Just heard on the news "A man in Florida will not be facing charges for shooting a dog right in front of its owner for growling and barking at him".
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Just heard on the news "A man in Florida will not be facing charges for shooting a dog right in front of its owner for growling and barking at him".
What were the circumstances?Quote:
Originally Posted by sidelock
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Originally Posted by Jerryklimczuk
What I wrote.
Ok then
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And your point is.....for, or against?
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Originally Posted by sidelock
"Speacless, shot a do" ?
Aren't you aware of the Florida law that allows them use lethal force when they feel threatened ? --- Yeah , they are crazy down there . It's called the "STAND YOUR GROUND-law" . --- It pays to remember that if you ever get into an argument with some-one (down there) . Spats that WE would resolve with a punch in the mouth could easily turn deadly (in Florida) . --- You may remember the George Zimmerman-dilemma ! --- Zimmerman (a Latino) shot (and killed) a 17 year old colored boy with whom he'd engaged in a shoving-match . He got away with it too . --- Since then he's had numerous clashes with "law-enforcement" BUT this s.o.b. is still walking the street . --- Bear in mind that the majority of Floridians "pack" pea-shooters . --- I'd spent 10 winters down there (as a SNOWBIRD) and really had to stifle my temper (in traffic-related situations) . --- My wife kept on reminding me !
Always two sides to these stories...
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Their kinship may have cost Candy her life, after a man who said he felt threatened by the two-foot tall, stocky 50-pound dog shot her while Jacobson was working on his boat.
Jacobson said the man shot the dog based on her appearance as a pit bull and filed a complaint with the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office a day after the shooting.
The Sarasota County Sheriff's Office declined to press charges, saying in a report that Zach Deaterly, 25, of Nokomis, who had a permit to carry the weapon, acted lawfully.
The case raises questions about Florida's gun and self-defense laws, which Jacobson said are "too vague."
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Deaterly got close to the truck and Candy came out barking at him. Jacobson had already started walking towards Deaterly, and said he was within a few feet when Deaterly kicked at the dog and it ran away. The dog came back out seconds later still barking and was crouching down. Deaterly said Candy appeared to be in an "attack stance," reports stated.“Get your dog off me,” Deaterly told deputies he said.
Deaterly said Jacobson did not move so he drew a revolver from his pocket and shot twice at the dog.
“Did you just shoot my dog?” Jacobson said.
“You’re goddamn right I did,” Detearly said, according to the reports.
full story: http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20...-dog-shot-deadQuote:
Criminal defense attorney Derek Byrd said the same rule that applies to a human applies to animals when it comes to self-defense.
“The question becomes, if a person reasonably believes that serious bodily injury is coming their way, they are able to stand their ground and use deadly force. Though, if the animal is retreating, saying you are exercising deadly force in self-defense would be hard to prove.”
If he felt threatened by a dog he didn't recognize that was on his property than I can sort of understand, I have an underlying fear of dogs due to being bit twice as a kid by uncontrolled dogs on the loose. Would I shoot a dog that seems like it was threatening me as a grown man...not if it wasn't actually biting me and even then there are far less lethal options. Seems like the guy was too quick to pull his gun, just my opinion. That being said, its their state and their law and as far as the police are concerned he did nothing wrong. I am sad for the dog, I am sad for the dog owner and I am sad for the inevitable public outrage and backlash the shooter and his family are going to receive due to the fact so many people will take a 1 sided stance on this argument. I wasn't there so I cant speak for the shooter feeling threatened, just seems really senseless.
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Also, that whole stand your ground law is a complete joke. Way too may holes and its open to interpretation. Seems like an easy way too get away with murder.
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I believe we need these laws in Canada. Yes, I am serious.
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Originally Posted by Jerryklimczuk
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Originally Posted by line052
When I read this can see why a stand your ground law exist. Where one feels a little violence is okay to settle an argument you have to wonder. Takes the fear of being shot to stay civil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunner 38
Like the wild west!Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
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We all should stand are ground. We have been backing up for to Ling to special interest groups.
