China is Our Enemy

You better believe it - China has just said that they will defend North Korea if the U.S. attacks first - that goes to show you what side they are on - the only option that the U. S. has may be to hit North Korea first so that the crazy guy with the funny hair cut doesn't continue to advance his nuclear arsenal - to use against the U.S. - we need to recognize that China is no friend of ours and we should stop trading with them all together - I'll do my best not to buy anything made in that country -

So nuke the world?

China is not your friend, North Korea is not your friend, Russia is not your friend, Germany is not your friend, etc.

Maybe it is not all of them that is the problem, maybe it is your problem, maybe you need to be more friendly and you might have a friend or two.

Which crazy guy with the funny haircut are you referring to--Trump or that other clown?

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Originally Posted by JoePa

we need to recognize that China is no friend of ours and we should stop trading with them all together

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You do realize that trade goes both ways and there is no way that any US companies manufacturing in the US can get by without the resources from China at the prices that they buy them from China.

You cannot buy anything that have not been touched by China, the US does not have the available resources for that, the best way to shoot yourself in the foot is to talk like you are talking.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

You better believe it - China has just said that they will defend North Korea if the U.S. attacks first - that goes to show you what side they are on - the only option that the U. S. has may be to hit North Korea first so that the crazy guy with the funny hair cut doesn't continue to advance his nuclear arsenal - to use against the U.S. - we need to recognize that China is no friend of ours and we should stop trading with them all together - I'll do my best not to buy anything made in that country -

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Wow.

Let's deconstruct your post shall we?

China has just said that they will defend North Korea if the U.S. attacks first
Of course China will defend N. Korea if the US attacks first. Wouldn't the US defend it's allies if they were the result of an attack? Didn't America's allies come to her defense in 2001? You are only telling half the story. China did say that it will defend N. Korea if it is attacked by the US but China also said if N. Korea decides to attack the US, N. Korea is on it's own against any reprisals which will come.

the only option that the U. S. has may be to hit North Korea first so that the crazy guy with the funny hair cut doesn't continue to advance his nuclear arsenal
Thank God you aren't in any position to start an armed conflict. There are more options than simply this one. Financial sanctions, diplomacy, or having China deal with their junkyard dog are three ways to deal with this problem. And as far as crazy guy with the hair cut, I wouldn't necessary point fingers because your crazy guy shouldn't be in charge of a Twitter account let alone in charge of the launch codes.

we need to recognize that China is no friend of ours and we should stop trading with them all together
China is looking out for their best interests. One of those interests is having a buffer between it and a US aligned/controlled country/area. However, it also realizes that if Crazy Leader decides to push too far, the world wouldn't look too kindly on China protecting Crazy Leader. As far as your "stop trading with them all together" comment, best of luck with that. Let's see how far your resolve goes when people start getting laid off because the parts or goods they rely on to do their job (either in manufacturing or retail) aren't coming in from China. Let's see how far you are willing to go to pay for more expensive items because you no longer have a cheap labour alternative for manufactured goods. For a country which is dependent on Walmart, I am going to forecast not too far.

You want to take your ball and go home like a spoiled brat because China won't let you do whatever you want. Six year old children understand you don't always get to do whatever you want and not everyone agrees with you all of the time. If you are ready to cut ties with a country because they don't always fall into step with you, you are going to have a lonely existence.

A likely course of events in the case of an attack on the US or it's Allies.

Kim launches missiles. US and it's Allies launch counter measures with hopefully great success. US and Allied forces begin to destroy N. Korea's Surface/Sub-surface fleet, and any Aircraft dumb enough to cross the shore line. China Anexes N. Korea. US and it's Allies DON'T object.

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Originally Posted by Fox

So nuke the world?

China is not your friend, North Korea is not your friend, Russia is not your friend, Germany is not your friend, etc.

Maybe it is not all of them that is the problem, maybe it is your problem, maybe you need to be more friendly and you might have a friend or two.

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China is not our friend because we resist their take over of Taiwan and because we steadily condemn their human right violations - North Korea is not our friend because we stopped them from taking over South Korea by force - Russia is not our friend because we stopped them from keeping eastern Europe - and as far as Germany I believe they are our friends - sure you will have counties that don't like you when you stand up for freedom and justice - you should know that

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Which crazy guy with the funny haircut are you referring to--Trump or that other clown?

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Ok = lets say the little fat guy with the funny haircut - how's that

So ok - let NK get nuclear weapons then Japan and South Korea will want them - then every country will want them - then guess what - pretty some just about every country will have nuclear weapons and there will be a much much greater chance of a nuclear war because some of these countries are run by crazy people - do you want some of those crazies over in the middle east to have nuclear weapons - financial sanctions, diplomacy have not worked - they have been tried for years - I say that you got to smash NK using conventional weapons - if they resort to nuclear weapons then we flatten their country - once and for all - we tell China that they had the chance to prevent this from happening but they chose not to - and if they don't like it the hell with them

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Ok = lets say the little fat guy with the funny haircut - how's that

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How tall is trump again?

wtg china.

