When should I start and what kind works best. I live in the north Bay Area thanks in advance
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When should I start and what kind works best. I live in the north Bay Area thanks in advance
You can start now. I use K9 Advantix II and my 7 yr old Brittany has never had one stay on him. I won't use anything else.
This thread has a lot of good info.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...d-Lyme-disease
The time is definitely now. My vet said that once there is any green showing , there are fleas and ticks. With the change in ONtario winter weather, I'm going to all year treatment.
As Terry said, Advantix 2 works great , but I'm more lazy than Terry. :) I use Nexguard - more money but a simple pill.
I switched to Nexgard last year and second Sharon's endorsement.
The late season finds me down around Long Point which is tick central. Not a single tick last year.
For the last several years we have used seresto collars(made by Bayer) which are meant for water work with a protection period of 8 months. We also bought preventic collars which come in 2 packs for 8 months
Both have been extremely effective both in the south and here in Ont
I used k9 advantix II up until last year when I switched to a seresto collar because I heard good reviews. It was fantastic last year and I didn't have to remember to put a new treatment on each month. I'm using seresto again this year.
Used to use Advantix but switched to Bravecto. I think Advantix worked fine but as a topical there was always the question of how it was applied - did I get it on the skin, what if the dog swam the day after, etc. and it was monthly. Bravecto is a once every 3 month chewable. With Advantix every now and then he'd still pick up ticks. In 2 years of using Bravecto on lots of pheasant and duck hunts in bad tick (and Lyme) country I have never found a tick on my dogs. Everyone i know who uses Bravecto is happy with it.
Bravecto works great too I'm told. Just depends on what you want to pay.
Cost scale seems to increase in this order( I could be wrong.):
Advantix 2, Nexguard , Bravecto, Seresto
Revolution does not control deer ticks - only dog ticks.
I just paid $120 for 2 doses of Bravecto - that's 6 months of coverage, so $20/month. While I would like to pay less, $20/month is pretty reasonable. And since I hunt in a bad Lyme area I think it is a lot less expensive than the dogs getting Lyme.
Bravecto and Nexgard are basically the same thing, except Bravecto is more money for longer coverage per dose.
Lots of good tick options these days.
K9 Advantix II started in March.
Sharon you're quite correct about costs, I find though they can be all over the map depending where you get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Seresto collars currently are $42 a piece , good for 7-8 months. If you can find Preventic collars you can get them for about $25 per a two pck. This is USA dollars,
Most of the training groups in the south employ this method and I am yet to hear a poor review.
We're trying Bravecto for the first time this year just because it was included in the Spring Wellness Clinic at the Vets this is year. It didn't cost us near that much or I wouldn't have switched from buying Liberty 50 at the TSC in NY state.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAARG
Liberty 50 (permethrin) gives the dogs excellent coverage for 6 months for about $40 CDN.
Coming from Sharon and you who are both London area and a much heavier tick area your endorsement can't be ignored. I will look into Nexgaurd. Topical are a pain to apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
I just checked the Seresto active ingredient list and how it works. I do not remember reading last year that it actually repels ticks. I thought someone mentioned on last years thread that ticks will go on the dog but eventually die from the active ingredient. My concern at the time was the dog coming back into the house with ticks on him may jump onto family members.
Guess we all would have that concern about ticks leaving a dog once in the house.
What is Seresto used for:
Seresto is an effective alternative to topical flea and tick control. It is an innovative new flea and ticks collar that releases continuous active ingredients for 8 months, ensuring your pet is protected against harmful conditions that fleas and ticks can transmit. Seresto kills existing fleas on dogs in 24 hours, and reinfesting fleas within 2 hours with protection against further infestations lasting eight months. Ticks already on your pet prior to treatment may not be killed immediately and may remain visible and attached. The prevention of infestations with new ticks starts within 48 hours after application of the collar. Seresto kills lice on dogs for one month, and aids in the treatment and control of sarcoptic mange.
What I can tell you is what I see on almost all the dogs who are south for winter training. Seresto has become the choice of almost all of them. we have several Vets who actually come to the training groups on a regular basis. Everything from soft tissue issues to preventative maintenance. Vets like Dr Jennel Appelle from Tallahaisse who specialize in this all support the use of seresto collars.
I had 2 trips to the hospital a number of years ago with stage one lymes and a pretty bulls-eye, we have had no repeats of this since using the collars.
