Fed Issue #47 - Liberal tax increases affecting all business and more liberal lies.

Liberal's lying about the tax changes and their impact .... duh... of course they did. :madman:

Some of the changes are retroactive or Jan1/2018 and include things like an 87% tax on some estate items...... and of course screwing the "Middle Class" again.


Private Corporation Tax Proposals Unquestionably Harm "Middle-Class" Business Owners
http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/62469...usiness+Owners
Finally, the penalty for inadvertently falling into these rules is disproportionately harsh for a "middle-class" family, as the consequence may be over 50% rate of taxation when the income would otherwise have been subject to a much lower personal tax rate bracket.


Global News talking about some of the changes and their impacts.
https://www.facebook.com/kenneyjason...5617808782641/
https://twitter.com/GlobalCalgary/st...86082814947328

Moody Gartner twitter to follow.
https://twitter.com/moodysgartner?lang=en

Wow I knew I needed to read deeper into this all I can do as a small business owner is shake my head how is a business to grow under this government

Some are now calling it class warfare..... but it seems more like warfare against anyone who is working to me. Illegal immigrants getting tent cities and welfare while homeless get squat, tax increases all over the place, carbon taxes, removing tax credits for sports, arts and school supplies, making accountability bad (Unions and Reserves not required to be accountable again), "charities" allowed to have unfettered political spending .... this gov't is all about it's power, it's blowing money and attacking workers it seems....


https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opi...service=mobile
His new proposals for small-business tax reform – which will hit a wide range of professionals – are couched in the rhetoric of class warfare. He refers to law-abiding, tax-compliant people (not all of whom drive Lexuses) as "the richest Canadians," who exploit "unfair tax advantages" and "fancy accounting schemes."


It’s not small biz owners who are greedy – it’s the tax hungry Liberal government
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/09/02...ral-government


The new increases are going to not just hit your local dentist and doctor and other professionals but even farmers ..... it will take atleast several decades of good leaders to undo the damage this gov't is doing in 1 term.

Thanks to Trudeau's tax proposals, big fish are moving billions out of Canada, former finance minister says
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/...o-leave-manley

A big Canadian player has quietly picked up his chips and is heading for the exit amid all the tumult over the Trudeau government’s controversial tax proposals.

A business owner has informed John Manley, the head of an organization representing Canada’s largest corporations, that he’s moved billions of dollars outside the country since the Liberals announced their tax changes in mid-July.
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Manley pointed to one example where a successful business owner has decided to leave Canada with “billions of dollars.”

On the advice of tax professionals, he said the individual decided to move the money primarily because of the impacts the reforms could have on his family through changes related to estate planning.
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Trudeau has stood firmly by the proposed reforms and has stressed they are about making the system fairer, rather than generating revenue.





Fairer ..... Mr Justlied the trust fund millionaire and Mr MoreNOW the vacation house in France and offshore company millionaire are just screwing the middle income until they are all in the current low income bracket.... by then the whole scale will be moved down! Those with the skills and money to move ... they will be gone too!



and of course!
https://globalnews.ca/news/3761484/b...new-tax-rules/
The proposed new small business tax changes do not impact family trusts or numbered companies, used by Canadian Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to shield their family’s vast fortunes.

Trudeau’s personal wealth, which was inherited from his father, is held in numbered corporations. And Morneau has money in a family trust and numbered corporations.

We are doomed. He's going to kill us financially.

Middle-class families are paying more taxes, despite Liberal claims: report
The Fraser Institute study finds 81% of middle-income Canadians are paying an average of $840 more a year in income taxes after Ottawa’s changes
http://business.financialpost.com/pe...herwise-report

Of those included in the middle-income bracket, 81 per cent are paying higher total income taxes after the changes, an average of $840 more per year.
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"It’s important to look at all of the tax changes, because if you don’t you’ll get a very incomplete picture of the impact on middle-class families,” he said.
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Ottawa has so far scrapped public transit credits, children’s fitness credits and education and textbook credits.
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The families were broken into five categories. Eighty-one per cent of those earning in the middle income bracket, between $77,000 and $107,000 annually, are paying higher income taxes after the recent changes (an average of $840 per year more). Of the second-lowest quintile, earning between roughly $51,000 and $77,000, 69 per cent are paying higher overall income taxes ($382 higher per year). The highest quintile, earning over $150,000, saw just 51 per cent pay higher income taxes, or $1,151 higher per year.


