Owning a Hunting property YES or NO ?
What is your toughts
Or just go camp on Crown Land ......?
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Owning a Hunting property YES or NO ?
What is your toughts
Or just go camp on Crown Land ......?
If you can buy it us the way to go.
But trespasser will have it for free.....
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Originally Posted by dutchhunter
So why even ask then??
Cheers
Yes it is worth it. Trespassers can be dealt with and Crown land doesn't stop encroachers/trespassers anyway.
I wouldn't unless I lived on the property. It would drive me nuts watching game camera picks of trespassers. Even if you live on it and post it there are no guarantees you can keep them out without going to war. I have permission on several properties and it's a constant battle.
I prefer crown land, I'm cheap and buying land would mean I'm paying a lot for that meal. I do won 20 acres of land in NS I'm not there so not much I can do about it. Years ago we put up a new gate and some towed it right out with atv's. I love camping and hunting on crown and have never had an issue of anyone encroaching on my hunting spots.
Its like a swimming pool or cottage....better when someone else owns it but you get to use it.....
Land for investment purposes is a good idea, using it for hunting is a good way to wait for it to go up in value though :)
Depending on where it is this may or may not be true. As long as you pay a fair price it is not lost money as you can always sell and get your capital back out. As a general rule I won't borrow money to buy land. The exception to this being if I have the liquid assets somewhere than I may borrow if rates are cheap and my liquid assets are earning more money than the loan/mortgage costs. That way if the rates are high when renewal time comes around you can opt to pay off the mortgage/loan.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
It also depends on what you are targeting. If you only hunt moose/bear and upland than I would stick with crown and camp. For deer and turkey though having land in a good WMU that you can actively manage and improve is rewarding and helps pass the time in the off season. You can also take your time and make it pretty comfortable even if it is off the grid.
My brother-in-law and I own property on the Saugeen river (WMU 82a) that is off the grid. We have a comfortable 16x20 cabin that has wood heat, solar panels and a windmill that provides power and running cold water via a dug well. Our neighbours on both sides have permission to walk their dogs on the property and in return they watch for trespassers. Oct 01 to Dec 31 they know to avoid the place. In 7 years we have only had one instance of trespassing that we know of.
.......thats cause Ive been paying them off for the last 6 years ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
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It is the only way to actually make sure you have a spot to hunt.
I know a number of people who complain about all the work they put into private land only to have the land owner pull permission for one reason or another, if you really want to make sure you can hunt an area and nobody can say no to you then go buy some land well away from the city and hunt it.
If you are talking about buying land up north in crownlandville, then no its not worth it. But if your talking about buying land in the south and you can afford it then yes very good idea.
Very thoughtful reply. What would you say a fair price for land? (where you know it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
I have asked myself this question for several years now. If you can use it year round as a cottage and take several different species. And it is not more than 4hours away, so can use on weekends. Oh and lets not forget the other half, if they want to be there and use it, then YES, it is worth it. Otherwise just get permission and hunt on other peoples property, but these shouldn't be a free ride either, make sure you bring the owner a good gift or something. I have only found one property that fits the bill for me, but can't justify the $500K or more to do what I mentioned above. Good Luck
Then do not complain if there are other people showing up, we used to be given crap by guys who "hunted this land for 50 years" I really do not care how long you have been hunting there, Crown land is Crown land, it is public and anyone hunting on it needs to be courteous of all of the others who use it, be they hikers, hunters, ATV riders, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishhawk
In 82a where our property is you could probably find a 50-100 acre parcel with no improvements for +/- 200k. Water frontage or good ag soil will drive the price higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by vom Dufenshmirtz
I've always opted for hunting on Crown land that's less than three hours away,taking some overnight gear and making a couple of days of it simply because I enjoy the freedom to go wherever I want,not needing to answer to anyone. I'm not knocking buying private land to hunt if it's large enough (keyword:large),but,in my experience,it can be a real PITA if it's the southern part of Ontario. It's easier to knock on doors for permission.
The biggest saying in Oxford County the last few years is.
Money grows in rows.
Wish I could have bought ten farms a few years ago. Thy have triple in price the last 10 years. If you can buy a farm with bush and good land you can rent out for crops you will never loose
Buy the land with bush on it, clear the land and sell the logs/firewood, make back all of your investment and tile it/plant it and pay nothing to taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
Another example of people with money being able to get a lot more money quickly and those without money not being able to get by.
We see bush turn into farm land all the time, I know a few places where they flattened 500 acres, not even a sapling left, sell what they can and burn the rest.
