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Pulled my SD card and found an interesting picture of something in the feline family. I am thinking Canadian Lynx or Bobcat but not sure they have long tails. What do you guys think? Unfortunately its night pictures and not too clear.
Also included a picture of deer and raccoon's from the same camera to help judge size of animal.
Location: Dundalk Ontario
Interesting photos; definitely lots of life in that area! I'm not so sure the pics are anything feline (although I can see why someone would think so with the pointy ears and what looks like a shorter muzzle in the one photo) due to the tail being as long as it is. I'm betting its a "camera trick" that has made the common coyote tougher to recognize. I've had quite a few photos of the coys on my property where their shape gets distorted (especially at night). Were you able to check the area for tracks at all?
Hardwood forest, lots of leaves, difficult to see tracks
Cougar.
Coyote
Fair enough. I guess wait and see if you get any more/better pics or other signs of anything "abnormal" in the area. How far is this area from any homes? meaning what are the chances its someone's pet out for a walk?
I'd love to say cougar, but in all probability it looks like it's probably a yote.
Looks like a Coyote to me.
My first thought was domestic dog but could be a yote
Do you have a dog you could put in the same spot? Something thats 40-60 pounds?
The pointed ears, short snout and bushy tail say feline. And I immediately did think Cougar and might still want to lean in that direction but its way too small I think. An adult cougar while not tall is every long. When comparing it to the raccoons that are almost in the same spot, and then the Doe which is a little further away ( and thus a wide angle lens would make it seem smaller than it is).
I'd say its a little larger than the racoon, at most 2xlarger but that might be pushing it, but much smaller than the Doe. All but eliminated Cougar. And if it wasn't for the short snout I might think Fox. As for Coyote I think the short snout and tail eliminate that (Tail seems too much like a cats)
I hunt the same area. Its a cougar no doubt. Too lazy to type it all out but check my older reply on another post same subject about cougars.
Coyote.
That hardly qualifies the argument since many of us do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Stevie
The other option is that it's a coy-dog, which could explain the overly pointed ears ( bred with Shepard perhaps), and the longer more filled in tail.
Not saying it's not a cougar, but without a better pic, it's hard to tell.
Thanks for all the input, the farm has no pets nor does any of the adjacent farms. There are definitely coyotes and coy-dogs in the area but one thing i didn't want to mention until I got some responses was that a few years back I did get a picture of a cougar 1 concessions north of this farm which is nothing for a cougar if that's what it is. I have left the camera at this location and hope to get a better picture but i doubt it.
tail is to long for coyote, cougar is my guess
I took a liberty, hope the OP doesn't mind.
If its a cougar its the smallest cougar in NA.
As mentioned previously while it looks like one, if you take the time to line of those things in images individually for frame of reference with respect to size. So for example
The apple pile to the raccoons.
the apple pile to the "cougar" you see its barely taller than the apple pile and not much larger than the Racoons
The cougar to the bush
The Doe to the bush
And then look at the 3 images and cross reference its size.
However, I decided to take the 3 images, blend them and....Perhaps most telling is its tail isn't much larger than the racoon tail, maybe twice as large..A cougars tail would be 4,5 times larger than a racoons tail.
http://jbenphotography.ca/img/s7/v155/p387625108-5.jpg
That's awesome JBen! Now do one with Donald Trump in it.
lmao :)
Not saying its not. Its possible its a juvenile, but given at best there are a scant few in Ontario (maybe a dozen or two) what are the odds theres a breeding pair and this is offspring? Its still hard to say but Im thinking something around or a little larger than a fox.
Edit.
Actually appears to be a small buck
Because of the proximity to the apples the raccoons seem to look a little larger than the cougar because the cat is further away from the pile. And by the way, nicely done JBen, I say cougar...
argument? Ole uncle stevie just thought he would let the OP know that he hunted in the area. It's comforting knowing others hunt in the area, thanks for the heads up. See you boys n' gals out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Mall good brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Stevie
Thanks BoD.
Normally it's really hard to gauge the size of something without a good reference beside it. Wide angle lenses are very deceiving. On the extreme side of things fish shot in grip and grins appear much larger than they are, and the further away from the lens, the smaller they make things appear. In reality its not that the fish is made to look larger, everything behind the fish (the angler) is smaller so the scale deceives our eyes. Extreme example is a vista of mountains. If you take such a picture then look at the image on your display the mountains appear smaller/farther away than they are.