**NOTE in Ontario under the new $15 minimum wage.
2 people 40 hour week, 50 weeks a year.... $60,000
"second-lowest quintile, earning between roughly $51,000 and $77,000, 69 per cent are paying higher overall income taxes ($382 higher per year)."

** to get in the $51,000 bracket... 51,000/(2 people at 50 weeks and a 40 hour week.).. $12.75/hour.

** $77,000 works out to $19.25 using the same calculation.
"(an average of $840 per year more)."


While Morneau and Trudeau are unaffected they attack doctors .... Justlied actually accused the Conservatives with siding with the doctors instead of nurses.... divisive, class attacking and let's not forget the changes to the information requests to the gov't .... secretive and coverups.
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opi...beandmail.com&

Note the video, when you hear him over and over Justlied Trudeau talking about "wealthy Canadians" .(uh... Him and Morneau ... Nope)
using corporations to pay less taxes (after all working hard and the fiction of the amount of taxes paid is their mantra, ignoring the fact Trudeau has 3 numbered companies ..and the Trudeau Foundation)
, it seems they are anti-innovation, anti-business and anti-people even just keeping money they earned by working, MUST GOUGE ALL, MUST GOUGE ALL ... the LIEbral mantra. The millionaires Trudeau and Morneau (Vacation house, gov't paid nannies....) didn't build a company, no innovation and really seem to dislike those harder working and smarter (probably majority of the population) and don't care about their future, their saving, their kids (and kids education) .... ideologues intent on making Canada into a giant mess and incapable of understanding it!


https://savelocalbusiness.ca/

Attacking the students, youth, families, dividing people into classes and attacking some openly (attacking all secretly) ... the LIEbral way of doing things it seems!

With JT's tax increases,according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation,58% of every dollar every Canadian makes goes to a tax in some form. It has to stop. Sometime very soon,the break point will be reached. Then,God help us all.

Liberal get's punished for disagreeing with Lib. leadership .... a whipped vote so not surprising but nice to see there is one Lib with a brain and integrity.

New Brunswick MP kicked off 2 committees for breaking Liberal ranks on tax changes
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...-tax-1.4342744

The liberals are similar to people with friends only because they shower their friends with money. However that "shower money" that goes to their PS worker "friends" are at the expense and harm of the balance of folk.
It won't be long before the young (about all they have beside PS) turn on them because they are seeing that they have no future under an idiot like turdo's liberals. Just more of the separation and distance between the have and the have nots coupled with the realization that for the libs to have their PS "friends" and shower them with money, it has to come from the already financially hamstrung middle class/young.

Morneau's and turdo's money is exempted from their proposed tax on business......imagine that.

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The liberals are similar to people with friends only because they shower their friends with money. However that "shower money" that goes to their PS worker "friends" are at the expense and harm of the balance of folk.
It won't be long before the young (about all they have beside PS) turn on them because they are seeing that they have no future under an idiot like turdo's liberals. Just more of the separation and distance between the have and the have nots coupled with the realization that for the libs to have their PS "friends" and shower them with money, it has to come from the already financially hamstrung middle class/young.

Morneau's and turdo's money is exempted from their proposed tax on business......imagine that.

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Agreed!


https://www.reuters.com/article/cana...-idUSL2N1MH0ET

The gov't sure i hiring!

September’s job gains were driven by the public sector, which added 26,200 positions, while the private sector shed 15,500 jobs. The unemployment rate held steady at 6.2 percent as the number of people looking for work edged down.

If anyone is delusional enough to think they Liberal's aren't outright attacking the working people in Canada ... this should end it!
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/gov-t...-tax-1.3625058
"Gov't of Canada targeting retail workers with employee discount tax"



Making the company track it and then the gov't tax one of the few benefits people get working in retail .... Anyone that would vote Liberal after this (or NDP after Notley) .... well the old quote fits!