Sad really, that is why our upland game are hurting.
I bought three parcels of land when I arrived in eastern Ontario 7 years, 2 fifty acre plots and one one hundred acre plot. I love being able to transform those pieces of land into hunting paradises. Yup occasionally I battle trespassers who enjoy my hard earned land management by camping on the fence line come hunting season, but for the most part it is very rewarding to work on your own land for game improvement. At the end of the day I agree with the above it is an investment and at least in my area continues to go up in value as a bonus.
how much does farmland lease for crops in your area?Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
What are your long term ambitions?
I originally focused on hunting, but for years I have wanted a simple life like farming and to get away from my crazy job.
The property swiftly evolved to a place of mental health refuge. Spending a day clearing brush, maintaining the trails, planting trees or just walking the dog is something far greater than just shooting a deer. It is worth a bottle of Prozac to go out there and do some real man-work for a day.
Because it is fairly close to home I have the option of other projects to make the land productive and used all year long.
Maple syrup late winter
Food plotting for deer spring summer fall
Food/veggie gardens spring summer fall
Free range chickens summer fall
Fire wood cut fall and winter
A quiet place to hike for peace and exercise all year
Expand your ambitions and the land will have value for you all year long
I picked up some land last year after years of hunting other peoples properties and crown. I can say its been an amazing experience.
I've come to learn so much more about deer, bear and other animals in the process in an effort to improve the land. If you can afford it, I say 100% own. As for trespassers, nothing yet but it's pretty secluded and not the most obvious access. I did put a trail cam right at the entrance just in case, high up so if someone does come by i will have a pic.
Like Johny said, it has actually become something other than a hunting property. Being able to go somewhere somewhat off the grid and just breath in the fresh air and disconnect for a day or two has been a pleasant surprise.
Lots of work but still an amazing experience so far.
Bep
Nice post. Thats exactly what I want.Quote:
Originally Posted by johny
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Buy land for $10,000 acreQuote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
Rent to farmer for $100/acre
Pays for itself in a mere 100 years. :D
Although, I have neighbours who rent for $50/acre, so it could take 200 years.
Some farms in north Oxford $350.00 per ac. For rent. I've personally witnessed a deal go down for 425. Crazy. 75 ac Farm sold across the Rd from me last spring for 27500$ per ac.
Some of the responses are interesting. It all comes down to what you want for a "hunting property".
Buying farmland in SW Ont? Probably a non-starter.
Buying a chunk of bush a little closer to Gods country? Definitely do-able.
I've bought and sold 7 bush lot properties since 2000. Many of which were further North, in unorganized townships. Typically bought a chunk of bush with decent access to larger Crown parcels, built a cabin or two on the property, and sold them for a fair bit more than I had in sunk costs. Over the process, I've learned about the varying topography across this great province. Learned about the different habits of game animals, and thoroughly enjoyed the entire process.
Now owning a permanent cottage in a corner of the province that many folks don't think about, which is close to a ton of Crown, my next step is to start buying acreages, and start making them more "huntable".
Hunting land has it benefits for sure. It can also become a lot of work as well, depending on land use. I wished I spent as much time hunting as I did working at mine the last few years...
Own if you can.
I was extraordinarily lucky to be born into a family with a hunt camp and large piece of land to call our own. Even if we lose access to some of our neighboring properties, we still own enough to keep my entire extended family hunting. The camp means more to me then lumber, dirt, and trees, its the memories and experiences I have grown up with, and am now raising my family with.
We have deer, bears, moose, rabbits, grouse and ducks, with the odd turkey starting to appear. I coudnt be happier. My wife can run her dog after birds days on end and not have to deal with anyone else. I can sit on a deer watch and not have to worry about somebody bumbling his way through in front of me.
I was very fortunate to be able to buy a 100 acre hobby farm before I retired and was able to not only Hobby farm it, but the property is also excellent for recreational use. It has a large hunk of bush and an abundance of wildlife. I was able to built a nice shooting range on an old hay field and pursue my hunting activities in my own 'back 40'. The vast majority of deer I have shot over the past 20 yrs have been from a stand less than a ½ mile from my kitchen door.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
So yes living and hunting on the land you own is, as my buddy says, “living the dream” . :)
After reading thru the posts here I've seen a couple things you should think about:
I noticed that a lot of the encouraging comments I read here are from older guys who obviously have the time and money to enjoy owning a hunk of land dedicated for recreation use. My experience at the hunt camp is that most of the <45 crowd don’t have a lot of time or money. Few can even get off work to hunt for a full week let alone commit their weekends and holidays to develop ‘Gods Little Acre’.