Because the camera is fixed, the variable, or unknown is: How far is the subject (unknown animal) from the lens, the further it is, the smaller it will be. That said if you draw a straight and level line from the top of the apples across to it.
I took the other photo and enhanced it as much as I dared. I don't think it is very large. Mature Cougars can get up 8-9 feet in length. Most are around 5. For height somewhere around 2-3 feet.
Against the buck it simply looks too small for a Cougar and against the Coons in front of it, twice as large so.
Heres the other image.
I think we can rule out dog unless its some kind of Pug or other snub nosed dog with a long dark tail. That said, the face almost looks bear like ( you have to blown it up as I can here at home) and the ears don't seem quite right for a Cougar either (too tall and pointed).
http://jbenphotography.ca/img/s12/v172/p546730381-5.jpg.
Honestly if there was any kind of snout evident Id say large fox (very large)
. But who knows the pic quality is what it is maybe its a juvenile, or possible some farm cat on steroids or Macoun (they can be 40 pounds) :)
Dirty ol feral cat, no?
It is a yote. Good pics.
Coyote.Attachment 33925
Picture of Bobcat at our bait barrel back in 2014. We never see them in our area. My friends in Pennsylvania US. See them all the time run them with hounds etc.
Canine of some sort
Coyote
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Even a juvenile cougar would be well above Trump's knees at this time of year.
..........but if Trump had his way the cougar would be on its knees.....
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I'm sure he knows the best cougars, the best.
What is it ? coyote !
why - pointed ears, cougars have slightly rounded ears!
why- look at the tail , not long enough , and as for not being bushy as per normal coyote, it could be due to mange.
def a coyote...........last pic is a deer lol
......don't forget leopard print yoga pants....
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Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha
Ok so some of you are blind or popping some hard pills or both.. Are we talking about pic #1 and #2? That is 100% coyote and it couldnt be clearer... geez I'd hate to be walking in the bush if some of you were loaded.. u might mistaken me for a moose! :)
Maine Coon Cat - largest domestic cat in the world. Males can be 20lbs+. Nice pointy ears. Saw one once at a friends place outside Newmarket and thought what the hell kind of cat is that?
http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp...ts-24__605.jpg
Thanks Species, thats the cat species I was thinking of.
"Macon"...Lol!
Personally think it is.The lack of a snout all but eliminates all canids, and no idea how anyone can think Coyote unless its some deformed Coyote that's had half its face/head removed. Sometimes the process of elimination is easier than....
Its not canid (except some small few breeds)
And it's too small for a Cougar unless it's a juve. But then theres the ears that aren't quite right (too pointed and tall). And while some features might fit a Lynx well that to can be eliminated.
So are there any other felines out there that fit the bill, where almost nothing can be eliminated?
Feline: Check
Face: Check
Ears: Check
Tail: check
Size: Check
See above.
No question it's a coyote.
Care to explain the lack of a snout?
I know the image isn't great, and theres a remote possibility there is one, but can only go with what we can see and in the pic with its head turned theres no snout unless people are seeing I can't see even when zoomed in quite a lot.. Hence why so many think feline/cat or cougar.
"logically, if playing the odds, Coyote would be I think the safest bet. But don't understand how people can be so sure when no snout is visible, one of the most prominent features on dogs. And it can't be seen, when it should be.
Here's a pic of a coyote in profile as the one image thats a profile of its face.
http://jbenphotography.ca/img/s/v-2/p829988910-4.jpg
also compare the lengths of that Coyotes snout to its ears. The snouts longer than its ears, in the pic with it's (whatever it is) head turned, the ears are "massive", relative to its face/head (and what little snout is visible).
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tried to re-word it as it may have come across wrong. One of the most recognizable features or differences between cats/dogs,and there are reasons why quite a few are leaning feline.....
That cat is incredible. ...imagine that having a bad time on catnip.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Not a cat!! Cougars have more rounded ears and it just plain looks like a coyote. The lack of snout in the one pic is because its nightime and trail cams aren't clear
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PIC 1,2 coyote, 3 Racoons, 4 deer