Not sure everyone would like a collar, maybe the 'pill' is the easiest but they are way cleaner than using the topicals and sistemics have never been my first choice.
Lets hope it's not a bad year for ticks!
Is the Seresto collar available here in Canada and if so where? Thanks for the info, bear season is about to start and I'd like to give it a try...
I really like the idea of those Seresto collars. Are they available in Canada without having to go to a vet for an unneeded examination? For $50 that's cheap protection for 8 months worth.
Are any of these online sources like CanadaVet or Canadapetcare.com reputable? Tks
Cheers
I believe I saw them listed on Canada Vet. We always get ours in the south. I did check with the Bayer Canada rep last spring and she said they were awaiting approval and it should have come in.
Perhaps Cass will comment, I believe he ordered his for delivery in Ontario.
N exams needed before buying flea/tick products at the vet. Blood test only needed for heartworm products ( June), because if your dog already has some heartworm, the full product can kill the dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
I use Heartguard in early June .
heartworms :
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psd64d518a.jpg
I have not found them in Canada. I purchase mine off of eBay. One collar costs 30-40 dollars. Win-win. Most sellers on ebay ship quickly.
Tks Sharon. The reason I ask is because when I wanted worm medication (not heartworm) they insisted on a check up for the dog and the cat and there was no blood work done. $70 for a 5 minute check up led me to OTC products and diatomaceous earth. Bella also get brewers yeast every day all year long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Cheers
My vet would want a feces check before giving me deworming meds , which I would want too.
To me, a general check up seems a bit over board for worm medication, but I'm not a vet so maybe.......................
What's your reasoning for the need of diatomaceous earth? Brewers yeast is given by many to their dogs apparently. Certainly not essential.
If your vet trusts that you know what a tape worm is in your dogs poop...you shouldn't have to have him to confirm it and just sell you the pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I had to order them it online to avoid that $75 gouge. ..it worked, worms gone, dogs healthy...imagine that :)
I discovered quite a few farmers/locals use it for deworming when I worked at the feed store...the only downside it takes about a month of treating their food once they have worms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
good info here: https://www.vetinfo.com/using-diatom...worm-pets.html
Good information on this topic here, thank you all. The collars sound very interesting. I spend a lot of time at my cottage at Long Point in the summer and tons of ticks there. However, two of my dogs are fairly young and quite playful with each other and are always wrestling and pulling each others necks. Do you feel this could be a challenge with the collars both from the perspective of pulling them off or breaking them and the health issues of mouthing them? They all wear nylon collars when not hunting and I don't generally have problems with them being pulled off.
Just picked up Advantix II for X-large dog @ Meijers in Michigan. $49.99Us = $67.00cdn for a 4 month supply. Hope I didn't over-pay...lol
If you're concerned about that, you might consider Nexgard.Quote:
Originally Posted by singlemalt
or Bravecto.....( Fluralaner) ...a systemic insecticide and acaricide that is administered orally.
OK thanks used Advantix 2 last year without any issues. Maybe I will just stick with that. My Vet is the wife of a hunting and fishing buddy and she usually gives me good advice and even tries to save me money. (To a point :) ) I will see what she suggests.
Maybe stick with the Advantix II given the likely hood one of your dogs could rip it off. Mine would. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by singlemalt
That would be my concern too. With a JRT around things happen! :) I also don't like to see so many collars on a dog - ID collar, e collar, GPS collar ......Quote:
Originally Posted by singlemalt
As you know, there are many kinds of worms. I like to get the meds particular to that worm. Lucky here , as my country vet is not out to make big bucks. I often feel like saying, "Is that all?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Sharon, you certainly don't live anywhere near me. Vet's here send you a bill if you even think about going to see them. If you don't like it and say you don't want whatever, they then make you out as some evil person who hates animals.
I'm very fortunate. Happy to recommend my vet by PM to anyone who lives in the London area. She also has gundogs.
I remember, not to many years ago, the vet would come right to the house, charge me the 'Farm' visit cost and do all the 4 legged house pets we had. He'd set up on the freezer in the mud room and we would bring all the cats and dogs in for their shots like an assembly line. His bill was far less than what they charge now for a single dog/cat to the Vets.
Use to take all my huskies to Rideau Raceway Horse Track Ottawa and the vet would do all my dogs vaccinations and health check. I think it was $20 to $25.00 per dog at the time.