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

Even CBC is talking about the realities ... when even CBC says the Liberals are pissing on our leg and saying it is raining ...must be time to increase CBC funding ...

Are Justin Trudeau and Bill Morneau in touch with the middle class?
https://www.facebook.com/22Minutes/v...5031382633339/

Morneau sitting in his mansion (probably not the one he forgot) attacking diabetics, clerks, farmers, doctors etc. is now refusing to answer questions about his lies about putting his money in a blind trust.

Bill Morneau says he doesn't 'report to journalists,' bristles at questions about personal finances, yet every dollar in his budget and his pay from parliament comes from the taxpayers.... their money comes from taxpayers whether you pay a few dollars in tax or alot and his actions helping a Barbados Morneau business and the pensions run by Morneau Chappell ? he doesn't want to respond to.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill...364241?cmp=rss

Brian talks about the actions he has done that benefit himself and the question period questioning where he repeatedly doesn't answer questions ....
https://www.facebook.com/brianlilley...0788778988171/
Brian has the right idea ... boycotting McCains might get this arrogant a**h*** to do something.

Liberals have a spending problem, which will lead to a taxing problem. My only question right now is, which Canadians are supporting them right now, and how do they have enough support to win a by-election?

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Liberals have a spending problem, which will lead to a taxing problem. My only question right now is, which Canadians are supporting them right now, and how do they have enough support to win a by-election?

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“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

I should almost create a new thread on the .001%er millionaire Bill Morneau and his contempt for integrity and openness and the current conflict of interest investigation but it is all part of the same Libranoes:

Morneau not answering questions on his not putting the shares in a blind trust,
forgetting the chalet in France
"someone" selling $10,000,000 of Morneau shares right before the tax change and pocketing an extra $500,000,
the recent changes to the taxes that didn't affect Morneau or Trudeau and super rich but did affect the other 99%,
and more recently the Liberal's voting to prevent Morneau from having to disclose his financial transactions and of course Morneau voting (another conflict of interest).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ce036F0Kg

Mosquito...if you are not a Libertarian you should be.

The completely disheartening thing is Trudough will be reelected next time. Voters are mostly uninformed and could care less about balanced books. How these people can look their kids in the eyes baffles me but now to get elected to office the most important thing is what you look like. Sad.

It just gets “worser” and “worser”.....!

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Mosquito...if you are not a Libertarian you should be.

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Not a chance, their policies on prostitution alone are enough that I would sooner vote Liberal. Even Justin Trudeau got it right when he said it is a form of abuse.




I remember there was a study about how people make decisions when provided with new information

50% accepted unconditionally
30% rejected unconditionally
15% decided to think about it but then decided without actual analysis and thought
5% analyzed and thought about it .....

So the conclusion was

5% think
15% THINK they think
80% would rather die than think..... explains alot about Canada more and more.... the media tells people what they ought to think and they accept it blindly. I would love to see CBC do a show on anyone can swim across Lake Ontario or fly off a cliff given the right conditions and see how many would fail at even basic self preservation and try it given some of the Liberal and NDP out there. Most of the studies are nonsense and the conditions on them and sample selection make they a joke but sometimes when you talk to a Trudeau fan .....

Ok I will bite. So if a man or lady decides to sell the body they own, do it in safe way and earn a living doing so is wrong in your opinion. I see it different as most libertarians do. The effort of ones labour is their property, and worth, if they can earn a living doing why should a government interfere with ones personal effort. If that effort is selling your body, it is your choice, as it would be my choice to engage a the services of a prostitute. That is called free will and making a personal choice. One could also argue, that by not making it legal, then it forces those who sell own body to do it in dark. While in the dark, it creates the easy access for the criminal element to move in and take over, because it is not legal. The same reasoning can be made for drug use, illegal firearms, all those reason allow the criminal market to exist.

So if you reason it out that way, in my opinion, the government is creating the conditions for criminals/criminal element to exist.

Further, marijuana and the current policy of the feds and Prov will not remove the criminal elements from the market, it will only allow it to further increase. If MJ was treated with same rules as basil plant you buy in the store, it would disappear from the criminal market as everyone would be free to grow, smoke, start a business and sell the product (free market). As it stands now, all the free market entrepreneurs are being raided and closed down. This is to ensure the government approved growers, suppliers and markets are controlled and taxed. If people can understand the basics of free markets verses government controlled and regulated markets..then the business industry would flourish in Canada.

