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I put a Vortex AR red dot on top of a Benelli R1, 300 win mag, I have looked at the Point Blank tables for the bullets I will be using (180 grain). The charts say my near PBR is @27yards, and my far PBR is @200yards for a deer sized kill zone. I don't expect any shots farther than 100 yards, and I realize the moose kill zone is bigger, I just like making the calculations using a smaller target size to control one of the variables a little better. Am I on the right track with this?
Aim big,miss big, Aim small,miss small was the adage shooting instructors at Police college drummed into our heads. If you can take out a button @ 100M,you might miss by an inch or two,but,still hit the target. If you can only hit the target board @100M,you will send a bullet into the next township if you miss. Practice pinpoint accuracy and accept nothing less,especially,if your target @100M is as small as a Whitetail. If you can hit it @100M,a Moose at @ 100M is a walk in the park.
Benelli R1 is a nice rifle. Not sure about the AR red dot on a 300wm though. I tried one on mine and after a couple of shots it was out of whack. I don't think they're designed for the 300wm recoil. Presently I use a Leupold VX-R 2x7. I have a Leopold VX-R 1.25x4 which Ive also tried on the WM and it was an awesome scope. You may want to look at better optics for pinpoint accuracy. Pretty much any rifle shoots straight and with the right ammo it'll shoot straighter. Where you see your investment pay off is with the optics. Leupold, Burris and Nikon all make great scopes that fit your need.
Trimmer; that is what I was thinking with the aim for smaller kill zone than needed for moose.
mr Boiler; I was told the red dot can work on a shotgun, so, I assumed it would be good on the rifle. I will take the gun to the sandpit, and run a couple magazines through it. If the little sucker can't hold up, I still have time to switch it out to a scope, I like the sound of the 1.25--4.
Thank you guys
If you're hunting moose, go to a 2-7 or 3-9 power scope.
300 Win mag is a long range caliber.Generally ppl use this cal to reach out-larger clear cuts or across water bodies.Both the red dot and any low power scope on a gun with this caliber is negating the caliber's capabilities.As Jim said,go with 2-7 or 3-9 QUALITY scope.Latter is a better choice for longer shots-of course practicing with a 300 win mag is much recommended to use all the advantages of this caliber.
gbk and Jim both make good suggestions. I have a 2-7 on my 300wm. the lower power of 2 I can still get quick target acquisition. It isn't overwhelming if the animal is as close as 50 yards. Ive used it out to 275 yards once at 7 but that was pushing it for me. Didn't take the shot because I hadn't really practised at that distance. 3-9 Im not a big fan of. 4-12 for longer ranges of over 250 yards but in Ontario thats pretty rare for the areas Ive hunted for moose.
Regarding the red dot, if it works for a shotgun and handles its "thump" Im sure it would be Ok for the 300wm. But those are two very different guns. The 300 is as mentioned a long range rifle while the shotgun isn't.
Dump the red dot and get a proper scope. 300 wimmag is a pinpoint round, especially in a good quality rifle like you have. If you dont plan on hunting out past 100 yards, get a fix powered 4x scope, it has a great field of view and very fast target acquisition. Depending on what ammo you use it would be a fairly decent option out to past 200 yards without much bullet drop. Not making any assumptions here but my old man loves the fixed power scope, makes sighting the target quick and easy. All of this is just my opinion, take it with a grain of salt. I personally shoot a 300 winmag and do so for the long range hunting I do. I started my moose hunting career with a 303 British that has put down more moose for me than my .300. 90% of the moose I have harvested have been sub 100 yards, low power scopes did wonders to make that possible.Quote:
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Great suggestions above. 2-7, 3-9 and good light gathering characteristics would be a fantastic combo.
In my mind I'd scope it and get used to expanding your distance a bit.
Your value for MPBR seams odd to me for that caliber although I must admit I don't look at MPBR a lot rather bullet drop and energy values instead. Honestly with that gun and bullet I would zero at 200.
Since you never know if Bullwinkle will step out on the other side of a pond, you may want to get comfy to 300 meters or to whatever max range you can encounter in your hunting area.
Even a decent 1-4, 1.5-5 will easily get you out past 300yds on big game targets. A larger scope will really start to negate the handling and balance of your rifle as well.
X2. It's important to match the scope with the rifle as closely as possible. If not,the rig will be very cumbersome and difficult to handle.Quote:
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