When I first switched to these collars that was my concern as well; however that was short lived. I see the pries even on Amazon and Chewy have gone up in the last 2 weeks. For those who can order, keep an eye on Chewy.com as they will have a sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
The Preventic collars came from HealthyPets.com 8008999475. Both offered fast delivery.
I personally never cared for the systemic applications which is why I switched to the collars. I really like the type of protection with the Serestos.
As I mentioned almost all northern retrievers training in the south for the winter now wear them. Flea/tick protection as far as cost goes is of least concern for them....effectiveness definitely is.
one thing about Ceresto,IIRC - they're not recommended around small kids or if the dog sleeps in owner's bed.
No one's does, right? ;)
I pulled an engorged one off my Brittany today. Just been away from home too much recently. Time to hit the Vet's for some poison. Likely stick with K9 Advantix II.
We found another today too. Not engorged this time, but still annoys and worries us every time.
This is the 4th since November. He's already got Lyme though, and is being treated. He had it when we adopted him.
Once you have lyme and your are treated to health, are you then immune to lyme from then on?
No. Re-infection can occur.
Get some preventative going. Seresto went on my guy on the weekend. Mild temps and he spends a lot of time outdoors.
Where do you guys get your Seresto? My vet is against it. My girlfriend is against it because my vet is against it. So Calvin is on Brevecto. But I feel like the collar is a better method. Right or wrong?
To answer that you really need someone who has used both. Otherwise, it's like asking which breed is best: "mine."
The Seresto collar is not available in Canada. I assume one has to cross the border to buy it or maybe there is an American company that can ship it to you. I don't know. I'd be interested in knowing why your vet was against the collar?Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
My vet is against it merely because Canada is against it. I don't like that reason.
We just had our mutt to the vet. He's on Rev and we told him we are concerned about ticks, specifically lyme he told us there is a "new" vaccine for lyme. We had ours vaccinated. The fact that this hasn't come up in your conversation kinda worries me.... Anyone else heard about a lyme vaccine?
I don't know that Canada is against it, just hasn't been approved for sale yet. It looks like it's a slow release collar version of Advantix. When it is approved in Canada it will cost more here. Like cars, clothes, shoes, food etc. For some reason American companies figure they can charge more in Canada than they do in the States. They must figure the average Canadian is better off than the average American?
Seresto is easily bought online. Check ebay. That's where I get mine.
Yes collars available in US because Bayer applied there first. Bayer Canada has told me the Canadian application is pending. You can order through eBay and it will be delivered here in Canada.
Go on eBay and check forests/seresto
Lyme vaccine has proven to be less than effective. My Vet has made that clear to me.I have used advantix and revolution previously, currently been using either seresto or preventic collars and both have been extremely effective.
Revolution is useless for ticks. Deer ticks will be all over him which is where Lyme comes from. Don't waste your money. I had to tell my vet he was wrong.
Some vets seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Revolution works for ticks. It only works for dog ticks.
Had that very conversation with my vet today. Going with Nexgard.
Any recommendations on a seller? TksQuote:
Originally Posted by Cass
Had that issue with one of the vets last spring, pulled a half dozen ticks off of our dog over the season. This year we were lucky enough to get the ol timer vet and he said yes, Rev is not effective against tics but if you are ok with pulling them (which I am) he said best to go with Rev (for all that it does) and just vaccinate the dog against lyme, so we did that. Not asking about your thoughts on Rev and ticks asking if anyone else has come across the lyme vaccine.
This is the newest Lyme Vaccine Technology. Looks to be better protection than prior offerings and purported to be less likely to cause vaccine reactions as is less unnecessary background material in the vaccine.
https://www.zoetisus.com/products/dogs/vanguard-crlyme/
Rugger:Big debate among vets on its usefulness now that so many pesticides are available. Here are 3 opinions if you are interested.
http://todaysveterinarypractice.navc...oints-of-view/
Sorry . Was posting at the same time as the vet.
So where do you stand on preventative lime vaccine for dogs? I certainly wouldn't mind the cost if it was effective?Quote:
Originally Posted by be2man
I followed this advice at one time ... came back from hunting near Long Point one time & combed/pulled 54 ticks off the dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugger
This is why I'm a fan of Nexgard. :)
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We went with the Vanguard this year on the advice of the vet, only $30 (US). We go into Thursday for the booster. No brainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by be2man
So this Vanguard vaccine is a Lyme preventative, or is it a tick repellent?
