Cheerios, Wheaties, Corn Flakes, Raisin Bran and more.

How many people and their children eat these cereals ?

Here is a link to an interesting and scary latest study on Roundup/Glyphosate.
Would you intentionally put drain cleaner on your food ?
As the article say's, "unsafe on any plate".

A Brief History of GlyphosateGlyphosate was Originally Patented toClean Pipes, Like Drano – 1964Glyphosate is the presumed active ingredientof Monsanto’s Roundup weedkiller and othercommercial glyphosate-based herbicideformulations. However, it was first patented in1964 by Stauffer Chemical Company in Westport,Connecticut as a chelator7, for removing unwantedmineral deposits from metal pipes like Drano.

Here's a link to an extensive study on glyphosate. It's a really long
read and I haven't gotten anywhere near through it yet. But, it didn't
make me very happy when I got to a list of foods that tested high in
the damned stuff. Just scroll down to page 5 and you'll see that one
of my favourite cold cereals, Cheerios is top of the list.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.foodd...port_p2016.pdf

:sad: I love cornflakes!

Plus the GMO of the wheat/corn/rice/etc.

It is more and more difficult to eat anything without the added pesticides, herbicides, defoliates, antibiotics and growth hormones.

Bran flakes = drain cleaner is a bit on the nose I guess?

Everything you eat is GMO, it is just how long it took to modify them.

So the herbicide has this in it, ok, how much of that is actually found in the food product at the end?

You wash your counters with toxic chemicals, they kill the things that will kill you and you wipe them off, nothing gets into your system.

Farmers are not trying to kill you.

Gotta have my raisin bran...... Hell John at our ages look back at what should have killed us by now .
Glen

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Gotta have my raisin bran...... Hell John at our ages look back at what should have killed us by now .
Glen

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Exactly ! Good grief.

In my job where at least three people die daily some where across North America. Daino at 1 part per million in my food does not make the list of things to worry about.

Try again..you got anything really worth worrying about? Cargo thieft, driver killed. Car full of kids under the trailer.

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Gotta have my raisin bran...... Hell John at our ages look back at what should have killed us by now .
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Hi Glen !
We are still living because our food was not contaminated with chemicals.
My parents , had 5 acres on which they grew most of the food we ate and I do not remember my father using any type of spray or fertilizer on our gardens , other than natural manure which came from the 200 chickens they raised every year, and the 4 pigs.

With all the chemicals being used now on our food stuffs, makes me wonder if future generations will live as long as some of us have now, I,m 75, and still internally healthy.

You have to wonder also now , why are young children developing so many allergies to foods that we ate with no problems , and why is there so much obesity now , when I was in school, there were hardly any " fat kids " around, look at what is happening now , most of them are fat.

Unnecessary chemicals in our food chain are a leading cause of allergies, illness's and obesity, many studies have been done on the subject and have proven this to be the problem, think about it why have the Gov. world wide and Health Organizations been successful in having many chemicals banned or having the amounts used being less and less .

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Everything you eat is GMO, it is just how long it took to modify them.

So the herbicide has this in it, ok, how much of that is actually found in the food product at the end?

You wash your counters with toxic chemicals, they kill the things that will kill you and you wipe them off, nothing gets into your system.

Farmers are not trying to kill you.

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We are not talking about GMO'D Foods, It is the use of killer chemicals,that is the issue.
GMO foods have been around for some time , it is the Genetic Modification of Genes, not using chemicals .

If you want to get in on the conversation, at least get on the right page or stay out!

" So the herbicide has this in it, ok, how much of that is actually found in the food product at the end? "
Actually quite a bit , read the article!

" Farmers are not trying to kill you "
No it is not the farmers that are to blame, it is the " BIG Chemical Co's " that are to blame all in the name of the BIG DOLLAR !
Monsanto, now Bayer, have been convincing farmers that they cannot grow crops without the use of their chemicals , which they claim are safe. Now after many years of research we are finding out that these chemicals are not safe and are winding up in our foods from the crops that are grown to the meats we eat because the animals are being fed food which has been grown using these dangerous chemicals .

No it is not the farmers to blame , but put the blame on the chemical co's that have been brainwashing the farmers into using their chemicals .
Slowly there are many farmers, if you do any reading into the subject , that are getting away from using chemicals and are growing healthier foods, it takes more work but we will all benefit from these farmers that are saying no to the use of dangerous chemicals .

And this one ,You wash your counters with toxic chemicals, they kill the things that will kill you and you wipe them off, nothing gets into your system.
????:rolleye: , where do you get these gems?

