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Hi guys,
I'm looking to buy one of the above guns shortly and trying to see if one of them is better than the other. I can't seem to find any info online on the comparison of the two guns. Is that because they are virtually the same gun? Is there any difference between the two at all?
Thank you very much in advance guys
Happy hunting and stay safe
Mateo
For hunting or for Shyts and giggles ??
This would only be for fun. I know this isn't really a useful gun per se but it has always been a dream of mine to own one lol
It would be good for grouse or bunnies if it had a full or modified choke.
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Originally Posted by Hunter John
I have no experience with the dominion or the norinco but the 2nd gun I ever bought 30 years ago was a IGA / Stoeger coach gun. It was a tough durable gun that I had a lot of fun with and I am sure it is a step up from the dominion and the norinco but still reasonably priced , especially for a double.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20101119200903
And as forum member Captain Cotton showed us it can be an effective hunting tool as well as a fun shyts and giggles gun.
https://wildsofontario.files.wordpre...0/dsc_0019.jpg
No argument here.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
The Stoeger coach gun is definitely a great one too. Quality wise it would definitely be a step up. Hmmm.. something for me and my brother to consider :)
thanks guys
Nothing wrong with a good old Cylinder Bore, it is a 12ga, you don't need a full/mod chokes for small game in the bush, most often they are way too close for those chokes.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
You can hunt with anything, don't think that the guys in the 1800s did not take animals with their coach guns, the swing in the bush would be beautiful for fast moving bunnies and grouse.
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/28184/...double-trigger
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Originally Posted by Mateo
Just my nickles worth but I wouldn't buy anything from Norinco. They are the major seller to any bad spot in the world and only seem to care about the money.
http://www.janes.com/article/66991/n...er-and-profits
http://www.janes.com/article/65689/n...ocket-launcher
I would suggest the Stoeger coach or defense gun if you want something like that
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...hlight=stoeger
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...hlight=stoeger
YEP... that one, I was looking at their uplander (on sale now), it has the advantage of changeable chokes on the Uplander.
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
Yeah but a cylinder bore is really only good if shot's are less than 20 feet (6.5 yards). I think I would prefer the a full choke. O find most rabbits I have shot were over 20 feet away.
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Originally Posted by Fox
Maybe a slight bit of over kill but should be good for any over sized Moose or Grizzly. :moose:
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Originally Posted by mosquito
Less likely to miss.... just pointing out who Norinco is.... but if you prefer something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
let's see missile systems... http://www.janes.com/article/65152/i...ky-dragon-sale
no... ship board weapons .. no ...
Hey these are new too.
http://www.janes.com/article/65100/a...escoped-weapon
http://www.janes.com/article/66778/n...tank-destroyer
or in the man carried end they make millions of AK copies, bullpups etc.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Norinco_QB_rifle_series
:silly::moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:
Now let's get back on topic before I waste more of my lunch time :moose::moose::moose:
Stoeger would be my pick but the uplander, otherwise some of the 2 3/4 bolt and lever actions are kind cool and good only for lead with a fixed choke.
Yes this stoeger gun is definitely a favorite. I really like the external hammer with double trigger set up. If only that coach gun had the external hammers I wouldn't even think about the Norinco's gun.
If only the coach gun cam in 16 or 20 gauge.
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
It does, 12, 20 and 410. Cabelas only has the 12 and 410 but perhaps Epps, Sail, Basspro or Flaherty have the 20?
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/coa...igger-shotguns
Sorry buddy, I hope that you get out there and pattern a Cylinder bore again, 40% of your pattern inside a 30" circle at 40 yards, Cylinder bore was what I used first for rabbits, at 5 yards you would blow apart a grouse sitting on a stump, trust me, I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I still have that gun, patent date 1912, I plan to test the pattern for turkey to determine max range, I will have no problem at 15 yards on a turkey, probably further but yet to be determined.