I get the Lyme vaccine for the dog every year but no one knows how effective it actually is so I don't take a chance. It can't hurt to give it but it may not be the best safeguard.
It's a vaccine for Lyme disease....you still need to get 'insecticide' prevention for ticks/fleas. My vet recommends Bravecto so we're going to give it a try this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
The Lyme Vaccines are meant to neutralize the bacteria that cause the disease, not repel ticks. The Vanguard crLyme looks to be the best vaccine technology currently available. I was able to talk to Dr Richard Marconi, the vaccine's developer, at a Conference and he assured me that the vaccine prevented dogs developing Lyme related Arthritis and Nephritis and would also prevent dogs that were exposed to Lyme from seroconverting and testing positive on the Snap 4DX and Quant C6 tests in the future.
One of the unknowns with Lyme is how many dogs may develop subclinical arthritis and are never overtly lame, but don't perform as well as they might otherwise.
The current thinking is that even with treatment Lyme positive dogs are never completely free of the bacteria, that natural infection doesn't stimulate immunity and that dogs can get reinfected over and over again if not on a prevention program and in a Lyme endemic area.
If you live in an area where Lyme ticks are common I think the vaccine is an extra layer of protection but not a replacement for a good repellent or acaricide product.
More time will tell if this vaccine works as well in large scale use as it has in Clinical trials.
Dr Marconi is also working on a human vaccine for multiple tick borne infections.
It's surprising there's still no effective human vaccine for this serious illness that is reported to infect 300,000 people a year in the U.S. It's quite likely the development of this vaccine is a step on the road to getting a human vaccine approved.
Oh, gotcha. Our little buddy has gotten the vaccine after testing 184 on the QC6. I'm trying to find the invoice to confirm the name, but that must be the one. I feel silly for not remembering.
I was under the impression that the Vanguard vaccine was relatively new, the published tech bulletin on it is dated 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
Thanks for the info. So far all of our ticks have come from the Bancroft area I'm ok with removing a few every season, 54 in a day is another story. ..
Whatever it is, I'll have to confirm when I get back home. This vaccine was administered a few weeks ago; and he'd been treated for Lyme in the past according to the shelter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Looks like it was approved by the USDA in Jan. 2016. Availability in Canada is relatively new AFAIKQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
https://news.vcu.edu/article/VCU_Sch...ional_for_Lyme
The vet would have recommended a booster after 3 weeks if he got the Vanguard vaccine. I don't know if that will be a yearly thing or if it's just the first time they start on the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by awndray
The first shot was several weeks ago. The booster was done last week. Come to think of it, I don't think it's the Lyme vaccine we're discussing here though. He's being treated with doxycycline due to the high QC6 result. Then there's Bravecto for protection.
Now that is very interesting.......... "Lyme related arthritis" .................. I've always thought my old girl had osteoarthritis, but maybe..............Quote:
Originally Posted by be2man
My wife was the one who took our mutt to the vet so the info is coming in bits. .. The vet told her that Rev will kill the ticks (and they will stay attached until they die) so less chance of dog dropping a live tick in the house (is this a concern with other control methods? ). However, the length of time it takes for Rev to kill is not quick enough to guarantee that Lyme will not be transmitted. Apparently it takes a while for Lyme to be transmitted but the effective time of Rev (on ticks) is slightly longer than the minimum time required for a Lyme infection to be transmitted.
Again this is second hand from one vet. How does it square with what you know? Thanks.
Revolution does not work for deer ticks. It's in the product info packed in the box.
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Although the anti-tick chemicals in Advantix and Soresto are both pyrethroids, they are not the same. Advantix uses permerthrin and Soresto uses flumethrin. They are both acaricidal, and both are tick repellents.Quote:
Originally Posted by be2man
One big difference is that flumethrin is not toxic to cats, while permethrin is. This opens up the cat market for tick protection.
Both products use the neonicotinoid imidacloprid as the anti-flea chemical.
Here are a couple of studies on the Soresto collars
Evaluation of the long-term efficacy and safety of an imidacloprid 10%/flumethrin 4.5% polymer matrix collar (Seresto®) in dogs and cats naturally infested with fleas and/or ticks in multicentre clinical field studies in Europe
Efficacy of an imidacloprid/flumethrin collar against fleas, ticks and tick-borne pathogens in dogs
One thing I hadn't considered is that these collars could be good for kennels or animal shelters. The product is good for 8 months, for cats or dogs, and you could just pop the collars on the new animals for a week (or whatever the determined protocol would be) and be able to re-use the collar. No sizing a spot-on to the animal's weight, possibly over-dosing.