It’s seems to be owning land for recreational pursuits is more inclined for those ‘later in life’ dreams unless you are lucky enough to ride on the coattails of family and friends when your young.
I also have to say, once you have owned a property for a while and you get to know the pulse of the land, it doesn't take long before you figure out where and when to hunt and the hunting becomes less difficult and success rates each year become easier to achieve. What that means is that hunting can be a fleeting moment, often taking only a single day to fill your tag. Both my ML deer and spring turkey seasons were over in less than an hour this year.
With that said, it might be hard to substantiate a financial commitment to own a piece of property, that you may only actually hunt on 1-2 days a year. Like owning a $20K boat or RV that you only use 3-4 times a year.
It might well be it would make far better sense to hunt crown land or get permission to hunt on someone’s property until you have the time and money to be able to do enjoy your own recreational property.
I'd love to hear more about the properties you've purchased, enjoyed, improved and then sold. That's an interesting storyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Well, without getting too sidetracked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lando
I started when I was 28. Looking through catalogues offered by some of the "Rural Land" companies. Most of which offer financing, which is often the hardest part of buying vacant land. Bought my first 5.5 acre parcel on Manitoulin Island.
Buying in "unorganized townships" often means that erecting a 16'x16' cabin isn't much of an issue. I also was working on several construction / renovation projects at the time, so there was often surplus construction materials which were available. ( My 1st cabin actually had a bunch of glass block windows).
It took some money, but more time. I averaged about 2 years or so with each property. The last one I had for around 4 years.
Basically if you drew a straight line East from Little Current on Manitoulin Is to the QC border, and then drew another one about 70-100km North that paralleled the original one, that was the area that I spent my time in. Lots of fun, lots of hard work, but totally worth it.
There are a number of 100ac bush plots within range of the gta around 100k.
I like the idea of going to target shoot on owned land.
If you can fund it, it works well, as long as you can use it.
Couple nice properties in the Bruce, another nice one Ki-moon area.
Look on Realtor.ca
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Our family had hunting property/ cabin in the Bruce ( Issac Lake) for 30+ years. ( fishing , deer hunts , target practice, rabbits, grouse etc..
Security is an issue when you are not there every day , but that can be solved more or less.
( I think the key is to have property that is not too far away from your home , so you can get there often.)
Thanks for that, I've heard similar stories about unorganized townships, and also horror stories about building in actual townships and then tearing it down. I love hearing about this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
The beauty of unorganized is that you can build, for the most part, whatever you want without the hindrance of permits, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lando
I would love something like you have someday! That's the life goal anyway, glad to hear you are "living the dream" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Right, still has to be to code. Also, septic assessment still may be required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Some unorganized townships don't have a fire service and the closest one can be 30+ minutes away. Can make it difficult to insure your cabin
Typically on a rec property, you can still have a "Class 1, sewage treatment" ( outhouse).Quote:
Originally Posted by vom Dufenshmirtz
....and that, of course is the price you pay. However, when one considers the fact that most organized townships will require a building with a minimum 700 sqFt, plus septic, plus, plus...Quote:
Originally Posted by STUBBLE BUM
Taking a little time to erect a cheap 16' x16' cabin, using re-purposed building materials, even if it burned, would still be far cheaper to do.
Heck of a lot more involved than first glance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
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Building permits are not issued in unorganized townships, as there is no municipal authority to do so. There are, however, unorganized townships that are subject to Minister's Zoning Orders or Zoning by-laws and therefore, "Letters of Conformity" or "Zoning Conformity Permits" would be required in these townships, prior to any development or construction taking place. Citizens owning properties in unincorporated areas should call the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing, Municipal Services Office, in their area for more information. The Ministry of Natural Resources may also need to be consulted with respect to permits required, as would the Ministry of Transportation if development is proposed on or near a highway. Septic system approvals would need to be obtained from the local health unit or conservation authority.
read more: http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page2103.aspxQuote:
The Building Code Act, 1992 is applicable to all lands, whether in municipalities or in unincorporated areas. This applies to all buildings, whether or not a permit has been issued or applied for, and also where a person is exempt from the requirement to obtain a permit (i.e. for the construction of buildings other than sewage system, in unorganized territory).