I'm going to keep that in mind this Spring
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Originally Posted by mosquito
Watch and see if one shows up on Canadian Gunnutz, I look for either the CZ Mallard or Stoeger Uplander once a week and sometimes see the coach gun and THINK (didn't pay close attention actually so I may be wrong) I saw one not that long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
CZ has a double with hammers in 12 (and 20 as a FYI)
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...h?highlight=CZ
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-hammer-...ixed-cyl-bore/
and a nice looking single trigger, no hammer 20g
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...gneck-SxS-20ga
P.S.
... and of honorable note and if someone won the lotto can someone buy it for me doubles. :cool:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...le-and-shotgun
You can hunt with a short barrel like that, sure. But it's not a great choice. From a safety standpoint, short barrels are undesirable for upland hunting in cover. To understand why, hold the shotgun at port arms, then bring it in to your chest as if you'd fallen on it. Note where the muzzle is, relative to your own head. Consider that you really have little control over how you fall. Short barrels make it all too easy to shoot yourself; consider that the only casualty of the October Crisis shot himself by accident with his SMG on jumping down out of a truck. 26" barrels on a break gun (22" or so on a pump) are about as short as I'd go in cover where I'm all too likely to trip and fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
The idea that a short gun is better in bush is overrated. I hunted for several seasons with a 28" BPS (equivalent to a 34" break gun) and can count on one hand the number of times my swing was stopped by a branch. And the cover I hunt in is obscene.
Short barrels make it easy to shoot yourself? You have got to be kidding me, we are not talking a 6" shotgun barrel here, we are talking a coach gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
CONTROL THE MUZZLE!!!!
Do you not teach this as the #1 rule? Never point the gun at anything you don't intend to shoot, including yourself in a fall. I have slid down a slick moss covered ridge in Eastern Ontario deer hunting, gun was on safe and 2 hands on it, rode down on my back holding on to the gun.
How you fall and shoot yourself when you do the following in beyond me.
1. Control the muzzle
2. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard
3. Keep the gun on safe until you intend to shoot
The casualty of the October crises jumped down out of a truck with a loaded firearm with some ability to make that firearm fire.
Next time you are on the range take your shotgun, it, put it on fire and while unloaded smack it into the ground, unless you hit the trigger or your firearm is faulty it will not fire.
I started out with a 23" barrel on an 870, it was too long in many rabbit hunting situations, I would not even call what I hunt in "obscene", I hunt in tag alders, cedars, thick spruce.
Nothing at all wrong with a short barrel and nothing inherently unsafe with any gun with any barrel length, the safety lies with the user, period.
The interesting thing about falling is that you are not in control of your body while you do it. If you were in control of your body, you would not be falling. And when you are not in control of your body, you are not in control of the muzzle, although many people fondly believe that they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Accidents happen. Only fools believe accidents can never happen to them.
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Originally Posted by welsh
I am surprised an LEO has ever lived to retirement then, running with a handgun, much worse than scissors.
Please go out to the range and with your unloaded but cocked firearm smack it on the ground, just try it.
You have to be in control in every situation, if you are going down an iffy slope it is up to you to unload that firearm so that nothing can happen. You talk about accidents, shooting yourself or someone else is not an accident it is negligence. You have in your hands something that can kill, it is not something to be considered lightly.
I have no clue how you suggest that a trip will cause the gun to twist in your hands, point back at you and go off when contacting the ground. Many things there are not right.
This amounts to arguing that it doesn't matter what you point your muzzles at, because the gun won't fire anyway. If you believe that, you may want to review that whole safety course thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Here's one for you: load your coach gun, keep your finger off the trigger, and look down the muzzle while pounding the butt against the ground.
No? Rather not try that one?
Now try this experiment, when you're done with the first: you carry your shotgun, while a friend sneaks up and trips you by surprise. Then please give me a list of everything your barrel swept as you went down -- because you were in control of it, right?
No; you did not have control of that muzzle. The fall did.
For bonus points, do that one with a loaded shotgun -- it's perfectly safe to do that, right? Because your finger is off the trigger and the gun can't possibly fire!
Here's your third experiment. Hold the shotgun at the port, as you would while hunting. Now rotate it so that it is vertical, and pull it in to your chest, as if you had fallen on it. Where are the muzzles of your 20" barrels?
Directly in front of your face. Very easy for those to end up under your chin.
It's not complicated.