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In my job where at least three people die daily some where across North America. Daino at 1 part per million in my food does not make the list of things to worry about.

Try again..you got anything really worth worrying about? Cargo thieft, driver killed. Car full of kids under the trailer.

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In my job as a Fire Fighter, I saw too many of those and more , suicides of all sorts [gruesome ] burned to death etc. , most likely more than you have.
But does that mean that we should die of needles chemical accumulation in our bodies just to make some one very rich? ie. the Big Chemical Co.'s

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In my job as a Fire Fighter, I saw too many of those and more , suicides of all sorts [gruesome ] burned to death etc. , most likely more than you have.
But does that mean that we should die of needles chemical accumulation in our bodies just to make some one very rich? ie. the Big Chemical Co.'s

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common sense needs to be used by both sides of the debate.

Look at the vaccine debate. Some people scream about vaccines with less then a couple parts per million of an ORGANIC mercury which the body can remove because it is organic, but the very same people will feed their kids tuna with a few micrograms that build up in the body to milligrams of NON-organic mercury which the body can NOT remove.

Draino? I don't eat that much dried cereals but I see nothing wrong with having the pipes cleaned out every once in a while.

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In my job as a Fire Fighter, I saw too many of those and more , suicides of all sorts [gruesome ] burned to death etc. , most likely more than you have.
But does that mean that we should die of needles chemical accumulation in our bodies just to make some one very rich? ie. the Big Chemical Co.'s

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Well you were in the wrong line of work being a fire fighter will all the chemicals you would have breathed in over the years. The cancer death rate in fire fighters is very high and many if not most fire fighters have known this for decades. You must of knew the hazards of this career choice but yet you continued on in this career breathing in all kinds harmful cancer causing chemicals.

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Well you were in the wrong line of work being a fire fighter will all the chemicals you would have breathed in over the years. The cancer death rate in fire fighters is very high and many if not most fire fighters have known this for decades. You must of knew the hazards of this career choice but yet you continued on in this career breathing in all kinds harmful cancer causing chemicals.

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That may have happened in the old days.
But , I guess that you are not aware that in this day and age, we are well trained in the dangers of chemicals, and that is why we all wore our "protective breathing apparatus " , and some of us are still living because we used it with diligence.

" diligence is the necessary amount of diligence required in a professional activity to avoid being negligent "

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Well you were in the wrong line of work being a fire fighter will all the chemicals you would have breathed in over the years. The cancer death rate in fire fighters is very high and many if not most fire fighters have known this for decades. You must of knew the hazards of this career choice but yet you continued on in this career breathing in all kinds harmful cancer causing chemicals.

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My line of work/career I chose because I wanted to help people, and we had and used protective breathing apparatus.

When it comes to the food I eat, I do not want dangerous chemicals in it just to make some one very rich ie. Big Chemical Co's. , chemicals that accumulate in our systems and cause many serious sickness's from allergies to death, is that hard to understand?

Would you knowingly take arsenic ? which accumulates in your body and eventually causes death, yet arsenic does have other uses,

Arsenic is a well-known poison. Arsenic compounds are sometimes used as rat poisons and insecticides but their use is strictly controlled.

Arsenic is used as a doping agent in semiconductors (gallium arsenide) for solid-state devices. It is also used in bronzing, pyrotechnics and for hardening shot.

Arsenic compounds can be used to make special glass and preserve wood.

I know and work with many fire fighters and it still is a high risk even with all the safety equipment. The conversations I have had with fire fighters are still more likely to get specific types types of cancer related to there job , more than your average person eating a bowl of cheerios, wheaties, cornflakes etc.

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I know and work with many fire fighters and it still is a high risk even with all the safety equipment. The conversations I have had with fire fighters are still more likely to get specific types types of cancer related to there job , more than your average person eating a bowl of cheerios, wheaties, cornflakes etc.