This the reason why I'm a big fan of portable camps on Crown land. When the hunt's over,knock it down and take it home or stack and wrap and leave it in place. It's a lot less hassle and ecologically sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Lots of BS to build a camp in many townships. If you purchase a land with a existing building, it's yours. What people are doing I have noticed is purchasing wooded properties, saying ta hell with permits. Banging up a small cabin and selling them before the town finds out. The new owner keeps cabin, old owner gets paid and moves on to another property to flip.
....which is kind of what I was doing for all those years. Although in the case of most of the townships, I did have a few emails as record, indicating that they had no issue with it, unless complaint was filed.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The longer I live the more this is true...there is no proactive enforcement to ensure the by-laws are followed, all it takes is one busy body :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
I was surprised it is also the policy of the MNR here...the guy in charge told me they are now 'reactive enforcement'..will only show up if there is a complaint.
I have a friend who bought some land that another land owner considered his for a number of years. You had to get on an ATV and drive about 5km back into the bush off the 2 track road you needed a 4x4 to get down just to get to the cabin location. These friends of mine knew what was coming, they submitted plans and got a permit, the inspector was a friend of theirs and when going in for the inspection asked them why they bothered with a permit so far back into the bush. 2 weeks later the inspector called them up and said that as expected a complaint was filed for illegal building, the guy who owns 5 acres on this 2 track road was trying to get them fined or have the cabin torn down, probably in retribution for buying land and telling him he was no longer allowed to trespass on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
You never know who may complain, this is why I checked my zoning before buying, just because the existing neighbour does not have a problem with it does not mean the next will not.
Case in point, $ 5000.00 deposit(refundable upon CBO sign off) 300+ permit, 87.50 each time inspector arrives.
All for a set of steps greater than 24" above grade while across the street a driveway, retaining wall, armor stone steps and a 6,000 dollar deck was built without permits and diagonally across from me, the same contractor installed driveway, retaining wall, and about a 15,000 dollar beck across the whole front of a house and @12 ft height.
Easy money to be made inside the town without the trouble of permits, etc. but getting caught can be problematic.
You can also "store" an old rv trailer or office trailer on the property. Day use only of course... (wink, wink).
No one is watching if you are there or not if you are in the middle of the Bush. If you are sufficiently discreet.
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Good luck with this. One of our camp neighbours had a trailer on his bush lot for barely a month before he was ordered to remove it, literally out in the middle of no where. It was well over 100m off the road not bothering anyone and yet someone trespassed to find it then called the town on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rimfire905
Does rural land go up much in value? I mean unless it's fairly close to a large town, I doubt you'll see much significant increaseQuote:
Originally Posted by fratri
Generally, rural timbered land goes up in board ft/year, thus $/year increase in value. It is a relatively small amount considering the lack of quality marketable timber on most properties. Most land I have looked at are relatively worthless as far as marketable timber, usually only potentially usable as pulp wood or cordwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splaker
Pastureland/cropland is slightly different but prices seemed to be geared towards developers rather than farmers and others. Cant make much by farming land bought from 3500-65000 per acre.
In the end the only real "appraisal" that counts is your own. Most realtors don't get that and try to sell people on "the timber alone will pay for the land" until you say "well then I'll buy it at your list price if you will contract to by the timber at your appraisal price." I'm still looking for my first taker.
I wish it was MPAC that set the real estate values ..LOL...
My 100 acres went from an assessed value of $325K to $480 K in 6 yrs ...primarily because a farm acreage assessments went from $2K to $12K /acre.
Are you registered as a farm? If not might be cheaper.
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Originally Posted by MikePal
If I understand it correctly.......the land has the same assessed value with MPCA....what differs is with the Townships mil rate for the tax equation for land usage (farm/residential). The tax rate for land registered for farming is significantly lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Complaint based enforcement... And I'm not talking 100m. I'm talking 80 acres into a 100acre plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
But yes. Always a chance of that...
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Most townships have become extremely anal when it comes to trailers of any type. They're slamming the "loopholes" shut tight. I have a friend that takes his trailer to his lot in Bruton township and leaves it hooked to his old truck. Cottage neighbors tried to get him in trouble,but,as long as it's hooked up,it becomes a legally parked vehicle on private property and there isn't anything they can do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
The distance is irrelevant. It wasnt visible from the road. And besides that it was at the end of seasonally maintained road, and we are his only neighbours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rimfire905
1st - Its not hurting anyone. Its not lowering property value (it was on the side of a swamp). Its not even visible. Its a private lot amongst thousands of acres of bush.
2nd - How in the bloody hell did anyone even find it (legally)? The township isnt doing aerial flights, I guarantee you that.
