for more than they had cost me . --- For the last few decades I've been using a #397 Crosman (Benjamin) with satisfactory results . Now-a-days I limit my shots to 35-40 yards (I've killed a longer range) . Shooting at head or neck will flatten even coon-sized-critters . However , air-guns are at their best on smaller game . --- Forget the "Lewis&Clark-stories" . --- The #397 will spit an 8-8.5gr. pellet at ~800 ft/sec (~12lbs/ft) according to my chrono. ---This little gun is generally under-rated ; it's not a toy AND very reliable . --- Here is mine : --- *** ---
October 8th, 2016, 12:27 PM
Targetor

Hi Snow... in answer to your question "Even with the Numbers from the chart you gave me the 1000Fps ft/lbs is the same. I have not downloaded the software yet but can you change the Velocity at 0 yards to 1100( +/-20) and post it for me."

A 10.5 gr. Crosman Premier pellet moving at 1100 FPS will generate 28.20 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. At 50 yards, the velocity drops to 778 FPS and 14.1 ft/lbs of ME. Hope this helps.
October 11th, 2016, 01:15 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Targetor

Hi Snow... in answer to your question "Even with the Numbers from the chart you gave me the 1000Fps ft/lbs is the same. I have not downloaded the software yet but can you change the Velocity at 0 yards to 1100( +/-20) and post it for me."

A 10.5 gr. Crosman Premier pellet moving at 1100 FPS will generate 28.20 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. At 50 yards, the velocity drops to 778 FPS and 14.1 ft/lbs of ME. Hope this helps.

Thanks... I ran the numbers through my calculator with the BC (0.026) from your chart, and while the FPS at 50 yards does drop to 820Fps and 15.68Ft/lbs, I am going to have to say she's still going to do the job.:thumbup:

Also in spirit of one door closes another opens, I may be lucky enough to start posting about my Air Rifle hunts across Canada and the States. It will probably be a few months till I get it all set up but you never know....Youtube star to be...:cool:
October 11th, 2016, 02:07 PM
Targetor

Hi Snow,

Oh yes, 15 ft./ lbs. is plenty to knock down pigeons. I would like to see your YouTube posts of AG hunts. That's how I got into this. And while I'm not a YouTube poster, here is a clip of where I shoot pigeons and collared doves in Arizona (retired and that`s where we winter). I use a Brocock Concept PCP (pre-charged pneumatic in 22 cal.) I average between 40 to 50 birds per visit (it is a target rich environment) Here`s the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6UX0u3bStE I show up at about 4:30 minutes of the video for a short stint. I hope you lie the link. There is a world of hunting opportunities with air guns. Cheers........... dan