I think I'll be ordering a pair of collars for my dogs from the states. Otherwise, I usually just buy a pack of Powerspot from Pet value for $17. Gives me four doses of permethrin spot-on; so with both dogs I can do the whole season for about $60. Our female is small though, ~12lbs, and permethrin doesn't always agree with her so I cut back on her dose. I find that we can get ticks jumping on during the fourth week of coverage with permethrin, so I think I'v got a coverage gap of a few days sticking to the once-a-month schedule.
One collar at the start of the year would save me from the hassle of reminders and those spot-on packets.
I like the idea of Bravecto, but it is not a repellent - then again it provides even and systemic protection, is working within a few hours, and is good for 12 weeks. Tough call.
Here is a quick review article of the major product components, although flumethrin is not discussed.
Systemically and cutaneously distributed ectoparasiticides: a review of the efficacy against ticks and fleas on dogs
For the collar to be effective for that long it has to stay on the animal. Taking it off after a week or a month means the dog is no longer protected.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugger
On the tick side, it is good only for American Dog Tick and Brown Dog Tick, but requires feeding. There are much better options on the tick side.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
It is effective against fleas, heartworm, some hookworms (in cats), some roundworms, many mites and sarcoptic mange.
It is non-toxic to cats and to Ivermectin-sensitive Collies.
Nice coupon for Bravecto, still not cheap but a bit cheaper.
http://www.bravecto.ca/files/Bravecto-Coupon-EN.pdf
Yes, I was thinking it could be used as a 'quarantine' type item for shelters to clear the new dog of ticks & fleas. After that, it might not be needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass
Maybe a bad idea, but it was a thought that jumped in to my head.
I'd leave it on my dogs the full 8 months.
Nice find! Better than full price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thymallus
Amazing, a valid coupon when you actually need one!
Picked up my Seresto collar up yesterday at Port Huron, Pet Smart. Regular price was $72.99 and if you are a Pet Perks member you receive a discount of $10.95 plus they had a special for one day only and received an additional 25% off. Before tax it came to $46.53 after the discounts.
YD let me know what you think. You'll love it. My guy spends most days outdoors and keeps him protected
off topic?...
I'm going to start the Heartgard med May 1 this year instead of June 1. Seeing clouds of mosquitoes down her in SW On already.
makes you wonder how many coyotes are carrying lyme disease.
We started our dog on Bravecto over the weekend. This will be her first year on Bravecto as we previously had been using Advantix. Our Vet recommended Bravecto & said this season will the worst yet.
Has anyone had experience with the Preventic collar? It looks like Amazon.ca sells them & might be a good secondary option for hunting in spots that are known to be higher risk.
I also use UltraShield EX (thanks to terrym and I believe MikePal for that tip) on my boots/gear when walking out in known areas & technically I guess I could spray some on the dog too.
Picked up a t product called Sawyer insect repellant at Dicks Sporting Goods, Port Huron Michigan on the weekend. You spray it on your hunting clothing boots etc and will last up to six washes. Is the same as the UltraShield.Quote:
Originally Posted by RTRonthefly
Remeber that we are talking about pesticides. I wouldn't double dose with a topical and a collar. We also need to remember to wash our own hands well after using any of these products.Quote:
Originally Posted by RTRonthefly
We gave the Bravecto pill this year. My interest in a collar would be only to augment in areas of tick hot spots. My fear with the pill (as been previously commented) is accidentally bringing home a cling-on into the house.
I haven't experienced that problem with Nexgard -- same active ingredient as Bravecto.
You asked about Preventic, we used them when Seresto collars were not available..,..sold out. The Preventics were $23USA for a pair. The pair will last 6 months
I have 3 wearing them currently and they have been as effective as the Serestos. One difference is that the Serestos have 3 small clamp on buttons to prevent the collar from sliding open whereas the Preventive don't
I can tell you that several pros I see in the south have transitioned to them probably due to lesser cost.
Both collars have been totally successful from what I can see, that was not always the case with the systemics as I ended up with tick bites over the winter even though advantix was used.
