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I'm trying to decide whether I should secure my bear box with lag bolts and then lock it or a python cable? Not sure as to which approach is more secure. How tough is it to cut the little lock used with the box once you lag bolt it? Do python cables freeze up, making the opening of the bear box difficult?
All you need to do is use locks that prevent cutting with/by bolt cutters..like this one..There are ones even tighter in the throat so it's impossible to get bolt jaws around the lock shank.
The size of the bolt cutters needed to cut this shank would make them to big to work.
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Dont ask me how i know.. but I have yet to find a padlock that a good pipe wrench cant openQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Suspect it would take an awful lot of time and effort if its possible to break these style of locks. Have a few with the narrow throats and they are robust. If someone wants something bad enough, theres no stopping them short of putting bars on our windows, steel doors around the house, sinking steel fence post ( tree that thiick would take but moments with a small chain saw).......
Shame though theres almost as much $ (game cam dependant) used to secure something, than the something is worth.
2 X Python
1 Gear box
1 robust lock
what a world we live in that people have to spend north of $100, to secure soemthing worth just north of $100.
Like everyone I used to worry about it a fair bit, then realized "its not worth the worry" or aggravation. My Browning while expensive that first year, is now some years old. Ive gotten my money worth. Im very careful about where, and take some basic precautions (mainly thinking kids with no tools)....
jben . You're right about the additional cost but the first time you don't make it difficult in my area it'll walk for sure. I don't roll well with somebody stealing my stuff I found out. I thought I could blow it off but it didn't happen. I'm still pissed a year later.
So I either don't put cameras out or I secure them as well as I can.
More a commentary on society and the lack of respect for other peoples property these days.That decent folk are having to spend $100 to protect $100 worth of stuff....
I like the Browning Elites, for me they've been fairly reliable, false triggers aren't "too bad" (normally wind driven) and the battery life is superb. But jeez, for what they do really.....By that I mean...I already know there are deer there and I can normally tell when they are active and not....thats a lot of $
Used to use Python cable and heavier locks so no-one would steel the card or batteries if not the unit itself. Used to "bury" them, hide them amongst dead fall.....everyone walks trails, human or game...the path of least resistance....Not many go into deadfalls where twisted ankles...
Then one day just kind asked myself..Here I am jumping through hoops and I know if it is stolen my blood pressure will go up.
Isn't this supposed be a way for me to bleed stress, decompress and have fun
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These days if I can't hide it in a dead fall, I will use the python but thats it. If I lose it, not going to allow myself to worry about it.
The type of person who would steal another person's camera would have no issues cutting a tree down to do it.
Or bringing a battery angle grinder.Quote:
Originally Posted by kickingfrog
too bad people have no respect. My buddy put a trail cam up around sauble beach and 2 hunters walked by it and waved. Didnt steal it which was nice.
If I hunted public land I would prob opt out of a trail cam for the above reasons. Its just not worth the hassle and risk. Hunt good sign areas and a camera isn't needed. In the absence of a camera its likely more deer will show up anyways.
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But then you'll never know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
yea I know what you mean. Its comforting/reassuring to see the pics. I only hunt private land so when I see the pics its hard to sit and not see anything move sometimes because evidence says they are there so its nice reassurance to keep a keen eye. Then again knowing the deer ARE there my mind plays tricks and every bush or weed looks like a deer after sun down.
Funny story, last time I was walking to the stand I stopped and looked into the ditch. My brain saw a deer bedded down and I was staring it straight in the eye. I saw the whole head and everything. I then pulled my xbow off my back and went to aim only to realize that bedded dear magically turned into a stick and patch of mud. Crazy how the mind plays tricks on you. I can still see the deer bedded down in my mind even tho it was never there.
i started using a trailcam two years ago. i just stick to the cheaper cameras, i dont need all the bells and whistles and if it goes missing im not out a ton of cash. i still saw deer and turkeys and coyotes and racoons etc, even with a cheapy.
i just put a cable lock around it and hope for the best and havent had an issue yet. i had it on public land for months with no issue, but the key is i was not where people typically walk, which is typically where you want to hunt anyways. by the time you put all that security on it, it takes you 30 mins to crack it open and get your pics out (unless its BT or cellular), and than how much scent have you left in the area by than? my attitude might change after one goes missing but until than i will stick with my tactics.
just my thoughts.
Anyone use something other than the Python locks? A similar cable lock that might be better or more secure?
I mainly use it for security, I can see theifs cutting the Python locks. I also learned my lesson one day on Bears....
Despite bolting the box to a tree a bear still ripped it down and repeatedly smashed the camera on the ground, in the bear box. I guess it was his idea of fun..... the Python lock helps this.
If you leave stuff out unattended,expect it to disappear. It doesn't matter what it is.....decoys,tree stands,cameras....it's just life,always has been,always will be.
I had a problem with someone stealing tree stands and game cameras located in my very own property. I used a two prong approach, deterrence and tracking.
First I took one of my old ammo cans, cut opening for the camera to operate, then I used a whole saw and drilled two wholes large enough too thread chain through, using a shielded lock to secure it to the mounting location.
Secondly, I put a small solar cell on the lid of the ammo can that would charge a small cell phone battery pack, which was hooked directly to a pet collar gps tracker.
This set up worked great when I found that my neighbours kid had gone into my bush and taken the chainsaw to cut the cedar tree down that the camera had been mounted to, I simply went to his door rang the door bell, asked for my camera to be returned, he denied that he had it, at which point I simply sent the alert text, which returned me the gps co ordinates, the I simply activated the audible alarm lol.
Needless to say I retrieve two treestands and an additional camera that had been borrowed lol.
The whole set up cost less the 75.00 bucks if u have the ammo can, 100.00 if u don't.
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Even this ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Is no match for this:
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Equipped with a cutoff wheel, both cables and the pad lock can be cut in about 60 seconds.
Trimmer said it best:
However the cables/lock will likely prevent those crimes of opportunity. The GPS pet collar sounds like a good idea but I suspect anyone with a bit of intelligence would notice them and leave the GPS/Phone behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Buy cameras with security codes,then write code protected. They steal the camera,they get nothing. I haven't lost a camera since I started doing this. Bolt cutters will cut python locks and one bear pulled a lock off,but dropped it at the oil pit.
I think in most cases it's not theft for use, but taken to protect their identity after being caught trespassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenhorn
I always put a sign on the camera asking if they found the other four that are on the path and I haven't lost one yet. No locks or cables.
I doubt it's that simple. Why would someone commit a criminal offense (theft,with all the ramifications they carry besides a fine) to avoid a simple trespass charge($75) which isn't a criminal offense? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Concealing their identity,on the other hand,may be more like it for any number of reasons.....like maybe,they're with someone they shouldn't be.;):oQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
It'd take an hour to get into the security box to check the pics. Not terribly useful for current scouting pics. I guess it's a necessary evil though if you want to hang onto the camera.
I have pics and a vehicle plate number for the thief. I DON'T have a pic of him stealing the camera which is what the LEO says I need to lay charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by hamilton0729
Oh maybe the LEO needs to do his job and go and speak with the suspect.First thing they will get is a denial that the suspect was any where near the location and does not know what this is all about.When confronted with the evidence of the vehicle being in that locationQuote:
Originally Posted by DanO
they probably get some sort of alibi, I lent it to a friend... as the bs piles up the suspect realizes they are out of their depth,have now involved others and decides to tell the truth.Unfortunately you need to find a officer that actually wants to do their job properly these days.
Attachment 34013This guy cracked my motion sensor cover and found the camera on the ground (my friend didn't secure the python lock properly one day), bought a bushnell one on sale but need to get a bear box for it.