Not sure what to make of this ? According to OFAH it will increase prices and guns will now effectively have two serial numbers.
https://www.ofah.org/firearms/recomm...king-protocol/
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Not sure what to make of this ? According to OFAH it will increase prices and guns will now effectively have two serial numbers.
https://www.ofah.org/firearms/recomm...king-protocol/
Been worrying about this UN ruling for years. It will accomplish the same thing as the LGR but cost us more. All we need is a federal government that will refuse to let the UN make our laws.
What it will actually cost is an open question.
The CSAAA tells us it will cost $200 / gun and drive importers out of business. The Conservative government of Stephen Harper estimated a cost of $21 / gun. And IRunGuns, which is Arizona-based, is offering to mark guns exported to Canada at a cost of $25 per gun, a service on which they surely intend to make a profit. So indications are that it is not going to be as expensive as the CSAAA would have us believe.
The regulation does not require the gun to have a second serial number added. Nor does it require any registration or tracking of the gun other than in the importer's inventory.
On the other hand I think the OFAH is absolutely correct with respect to guns coming in from the States: the controls already in place between the US and Canada would satisfy the intent of the agreement, if not the letter. This is a lot less clear when it comes to guns coming in from elsewhere, though.
Actually,it has nothing to do with any "registry" and can't be compared to the old LGR. It applies to new firearms entering the country through importation. With all firearms having a serial number,it defies imagination how an extra set of numbers will make any difference,whatsoever. This is just more Liberal-leftist bureaucratic bullshyte which will,typically,accomplish nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by patvetzal
On the thread title, here is a related news article. Not much news except emphatic statements that there is no long-gun registry coming.
http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/04/03/...ackdoor/101657
"The OFAH supports the basic principle behind the protocol, but does not believe that the firearms marking system as proposed is necessary to accomplish the end goal."
Why, why would the OFAH support anything to do with the UN telling Canada what to do ???
The UN didn't tell Canada what to do. Canada signed on to a voluntary protocol.
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This could be real problem for some sectors. Take pellet pistols for example that retail for many times less than $100. To add that much cost could to these items could really cut sales. My understanding is all that will get engraved is country of destination and year so it would have a CA2017 engraved "sometimes beside an actual serial#" which begs the question as to how this will protect society? It's nothing but an obstruction intended to harass gun owners and make them buy less guns. Trudough would be all over that.
Not sure what this UN marking scheme will actually accomplish , I remember Harper kept putting it off saying that it was not necessary but I guess the Government of the day is going to follow through with it. As the UN is quickly becoming irrelevant and full of corruption I guess they need to find new ways to make themselves important again.
Corruption and irrelevance. Yup sounds like a Trudough initiative.
Contrary to claims that this affects all kinds of pellet guns, this affects only firearms as defined in Canadian law, so this is probably a non-issue. And remember, it was the Harper government that estimated the cost per gun at $21, which is comparable to the real-world pricing of this service at $25 by IRunGuns.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
The goal is to enable guns used in conflicts to be tracked back to their origin. So if I import a bunch of SKS rifles, for example, and then sell them to someone who ships them out of the country in crates marked "tractor parts" to buyers in some little brushfire war, it will be possible to trace those back to the known legal importer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
The problem facing people trying to choke off supply to people who send child soldiers into battle in Mali, for example, is that recovering a rifle in Mali and taking its serial number often leads nowhere useful. In reality, the regulations won't aid those investigators much, because (a) Canada is not known to be a big transshipment point for guns, (b) many weapons are already in circulation, and (c) many weapons come from known bad actors who won't comply with the protocol. But Canada and others sign onto these measures as much to show where the guns aren't coming from as anything else, and to put pressure on the bad actors.
Obviously, these regulations do not apply to a wide range of guns, such as break-action shotguns, single-shot rifles, target rifles, target pistols, and so forth, which would not be used in conflicts. But rather than leaving potential loopholes open, the regulations include everything.
So it really accomplishes nothing that will prevent these arms from falling into nefarious hands but after crimes and atrocities are committed they can trace them back and find out they were imported into Canada By so and so importer. Sounds Brilliant to me.
Just start making guns in Canada again, open up the Cooey plant again and every Canadian that buys them will not have to worry about this tax. The cost is only on importing of firearms so anything already here or being made here will not be part of this cost.
Why bother. Is it really worth it. There are other options but may limit the game you're interested in.
It's not a tax, Fox. The money goes to the importer and covers his cost, plus markup. None of that money goes to the government.
Another part of the regulation imposes marking requirements on Canadian manufacturers, by the way.
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HAH! Nothing like an extra set of serial numbers to really nail it all down,eh,as if the first set isn't good enough? That's like having a gun registry for the gun registry....you know....in case the first one doesn't work? Only Liberals could think this is a good idea.LOL:rolleye:Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
The regulation does not require a second serial number.
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You sure about that? Everyone has to get their cut out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
There is no provision for the govt to collect money, per the regulation.
The fee the importer tacks on would of course be GST taxable....
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You have to apply tax to anything you do in Canada, so it would be 13% on the cost of marking the firearm.
Serial numbers of firearms coming into and going out of Canada are already recorded, this will not help the UN. How many hunting and sport firearms in Canada make it to wars? If you even said one I would be surprised, we have firearms smuggled into Canada every day to go to the streets. No one is smuggling firearms out to go to wars.
I can't believe it,but,the Liberals are actually deferring this,again,to Dec 2018. Even they're recognizing how utterly ridiculous the plan is. Credit where credit's due,as much as it pains me to give them credit for anything. Good for them.