Same class of compounds, isoxazolines, but not the same ingredient.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
NexGard has afoxolaner, Bravecto has fluralaner, and the new Simparica has sarolaner. All are edibles, with NexGard and Simparica being monthly treatments, although Simparica seems good to 35 days according to the studies and their website, and Bravecto dosed every 12 weeks, although it has lost some tick protection by then.
I thought Bravecto was afoxolaner. Oops. :)
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There are so many products available now, it is hard to keep track.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
At least the major products are mostly the same name across the US/Canadian Border, and only change once you get to Europe.
Got my Seresto collars two days ago. One for a bud with a real long haired Shepherd. Ended up going through ebay and it was $42.50 US each with free shipping. Took a good two weeks for it to come in from Poland. It will be nice to not have to worry as my dog is mostly outdoors and roams free.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Btw it was called Feresto there. They added a sheet with English info.
Cheers
So my bud with the Shep phones me up this morning. Last night his dog could barely get up off the floor as his back legs were hardly working. So he takes the collar off just in case and today the dog is pretty well back to normal. So I do more checking online and sure enough it's one of the more common complaints with the Seresto collar, along with a myriad of other problems like runny stools, convulsions and even death. Wow, if I had of done more research first I likely wouldn't have got the collar in the first place, even though it is recommended by many vets and for many they have no problems at all.
I guess it must depend on the dog because to this point my dog is fine with no symptoms at all so far , but I will keep a close eye on her for sure.
So be aware folks. You just never know with all these chemicals.
Cheers
Mercy! I'll stick to the Nexgard
( Never seen the ticks worse. Never been worried or seen ticks when gardening , but this year ......................wow.)
I haven't put the Seresto collar on my lab yet, finishing up the month of topical Advantix II. Maybe I will return the Seresto collar to PetSmart and continue on with the Advantix II.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Very unfortunate about the dog's hind end.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
I have used the Seresto on 5 dogs for several years without any issue what so ever. The training groups in the area all use them as well with no side effects.
If you/he doesn't want it, feel free to pm me, I'd be glad to take it.
By the way to do a trial in any sense of a scientific approach, I'd put it on again and monitor.
Not knowing the dog or any testing done previously I'd be curious if he was EIC affected....just curious......something not connected to this collar or any other meds.....those are the 'symptons' for sure. Not many people have been testing for this but it's more common than you think.
Good luck with the dog.
krakadawn I did suggest to my bud to try putting it back on again just to verify that it was the collar for sure but he's not going to attempt it in case it does more permanent damage. As for the EIC he takes the dog for good walks everyday and does a lot of ball tossing at home so I highly doubt it was exercise induced.
From what I read on line Bayer is well aware of these side effects in some dogs and will offer a refund for the product and even cover some folks with related vet bills if it has been determined that the Seresto was in fact the cause.
My dog is still fine, so that's reassuring. Maybe I'll just vacuum seal his collar and use it next year.
Cheers
FYI ..... EIC symptoms do not strictly appear due to actual exercise. The symptoms can appear in a dog who is a genetic EIC affected dog due to a number of stress related situations not just exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
The dog in question was a German Shepherd. Has EIC been seen in Shepherds? You said the product shipped from Poland? I'd be leery of buying something without a known chain of distribution from the original manufacturer. Counterfeit Veterinary drugs coming from unregulated Countries is a problem. If there's enough money in it someone will fake it.
https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Con.../ucm048164.htm
Also my initial thoughts .... as per the recent stories with regards to counterfeit heartworm and topic flea / tick medication.Quote:
Originally Posted by be2man
Of note in the product info is that if the dog swims more than once a month or is out in the sun the collar should be replaced every 5 months rather than being effective for 8 months.
This seller had a 99+% rating on ebay and my interactions with her were excellent, I have no concerns as to getting a genuine product. I never heard of EIC before today, but a quick search shows zero relation to Shepherds. A quick search for Seresto complaints however indicates that exact symptom that my bud described to me and I know his wife checked too for him before he even phoned me the next day. He told me he hardly slept that night he was so worried.
I guess some dogs are just sensitive to it, just as some can't even handle regular hartz flea collars. A quick search brings this all up.