Evil is so proud.

Hell even Trump relies on China for most of his named goods.
Although he states produce here he sure doesn't practice it for his personal businesses.
Your President in the USA at best is a 2 faced jerk.

I don't think anyone can possibly reason with Jong Un and any country, including a naïve Canada that thinks economic sanctions will work will find out just how wrong they are. Jong un is not unlike a Stalin. Crazy enough to kill off his own family because they believe they are a threat to their leadership.
I firmly believe a shooting war is inevitable regardless of the rhetoric from both sides. Trumps best ploy is to just shut his mouth until Jung makes the first aggressive move . Only then will the States get world wide support in any retaliation they decide on.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

Wow.

Let's deconstruct your post shall we?

China has just said that they will defend North Korea if the U.S. attacks first
Of course China will defend N. Korea if the US attacks first. Wouldn't the US defend it's allies if they were the result of an attack? Didn't America's allies come to her defense in 2001? You are only telling half the story. China did say that it will defend N. Korea if it is attacked by the US but China also said if N. Korea decides to attack the US, N. Korea is on it's own against any reprisals which will come.

the only option that the U. S. has may be to hit North Korea first so that the crazy guy with the funny hair cut doesn't continue to advance his nuclear arsenal
Thank God you aren't in any position to start an armed conflict. There are more options than simply this one. Financial sanctions, diplomacy, or having China deal with their junkyard dog are three ways to deal with this problem. And as far as crazy guy with the hair cut, I wouldn't necessary point fingers because your crazy guy shouldn't be in charge of a Twitter account let alone in charge of the launch codes.

we need to recognize that China is no friend of ours and we should stop trading with them all together
China is looking out for their best interests. One of those interests is having a buffer between it and a US aligned/controlled country/area. However, it also realizes that if Crazy Leader decides to push too far, the world wouldn't look too kindly on China protecting Crazy Leader. As far as your "stop trading with them all together" comment, best of luck with that. Let's see how far your resolve goes when people start getting laid off because the parts or goods they rely on to do their job (either in manufacturing or retail) aren't coming in from China. Let's see how far you are willing to go to pay for more expensive items because you no longer have a cheap labour alternative for manufactured goods. For a country which is dependent on Walmart, I am going to forecast not too far.

You want to take your ball and go home like a spoiled brat because China won't let you do whatever you want. Six year old children understand you don't always get to do whatever you want and not everyone agrees with you all of the time. If you are ready to cut ties with a country because they don't always fall into step with you, you are going to have a lonely existence.

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B-I-N-G-O!! That sums it up well.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

A likely course of events in the case of an attack on the US or it's Allies.

Kim launches missiles. US and it's Allies launch counter measures with hopefully great success. US and Allied forces begin to destroy N. Korea's Surface/Sub-surface fleet, and any Aircraft dumb enough to cross the shore line. China Anexes N. Korea. US and it's Allies DON'T object.

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The only problem with that is China won't just "annex" N.Korea. They won't stop until they hit the southern tip of S.Korea,too. Chinese philosophy won't allow for half measures. They backed the north Koreans in 1953 and that's why there's only been a cease-fire. Technically,the war still goes on in their minds. All it will take is Kim Jung Un to pull a pisser.

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

Hell even Trump relies on China for most of his named goods.
Although he states produce here he sure doesn't practice it for his personal businesses.
Your President in the USA at best is a 2 faced jerk.

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It's very ill-advised to get caught up in left wing,Liberal media rhetoric. They look like idiots with their credibility in the tank.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

It's very ill-advised to get caught up in left wing,Liberal media rhetoric. They look like idiots with their credibility in the tank.

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And what did I say that was correct?

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

Hell even Trump relies on China for most of his named goods.
Although he states produce here he sure doesn't practice it for his personal businesses.
Your President in the USA at best is a 2 faced jerk.

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Well I'll tell you something - I'll take him any day over that wimp you have up there - at least we have a man leading our country - not some tooth fairy

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

And what did I say that was correct?

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nothing!

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

The only problem with that is China won't just "annex" N.Korea. They won't stop until they hit the southern tip of S.Korea,too. Chinese philosophy won't allow for half measures. They backed the north Koreans in 1953 and that's why there's only been a cease-fire. Technically,the war still goes on in their minds. All it will take is Kim Jung Un to pull a pisser.

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China has no wish to destroy the economy of S. Korea or engage in a hot war with the US or any of the other 40 to 50 counties that are part of the still standing UN resolution to prevent the N. Korea from invading the south. N. Korea would still exist on the map, but there would be major changes. It would be more like a protectorate of China, same as Guam is to the US.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Well I'll tell you something - I'll take him any day over that wimp you have up there - at least we have a man leading our country - not some tooth fairy

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Hey Joe! don't you be knocking our wimp, he was a part time "drama teacher " dontcha know :ashamed:, and he likes his selfies with young girls and women, he likes to see his pretty face in pictures.:rolleye:

Yeah, and in addition, that's MR. immigrant loving, NATO dodging, money pizzing, psychedelic sock wearing wimp PM to you Joe......