Another example: NAFTA = Free Trade - Nothing could be further from the truth in Free Trade. NAFTA is government designed, big business designed tool to ensure only those who join the club and have lobby group can play in the NAFTA field. All others have been shut out, due to the governments control and access to those markets. So NAFTA is free trade, it another form of control for big business to maintain market share and stifle any new competition.

If you can understand how the government controls all of your choices from Healthcare, Taxation, Schooling, business and markets, then you might get mad enough realize you are tool, and slave to power and control of the government over you personal life.

Read this book. "Tea Party of One", By Jean-Serge Brission. A business owner who since 1991 has refused to collect PST/GST and is still in business (Greely, Ontario) and does not collect taxes on behalf of the government. His SC argument is tax collection without proper compensation for the value of his work and to be fairly compensated for his time and effort is slavery. A challenge that no level of government is willing to take to court, because the outcome will have far reaching effects on the Canadian tax system. So they leave him alone and let him do his thing...an Army of one is ignored...but he is legally right.

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Not a chance, their policies on prostitution alone are enough that I would sooner vote Liberal. Even Justin Trudeau got it right when he said it is a form of abuse.




I remember there was a study about how people make decisions when provided with new information

50% accepted unconditionally
30% rejected unconditionally
15% decided to think about it but then decided without actual analysis and thought
5% analyzed and thought about it .....

So the conclusion was

5% think
15% THINK they think
80% would rather die than think..... explains alot about Canada more and more.... the media tells people what they ought to think and they accept it blindly. I would love to see CBC do a show on anyone can swim across Lake Ontario or fly off a cliff given the right conditions and see how many would fail at even basic self preservation and try it given some of the Liberal and NDP out there. Most of the studies are nonsense and the conditions on them and sample selection make they a joke but sometimes when you talk to a Trudeau fan .....

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Ok I will bite. So if a man or lady decides to sell the body they own, do it in safe way and earn a living doing so is wrong in your opinion. I see it different as most libertarians do. The effort of ones labour is their property, and worth, if they can earn a living doing why should a government interfere with ones personal effort. If that effort is selling your body, it is your choice, as it would be my choice to engage a the services of a prostitute. That is called free will and making a personal choice. One could also argue, that by not making it legal, then it forces those who sell own body to do it in dark. While in the dark, it creates the easy access for the criminal element to move in and take over, because it is not legal. The same reasoning can be made for drug use, illegal firearms, all those reason allow the criminal market to exist.

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Just on that.... I would NEVER vote Libertarian or any party that wanted to legalize it. It shows a complete ignorance of the issue and detachment from studies on human trafficking, prostitution and violence against women and is just down right and even beyond stupid!


I have heard her story and about her work several times and simply put it is on of the few things Justin has right, it is a form of violence imposed on those desperate enough.
https://www.mississauga.com/news-sto...el-prostitute/

Legalization increases trafficking dramatically!
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/20...n-trafficking/
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...re-trafficking

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Read this book. "Tea Party of One", By Jean-Serge Brission. A business owner who since 1991 has refused to collect PST/GST and is still in business (Greely, Ontario) and does not collect taxes on behalf of the government. His SC argument is tax collection without proper compensation for the value of his work and to be fairly compensated for his time and effort is slavery. A challenge that no level of government is willing to take to court, because the outcome will have far reaching effects on the Canadian tax system. So they leave him alone and let him do his thing...an Army of one is ignored...but he is legally right.

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the above quote -by line 052

I find the above, hard to believe that the Gov. both Federal and Provincial is leaving this business person alone, normally he would be sitting an jail for what he is not doing.
There has to be more to this issue than we are being told.
Not collecting and paying taxes is very serious in both Gov's. eyes, there have been many instances of this in the newspapers and the outcome was in a lot of cases jail time , or fines equaling the amount of taxes owed, plus the payment of the taxes .