Cheers
I just got my Seresto dog collar today in the mail from Canada Vet.com located in B.C. I ordered it on the 11th April and was told it would take 4-6weeks to get here.The reason it takes so long is that it is shipped from Bayer Australia Ltd 875 Pacific Highway NSW.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
The can which came here with the collar has the known side affects listed which are " Application site reactions such as dermatitis,inflammation,eczema or lesions may occur and in these instances, a temporary collar removal may be recommended until the symptoms have disappeared.In the unlikely event of the animal eating the collar mild gastrointestinal symptoms (e.g. loose stools) may occur.
My total for the collar for dogs over 8kg was $70.42 postage and handling $7.91 for a total of $78.33
I did some research before buying and did see the E Bay offer from Poland but decided against it as I was not to sure what I would get in return.Bayer does appear to have a plant in Poland however.
Put the collar on today and will update you guys on how Bozz does with it on.
Active Constituents 100mg/g Imidacloprid and 45mg/g Flumethrin
Imidacloprid is a systemic insecticide which acts as an insect neurotoxin and belongs to a class of chemicals called the neonicotinoids which act on the central nervous system of insects, with much lower toxicity to mammals
Flumethrin is a pyrethroid insecticide. It is used externally in veterinary medicine against parasitic insects and ticks on cattle, sheep, goats, horses, and dogs, and the treatment of parasitic mites in honeybee colonies.
I am going to wait before I put the Seresto collar on my dog Gilroy. I will stick with the Advantix II for now and may discuss further with my vet.
All of these options have known, rare adverse reactions.
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That would be standard for most medications and something to consider before using. Just like the commercials advertising medications listing all the side effects . It's a wonder why anyone would take these medications knowing these potential side effects. Kinda scary !
Day two of the collar on and he has been a little lethargic but this morning back to normal,it looks like it will be ok.
I just purchased 3 doses of Bravecto for my Brittany. It was 101$ total from Universal Pet Meds. I had to pay my vet 14$ to write the prescription and then I sent it in by mail to Universal in Winnipeg. A lot cheaper than getting directly from the vet though I did it this way because my vet did not have Bravecto on hand and it is getting late in the season for treatment.
Good deal.
That's 9 months of treatment for 101 + 14 = $125.00
I get Nexguard at 6 months of treatment for $123.00 ( at the vet).
Can you double up on any of these?
We live in a tick rich area of Niagara. Our long hair puddlepointer will pick-up at least 10 ticks a day just from our back yard and as many as 50 during a 2 hour trip to the Bush.
Our vet has given us Revolution which will kill the tick if it's on her long enough but it doesn't repel them at all. The vet says that it does good for a lot of things and that we should keep using it.
I'm interested in trying the Seresto collar... should we stop using the revolution first?
Thanks for any help.
Shows at $124.25 $Can. for 3 doses of the 10-20kg dog size, plus $10 shipping, plus HST? plus the $14 prescription, not sure how you got to $101 total, am I looking in the wrong place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thymallus
https://www.universalpetmeds.ca/medications/B
Revolution is ineffective against the kinds of ticks you need to worry about for disease transmission. With that heavy an exposure you'd be best with something with a repellent and kill effect like Advantix or the Seresto collar. Either is fine to use with Revolution. Revolution is absorbed through the hair follicles into the bloodstream while the other 2 stay on the skin surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jburl
I put the Seresto collar on my girl three days ago and so far so good. Her energy level remains the same as well as her appetite.
Be2Man, I just checked my Visa statement and it worked out to what I said. Perhaps they have changed the price in the last few weeks? Sorry that you cannot get the drugs for what I paid. https://www.universaldrugstore.com/pet-search.aspx is the place but I don't even see Bravecto as being available at this time.
It's been two weeks now and Bella still seems fine. As an added bonus it seems the black flies and mosquitoes are leaving her alone too which is great considering how thick they are this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Cheers
I was in Kemptville two weekends ago for the father in-laws memorial chicken barbecue and forgot about how bad the black flies can get. Holy cr#p they just about carried me away ! Good to hear that Bella is doing well. Cheers to you as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
One thing I noticed is that Bravecto is basically the same price regardless of dose. If you buy the 1000mg blue tablets you get 4 times as much as the orange tabs for 1.5$ more. I am surprised more people are not just dividing the tablets. The tabs have no special coatings or anything I can see, they are just meaty-looking chews. My dog loved them.
I knew they were at their worst this year:
http://www.lfpress.com/2017/03/26/gr...ns-about-ticks
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/05/05/ha...e-out-in-force
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Londo...hrome&ie=UTF-8
Interesting recipe for a cedar oil repellent in that link .