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Hey Joe! don't you be knocking our wimp, he was a part time "drama teacher " dontcha know :ashamed:, and he likes his selfies with young girls and women, he likes to see his pretty face in pictures.:rolleye:

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Yea.....and you are giving the tooth fairy a bad rep !!!!!
You should have left out the "tooth" part !!

Rick, as a mod I'm supposed to find your 'fairy' comment a little tacky but as a member I think its hilarious and way too appropriate.

Kim Jung Un is like a little kid with a new toy hammer. He can't wait to whack something. Now,he wants to be the big kid on the block. Previous successive American administrations have continually used the politics of appeasement to placate the little pr**k,but,it never worked. He only kept up the rhetoric to squeeze as much as possible from the international community. Now,he finds himself dealing with an extreme hardliner that won't tolerate threats. I wish Trump would keep his mouth shut and just take care of business in case of any eventuality. Teddy Roosevelt's foreign policy of "Walk softly and carry a big stick" is definitely advantageous,but,obviously he'll do it his way. The whole thing will go BANG,very shortly and we're smack dab in the line of fire. We better learn to duck.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Rick, as a mod I'm supposed to find your 'fairy' comment a little tacky but as a member I think its hilarious and way too appropriate.

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Sorry about that ! I don't know what come over me !!!

Hmmmm........ guy with hair issues that got in power because of who their parent was ....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGzek0dWAAA77rW.jpg

As for North Korea, he is getting attention now (I guess both "J"'s are...) and seems to want to use it like a bargaining chip, the fact there are atleast 250,000 in forced labour camps and public executions for dozens of things doesn't concern China.
http://www.express.co.uk/travel/arti...ecution-killed

When you look at China it is pretty obvious that we actually are just funding an enemy ... look at the claims of territory based on their building an island with a base on it, new ships, new weapons etc. The balancing act is to get money into the hands of the people and education to the people, even with the GFW - (Great Fire Wall, having watched tv in Beijing and it obviously stopped the CNN broadcast for issues it wanted censored) but there are gains here ... but also remember these are the same leaders that had no issue driving tanks over student protestors and is rapidly expanding their military spending and projects.
http://www.janes.com/article/73044/c...-mischief-reef
http://www.janes.com/article/search?query=China&page=1

and how they treat anyone they consider even the minorest of "threats", Justlied seems to be ignoring this one completely.
Canadian arrested for her religion pepper sprayed, shackled in Chinese detention
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle35391374/

Heck Norinco just had a bumper year in sales to the world ...
http://www.janes.com/article/72746/n...r-record-sales
The state-owned group said its revenues in the six months to the end of June were CNY220.3 billion (USD32.7 billion), and its net profit exceeded CNY10 billion. (about $200 millionCAD) Compared with the first six months of 2016, these figures represent increases of 18% and 20% respectively.
selling things like their 76.2mm gun ..... no the decimal is in the right place!
http://www.janes.com/article/68339/n...defence-system
and items like these
http://www.cabelas.ca/search?q=norinco
http://www.janes.com/article/67764/a...oured-vehicles

Completely closed countries like Saudi Arabia, those we should cut trade ties with.

China will never attack any of its customers. To risk shutting off the flow of cash from the USA by engaging militarily would bring them to thier knees in no time. Shooting themselves in the foot as they say.
And the other side of that coin is the West don't want to have to pay $3k for a laptop or smartphone. They are addicted to the the products of slave labor. If fatso attacks first the Chinese have given Trump permission to incinerate NK and my guess there are enough nuclear subs quietly laying on the ocean floor off the Korean Peninsula to do that very quickly. Problem solved. It's nothing but spin from here on in. Not sure Trump is smart enough to understand that though.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Well I'll tell you something - I'll take him any day over that wimp you have up there - at least we have a man leading our country - not some tooth fairy

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Democracy has it's failings. But with over 300 million people down there the fact it came down to a crackpot like Trump and a crooked charity robber like Clinton should make Americans feel a bit stupid right?

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Originally Posted by terrym

Democracy has it's failings. But with over 300 million people down there the fact it came down to a crackpot like Trump and a crooked charity robber like Clinton should make Americans feel a bit stupid right?

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And our moron gives that "charity robber" a ton of our tax dollars....

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And our moron gives that "charity robber" a ton of our tax dollars....

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Yup. And polling shows he would win another majority. Canadians obviously are no brighter or informed than Americans. At least they have a 2 terms and you're done system. We need the same.

Hey Joe careful who you call not your friend. By my account China pretty much holds the lean on your house. What do you owe to them must be up to the trillions by now.

The one you owe your lively hood to, that you owe money to etc. you don't call them friend .... Justlied admires them so much that maybe the term we should look up is "master" ????

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