Owning a property is a good choice if you have the cash in hand, get a good deal and don,t mind working.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
There are some drawbacks if its a secondary property like Capital gains in the end.
But you will always have a hunting spot, that you can improve and have some privacy if you buy in the correct location.
Another plus is that you can pass along the land to your children or grandchildren.
Property always goes up in value and if you research what a 100 ac bush lot went for 20 years ago and now you will see what I mean.
Crown land is subject to all sorts of problems, you cannot build a permanent cabin,you cannot be sure day to day if you will be encroached upon.
If you only have a week or two a year to hunt and like camping out then that is ok.
Seems to me someone who he knew ratted him out. The unlikely hood someone stumbled across it seems quite unlikely. Kind of like building a new deck without permits. Most do it out here in the country but I do know a few people who won't because they know somebody might rat.
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Originally Posted by blasted_saber
I have been telling the old man now for years that he should give me his property since he isn't using it, but I'm still waiting. Actually he should just give me my inheritance all together what better in life to see your kids retired. :)
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
No need to trespass these days in almost all townships they have GIS mapping which is available on a click of a computer.Satellite photos and maps showing everything, down to the size of a fire pit.If they don,t have this then goggle mapping gives even better images.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
I,am pretty sure MPAC, Townships and their bye laws people go on these sites with regularity.
Good luck if they are relying on Google Earth. I put in several food plots at my camp 10+ years ago and the current (as of today) Google Earth images still don't show them. In fact the resolution is so poor you cannot even see a large (40x60) stone barn foundation that has been there for 80+ years. This is not a property that is way out in the boonies either. As the crow flies it is +/- 160 km from the CN tower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
The only images available that show the old barn are the digital images used to prepare the Ontario Base Maps.
Not true for every property I live in bush 2000sq foot house doesn't show 3 large wood sheds don't barn roof shows carport not showing have a wind mill doesn't showQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Have a 500 gallon white plastic water tank does not show
Sugar shack and all outdoor stainless sap tanks don't show
From google earth you would think my property was vacant bush
This is 2016 google earth
Mpac boundaries are a joke 300 ' or better off from actual survey lines
Might just be easier to camp at a campground up the road... Day use only..
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Originally Posted by Species8472
You need a gold mine close by.
Or any commercial interest of financial significance.
I've notice here in Northwest Ontario, there are broad stripes/bands of high resolution imaging.
They usually center over towns, mining and highways.
I think commercial interests buy/pay Google for resolution that they need but once created, Google gives away to everyone. Not sure exactly the business mechanism but judging from all the commercial interest centered on Google high resolution zones, I figure there has to be a connection
I have noticed that as well. I have a done a fair bit of work on the New Gold mine site NW of Fort Frances in your neck of the woods and noticed the Google Earth resolution in the project area is much higher resolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by johny
Lots of interesting posts since I was last on.
1. Most townships have a hate-on for trailers of any type. They're rarely built to code, and when they fail, they leave a pile of not organic detritus that eventually becomes a problem.
2. As indicated, a 16' x 16' cabin ( or thereabouts) can often be built on concrete blocks or rocks, and can also be argued that it can be disassembled and by definition is temporary.
3. Townships don't rely on overflight, or satellite images. Further to that, if you look at the areas that I referenced, not only are there tons of unorganized townships, but the satellite imagery is sketchy at best.
Not saying that everyone should do what I did, but it was a fun bunch of years playing around up in gods country.
Just drive north , hunt on crown land , save your money and nerves from trespassers...
Totally agree with you there heck even 3 hours from Ottawa when hunting I rarely run into other hunters.
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Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
If you have the money to buy some land I would in a heartbeat.
It all depends if you can afford a little change to put towards buying one rather than go freestyle
here's a link for properties for sale http://www.dignam.com/category/northern-ontario/
The problem is most people don,t save any money,they hunt Crown land for free but then spend on all the toys needed to be comfortable hunting Crown land.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
Buying land is an investment either in your future hunting or your offspring. I have made money on all land purchases so far, have no problems with trespassers and have privacy.When they shut off hunting in the Algonquin claims area which I believe is 1/8th the Province some of you guys will wake up and smell the coffee.
You need to educate yourself on what the actual land claim entails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
It is several parcels within the large boundary on the map, not the entire area.
as an owner of a duck and deer camps owning has had its benefits over the years. You have access when you want and you can leave property there. (stands blinds boats etc) as time goes through the hour glass and the kids get busy with life the chores become very demanding. Cleaning trails, firewood, baiting the pond etc. If you have genuine hunting friends that would actively participate in the upkeep of a camp it is fun and enjoyable otherwise you just became an outfitter. The costs are very manageable (taxes insurance etc) as the towns continue to sprawl in southern Ontario it has been a pleasure owning. The memories that have been had every fall are worth it.