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Unfortunately , I can't find statistics for Canada, but in the U.S. Firefighters do not even make the list of the Top Ten most dangerous jobs , link; https://careers.financesonline.com/t...y-career-path/

You mention cancer constantly related to firefighting, smoking cigarettes gives you cancer, [do you smoke ?]friend of ours died of lung cancer due to sprays used in their apple orchard [ because consumers want blemish free nice looking apples] I ate many apples with maggots, because my father did not spray , we ate strawberrys , cherries, plums, currents, goose berries, raspberries right off the plants, it didn't harm any of us because as I said dad did not spray [very few sprays were available in those days].
Cancers of different types somehow develop in people that are not connected in any way in firefighting, so that arguement you can throw out wherever it pleases you

The food we eat, a necessity for survival [living], that I/we buy should not contain dangerous chemicals that accumulate in our bodies to cause allergies and illness [ just for the sake of the all mighty dollar in MR. Big Chemicals Pocket ]

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Unfortunately , I can't find statistics for Canada, but in the U.S. Firefighters do not even make the list of the Top Ten most dangerous jobs , link; https://careers.financesonline.com/t...y-career-path/

You mention cancer constantly related to firefighting, smoking cigarettes gives you cancer, [do you smoke ?]friend of ours died of lung cancer due to sprays used in their apple orchard [ because consumers want blemish free nice looking apples] I ate many apples with maggots, because my father did not spray , we ate strawberrys , cherries, plums, currents, goose berries, raspberries right off the plants, it didn't harm any of us because as I said dad did not spray [very few sprays were available in those days].
Cancers of different types somehow develop in people that are not connected in any way in firefighting, so that arguement you can throw out wherever it pleases you

The food we eat, a necessity for survival [living], that I/we buy should not contain dangerous chemicals that accumulate in our bodies to cause allergies and illness [ just for the sake of the all mighty dollar in MR. Big Chemicals Pocket ]

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I sprayed chemical pesticides/herbicides as a nursery/greenhouse grower , vegetable crop grower etc on and off for the last 35 years. I do not smoke , have eaten all those cereals you mentioned for most of my life and I am an advocate of many the chemicals currently banned in Ontario. However I have personally witnessed the older generation of farmers for example misuse herbicides/pesticides while mixing, applying these chemicals over the last 40 years and cause a variety of illnesses(death) including cancer. I still see farmers spraying chemicals in the worst weather conditions with no personal protective equipment.

I also know a few apple orchard growers and farmers that have been spraying chemicals for years taking all the necessary safety precautions that have lived well into there eighties as healthy as a horse. Do I believe some chemicals should be banned, absolutely. For the first have of my career I was heavily involved in all aspects of horticulture(including turf) , greenhouse crops and farming using a variety of chemicals to serve a purpose. Most of the industry take an IPM approach because it is too costly to use these chemicals on there food crops and would rather not fork out large sums of money when it's not necessary. Today's agriculture/horticulture , farmer land owners are scientist, ecologist, conservationist as well as business men and women who take great pride providing safe food for everyone to eat. The rise in seasonal allergies has also increased due to allergy causing weeds that are no longer being sprayed in cities. I know many people in my place of work who never use to have seasonal allergies and now have allergies for the first time. These allergies began to surface the same year the pesticide ban came into place. Hmm kinda of strange don't you think ? And doctors are well aware of this.

We live in a society surrounded by chemicals in our homes and in the work place. The air we breath is contaminated with low amounts of VOC' s(off gassing) given off by office furniture, paint on our walls, flooring, photo copiers, carpet, chair & coach fabric, paneling on our walls, varnish, wood stain etc. Plastic bottles we drink out of as well lunch containers we heat in the microwave and then ingest. All cancer causing as well as a variety of other illnesses that can be caused.

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common sense needs to be used by both sides of the debate.

Look at the vaccine debate. Some people scream about vaccines with less then a couple parts per million of an ORGANIC mercury which the body can remove because it is organic, but the very same people will feed their kids tuna with a few micrograms that build up in the body to milligrams of NON-organic mercury which the body can NOT remove.

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Not trying to start an argument, however I strongly believe organic mercury accumulates, especially in the food chain AND inorganic mercury can turn into an organic compound like methylmercury, which accumulates.

So it would seem that all mercury exposure has a real potential to accumulate in the human body.

Disclaimer.....I am rusty on my Univ. A&P, Zoology and Chemistry so........

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I sprayed chemical pesticides/herbicides as a nursery/greenhouse grower , vegetable crop grower etc on and off for the last 35 years.

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Well, now we know!

Now you know !

There seems to be an echo on this thread !

It's from the Scott Air Pac mask........I used to hate hearing that little ringing bell, always gave me a start....ESPECIALLY when already inside a fully encapsulated chem suit.

Where is my pocket knife.........

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Plus the GMO of the wheat/corn/rice/etc.

It is more and more difficult to eat anything without the added pesticides, herbicides, defoliates, antibiotics and growth hormones.

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There is no GMO wheat, oats or rice grown anywhere in the world yet.