If we had Florida's law, the gang-banger who shot Jane Creba would have walked free.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
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Sounds like this dog was simply Standing her Ground. A different situation, but this past weekend a young lad in the Woodstock area was injured and then had to watch as two off leash dogs tore his young pup apart after unsuccessfully trying to hold the pup up out of their reach. If that were my kid, there would have been two dead dogs...... While the fault lies with the owners that did not have control of their animals but a dog should only get one strike when attacking when unprovoked.
My avatar just whispered to me he,s not going to Florida this year.
LOL..... good idea. :)
I think almost anyone would agree, but the sad fact is that most of these situations involve dogs that aren't actually attacking. Barking at someone isn't attacking. You get a guy who can't read a dog and a dog who's warning him off, and rather than react appropriately, he shoots the dog and says the dog was behaving aggressively.Quote:
Originally Posted by M_P
One evening, I was having a very "lively" discussion with a friend of mine.
It was nearly dark, we were standing beside his barn and I was wearing a hoodie.
My friends cousin whom I had never met was standing with 2 other guys about 50 feet away with his dog on a leash.
Finish my conversation with my friend, look over at the dog owner and ask, "Is your dog friendly?"
Guy replies, "Yep he's really good."
I whip the hoodie off my head, quickly walk over to the leashed, sitting dog, reach over the dogs head to scratch it...end up with 3 stitches.
Entirely my fault.
I did everything wrong...dark, hoodie, loud conversation, rush up to dog and reach for it.
That dog perceived me as a threat and was protecting itself and/or its owner.
I refused to give the owners info to the authorities.
Dog bit me.
My fault.
Owner sent me a copy of the dogs vaccination records. I was not concerned about rabies.
End of story.
Sometimes us people need to accept responsibilty for dog bites.
Yes....I intentionally left the breed of the dog out of this post because it does not matter what breed it was.
I was the one in the wrong.
Too many people automatically blame a dog for biting.
Well...some people deserve to get bitten.
In this case it was me.
My behaviour and the situation/conversation/tones of voice/hand gesturing put that dog on alert.
It perceived me as a threat....and then to make matters worse, I pretty much ran up to the dog and reached for it.
Duh me!
I did not read that dog.
I saw no sense in a 10 day quarantine being imposed because I saw the vaccination records myself.
Also saw no need to stress the owner and his family by involving the authorities nor to have the dog labelled (for lack of the proper terminology).
That was great that you recognized it might have been partly your fault. Dogs will instinctively protect the pack leader and react to being dominated or threatened by a human.
In this video a lot of the blame goes on the shoulder of the police officer as he was not even sure of his new partners reactions. He allowed the reported to get way to close.Almost every dog bite situation you see posted on u tube a human got into the face of the dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHLnjiISsOo
In that video, anyone with a bit of "dog savvy" can see by the dog's reaction prior to the bite, that the dog was unsure of the reporters intentions, just look at the laid back ears, especially when the reporter puts both hands on him.
you got it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Noseyarentcha
I was bitten a few years ago. completely the owners fault starting from his unintentional behaviour that scared the hell out of the dog before the incident and too little socialization in general.
I didn't go to the hospital to avoid the fuss that might come with it (would have just been a stitch or two anyway). Vaccinations were up to date and the owner was certainly more shocked than I was. what I did learn (and what is similar to your story): don't trust any owner, just look at the dog
People are so scared of any dog larger than a rabbit nowadays. How rational is that; just look at them having their heads down texting while driving on the highway or in heavy traffic, running red lights to make it on time to the manicure. How many pedestrians get run over every fall - no actions other than some radio dude reminding one "it's that time of the year again"...
Perceiving larger dogs as a threat is rather irrational (in our society), but as long as the bitbull makes the headline (and not the thug who owns it) that won't change anytime soon.