I don,t need to educate myself on the area I have already done this, maybe YOU don,t understand the size of the area and implications for hunters presently using it,including Crown camps.If you think its "several parcels within the large boundary I say your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
You can say what you like. As discussed ad-nauseum in another thread. I've had legal consultation with a property lawyer, as well as a provincial court judge. I currently own property within the claim boundary. The boundary as presented was to outline the general area where the various parcels were. It is not ceding the entire area to FN, but rather a series of parcels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
For example. My property is in Frontenac County, here's the map actually showing what will is being ceded to FN. NOTE, THE ACTUAL LAND IS RED IN COLOUR.
http://www.algonquinlandclaim.ca/dow...nac_County.pdf
OK so you send me a copy of what affects YOUR area how about the rest of it.Educate yourself by reading this link from the OFAH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
http://www.algonquinlandclaim.ca/maps.php
Back to you "Bluebulldog" !;)
Good grief Gilroy. Where do you think that map was sourced from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
The only "Crown Land Hunt camps" and public lakes that are effected are any of those lying within any of the red marked areas. It's the same for every map across the claim.
The OFAHs original position on the land claim was very much a bit of fear mongering.
From the OFAH piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
"There are 200 parcels of Crown land ranging in size from a few acres to more than 30,000 acres that will no longer be available to the public."
These are the areas marked in red, on every map.
It isn't a wholesale granting of all the land outlined by the purple outline spanning several counties. Far from it.
Persons having interests within any of the marked areas have also received written notification of same.
I think I will stick with the OFAH and their fear mongering, after all we went from 200 original claimants to now 10,000. We have also had mention a much larger land claim and new Parks they want created and included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
So I will stick to my original advice, buy land for hunting if you can, because where you hunt now might be gone in the near future.
As much as I appreciate how they looked after white people when we arrived on this continent to survive and I believe they saved Canada from American Invaders and I think they have been very badly treated what with residential schools and so forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Some where along the line we are going to bankrupt ourselves if this all continues. I tuned into an old Steven Paikin show where one of the Chiefs stated that if
the land mass they want is not available, they need cash to make up the difference, that is over and above the 500 million already decided.They also will not be paying any taxes on a chunk of the land they are getting.Remember what is already agreed to for land mass is just a starting point.In the same show the Chief
also indicated it might take 2,5 or 30 years to achieve what they want.How much this cost is any body,s business.
It looks like I have paid for my own place and now will have to pay again for Crown land for fellow hunters to continue using after we compensate the Algonquins.
Not if you hunt the crown land between Algonquin Park and the Ottawa River from North Bay to Renfrew. Slowly we are being squeezed out by lack of tags and limited seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Which has nothing to do with the land claim. As crappy as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
Perhaps not directly but since the resource is being harvest first and foremost by FN which are included in the land claim, the nonFN hunters are faced with virtually no tags and a very short season. The two are linked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Getting back to the original question- if you find a property and can afford it-BUY IT- the population in Ontario is growing by leaps and bounds- you will never lose your money on that type of investment- bought 150 acres 10 years ago near Bruce county- manage it for deer -had it logged once, built a small cabin and hunt turkey's- yes you get the odd trespasser-poacher-once my cabin was broke into and some items were taken- but it is YOUR place- where a million wonderful memories can be made- with quality deer management- you learn so much and when you tag a big deer it is a real joy-- it is a labour of love- if you find a place that is in your price range buy it! even with fifty acres if you manage it properly plant bedding areas and cover - you can have great deer hunting or dredge a pond out and have great duck hunting etc- good luck!
As a outsider looking in - you can tell me to mind my own business but - it seems that the best thing would be to pay FN enough money to cover the land that would be given to them and don't give them any land - the way things are going now it seems like a mess and no body is going to be happy - especially those who enjoy Ontario's outdoors
The problem is, there will never be enough money and or enough land to give away free to ever satisfy....Why not pay them nothing and tell them to go beat their drum somewhere else, we've heard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
This brings up two things - first maybe it would have been better if they didn't help to keep the Americans from taking over Ontario - just think you guys could be yanks today with all the benefits - the other thing - we had treaties with the Indians years ago but kept breaking them - after all - treaties are made to be broken - kinda like a marriage and divorce