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A GMO rice with high vitamin A levels designed to prevent blindness in third world countries where a lack of vitamin A causes blindness was never released because of foolish opposition> There is a risk benefit here... a rice with high vitamin A would prevent a lot of blindness in some third world countries... and there is no known risk to feeding it. I would rather feed that rice to my children than have them blind.
There is a risk benefit to using a gun to kill a turkey or deer. I get to have fun put food in my freezer and I might accidently get hurt from a firearm.
There is a risk benefit to driving my car... I could get killed but I do not have to walk... I also cause a bit of pollution. I like my car, I like my gun and I would feed that rice if I lived a poor country with low vitamin A availability .

Of the three things above the riskiest thing might be driving my car

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Not trying to start an argument, however I strongly believe organic mercury accumulates, especially in the food chain AND inorganic mercury can turn into an organic compound like methylmercury, which accumulates.

So it would seem that all mercury exposure has a real potential to accumulate in the human body.

Disclaimer.....I am rusty on my Univ. A&P, Zoology and Chemistry so........

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Yes they BOTH can build up from exposure, but organic mercury levels can be reduced by the body if and when exposure is removed.

Best to avoid excessive exposure to start with, but what defines excessive? 10 micrograms a month? Or 10 milligrams a month?

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There is no GMO wheat, oats or rice grown anywhere in the world yet.


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A GMO rice with high vitamin A levels designed to prevent blindness in third world countries where a lack of vitamin A causes blindness was never released because of foolish opposition> There is a risk benefit here... a rice with high vitamin A would prevent a lot of blindness in some third world countries... and there is no known risk to feeding it. I would rather feed that rice to my children than have them blind.
There is a risk benefit to using a gun to kill a turkey or deer. I get to have fun put food in my freezer and I might accidently get hurt from a firearm.
There is a risk benefit to driving my car... I could get killed but I do not have to walk... I also cause a bit of pollution. I like my car, I like my gun and I would feed that rice if I lived a poor country with low vitamin A availability .

Of the three things above the riskiest thing might be driving my car

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Not exactly correct, I believe you mean GMO wheat hasn't been approved by the United States USDA. It (GMO wheat) does exist, along with GMO "Golden Rice" since the late 1980s(which is the rice you referenced, I think, and if uncontrolled what keeps it from cross pollination and then mutation into a different strain of wheat? Or to prevent other non compliant USDA use?

If you wish to provide GMO foods to your family that should be your choice, however many consumers don't wish to consume GMO products and that should be their choice.

Besides, you as a farmer likely care not from where your grain profits come from, whether Non GMO or from GMO. In fact that actually broadens and diversifies your crops AND your $/acre margin.

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Not exactly correct, I believe you mean GMO wheat hasn't been approved by the United States USDA. It (GMO wheat) does exist, along with GMO "Golden Rice" since the late 1980s(which is the rice you referenced, I think, and if uncontrolled what keeps it from cross pollination and then mutation into a different strain of wheat? Or to prevent other non compliant USDA use?

If you wish to provide GMO foods to your family that should be your choice, however many consumers don't wish to consume GMO products and that should be their choice.

Besides, you as a farmer likely care not from where your grain profits come from, whether Non GMO or from GMO. In fact that actually broadens and diversifies your crops AND your $/acre margin.

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There is no commercially available GMO oats wheat or rice used anywhere in the world
As a farmer I want to make a living and be a good steward of the environment and produce good healthy food.
I think GMO food is safe but if the consumer does not want it I will not produce it. Demand will control what is produced.

The consumer demands sugar salt processed foods causing heart disease diabetes obesity. All more harmful that GMO food. The consumer eats too much food which is way worse than any poorly documented harm from GMO food.

GMO corn containing the BT gene controls corn borer eliminating the need for insecticides. The BT bacteria is sprayed on organic food to control insects so that is ok because it is a natural control. But it is not ok when it is put in a corn plant. Is that logical.


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Genetically Modified Foods,

Genetically modified foods or GM foods, also known as genetically engineered foods or bioengineered foods, are foods produced from organisms that have had changes introduced into their DNA using the methods of genetic engineering. Genetic engineering techniques allow for the introduction of new traits as well as greater control over traits than previous methods such as selective breeding and mutation breeding.[1]

The above is done , using no dangerous chemicals.



The difference between GMO'D foods and chemically treated is like the difference in day and night, we have been eating GMO foods for a long time .

It is the chemically treated foods or the addition of dangerous chemicals to or into our food that I have been referring to all this time in my posts