One of the best speeches I have heard in the House of Commons...
https://www.facebook.com/CanadiansFo...8858287632368/

SO I met with Jean yesterday at the Monthly Libertarian Meeting in Ottawa, and I can assure you he is still not collecting GST/HST/PST while running his business. The feds don't want to deal with the issue of slavery. Very real story and very real facts. They fined him $2000.00 and threatened 6 months in jail...he is waiting for his arrest, and frequently reminds of this, he wants to be arrested so he can appeal to SC again.

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the above quote -by line 052

I find the above, hard to believe that the Gov. both Federal and Provincial is leaving this business person alone, normally he would be sitting an jail for what he is not doing.
There has to be more to this issue than we are being told.
Not collecting and paying taxes is very serious in both Gov's. eyes, there have been many instances of this in the newspapers and the outcome was in a lot of cases jail time , or fines equaling the amount of taxes owed, plus the payment of the taxes .

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Serge_Brisson

https://www.mises.ca/jean-serge-bris...id-vs-goliath/

In 1974, Brisson opened his own radiator repair business with the expectation that he would be working for himself. However, in a province burdened by an ever-growing government, there was going to be less of that and more of working for the state. Brisson notes that until 1985, customers had the choice to pay provincial sales tax (PST) at the point of sale or upon government demand whereby the government had to collect the taxes directly from the customers. In 1985, politicians changed the law thereby requiring all businessmen to collect its PST regardless of the will of customers. Brisson realized that this compulsion to collect taxes had effectively made him a slave. He was legally compelled to do physical work on behalf of the state and had no choice about it.

In 1990, Brisson refused to go along with the immoral laws of compulsory tax collection. He refused to become a slave for the state. His utterly moral action was viewed as a major problem for those who inhabit government offices. After all, tax collection is the lifeblood of all governments – a man fools with it at his peril. Little time elapsed before Brisson was visited by provincial bureaucrats who told him that “it was an obligation by businesspeople to collect taxes in exchange for the ‘privilege’ of running a business.” Imagine the hubris and twisted insanity behind the idea that running a business is a privilege! But, such thinking is common for the socialists who now occupy government offices. No longer does the government view itself as an organization that protects our freedoms. Rather, it now views itself as a slave-driver and micro-manager of everything in our lives, our businesses and our communities (as I mentioned in previous articles here and here). To modern politicians and bureaucrats the ends justify the means even if it requires the reintroduction of mass slavery.

In 1991, when the Federal Government’s GST was imposed, Brisson decided to treat the GST the same as he had treated the PST: He refused to collect it. The Province of Ontario, the CRA and the GST tax collection department ganged-up on him and attempted to ruin him and his business. They audited him. They put liens on his property and attempted to steal all of his assets. A local judge was found to prefer political expediency over adherence to laws that existed to help victims like Brisson. Provincial politicians asked in the legislature what they were going to do to stop him.

They even tried to destroy a different person with the same name.

In spite of all their underhanded efforts to crush Brisson, the state’s politicians, bureaucrats and tax collectors were petrified of Brisson bringing his argument against slavery into the high courts of the land. That is why they fought Brisson in ways that would result in bureaucratic victories rather than legal victories. The state was not interested in the morality of Brisson’s fight. Rather, they favored the petty criminal and bureaucratic methods of toppling him.

Brisson’s story is a remarkable one. It demonstrates that the state is only as powerful as our willingness to go along with its dictates. If one man’s opposition to immoral law is all that is required to throw the machinery of bureaucracy and dictatorship into a state of turmoil, then image the results of ten, one hundred or one thousand men like Brisson who refuse to go along with the flow. In a society where individual freedom is becoming more of a historical anecdote fit for a museum rather than an intrinsic part of humanity that we actively defend and fight for, the battles of men like Brisson must be told and supported.

Brisson’s story is not over, though. Nor is the war that wages between the socialists and techno-planners who want to transform society into some sort of bureaucratic Utopian hell and individuals who yearn to be free. In fact, it is the only war worth fighting – all other wars are distractions by comparison.

To fully appreciate how one man stood fearlessly and courageously in the face of modern-day bureaucratic evil, I would highly recommend that you obtain a copy of Brisson’s book – and pass it on. Of course, you can request that it be purchased at an “ex-tax” price.