Thought I'd pass this along - expresses my feelings 100% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xQ1dYFa1RA
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Thought I'd pass this along - expresses my feelings 100% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xQ1dYFa1RA
That first amendment is a real pita eh.
@joepa
You have countless posts supporting your second amendment rights, and spewing American propaganda, yet you don't think your fellow Americans should be allowed to have their first amendment rights......
I'm confused.
They have the right to speak up but don't do it by dishonoring the flag of our country - I have the right to criticize the way they are doing it - a lot of good men died fighting under that flag and it should be respected - there are other ways and times to protest not while the national anthem is being played - if it wasn't for football most of these guys would be flipping burgersQuote:
Originally Posted by puc911
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
- John F. Kennedy
You should read up on what is and what isn't proper with the flag. btw the big ones the league uses on the field for most games does not meet the standard nor does wearing it as a cape.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
What they would or wouldn't be doing if they weren't playing football is doesn't change the first amendment.
I strongly dissagree with kneeling during any event that displays a nations flag. If a person wants to make a point about social injustice then do it without involving a national flag or anthem. It is ignorant, insulting and wrong. When I watch a sporting event (I'm a huge sports fan) I don't want politics to be involved. In my opinion, sports is a time to sit back, relax and enjoy without the worlds issues to interfere with that simple pleasure.
I have to agree Joe !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
If you don't want politics involved then don't play a national anthem. The playing of anthems was politicized long before someone used it to try to make this point. They aren't asking anyone to like it. The most you need to do is understand their right to freedom of speech and expression... and you are welcome to ignore their issues... which is part of the point they are making.
I agree with you as well Joe. If it was a Canadian disrespecting our flag during a game I'd be furious as well--regardless of that jerks rights.
Today is Remembrance Day here in Canada, at 11am I pulled over with a few others today (moment of silence) it was pretty cool thing to see/do.... Protesting during the Anthem is just disrespectful...
If you want to make a point, do it on your own time and dime.
A lot of guys and gals fought and died so you have the freedom to choose to kneel or not, have you thought about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
They are not protesting the anthem no matter how many times the ill informed say they are. This is on their dime. Guys have been cut for this. NFL players have the least security of any of the major sports leagues. It would be easy to stand and be quiet. The questions from the media would just be: "Hey, you sucked today in front of 80 thousand fans and millions on tv. Talk about that."
Would you like them to protest in their living rooms (like most of us do sitting on our butts complaining about the hatchet job another "star" does on the anthems)? It's supposed to be uncomfortable. It should make people think about what's going on. The evidence so far shows however, that few are.
Hey Dythb' - are you gonna get rid of that quote you have at the bottom of your posts since it has been determined that this bum Louis C. K. is nothing but a sex pervert - a scumbag - lowdown liberal - and a rapist - was wondering -Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
You'd be hard pressed to post any of your links if you held yourself to the same standard.
Masturbating in front of another person male or female does not make you a rapist, you must have the wrong dictionary.
Maybe he should run for a seat in the American senate!Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Yea. I suppose you are correct. I should change my signature with Louis CK's revelations on the weekend. Hopefully, you will also be amending your support for President Trump because one should always be judged by one's morals and standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
However, your point about my signature has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread, which you started btw. You don't like the way they are protesting? That is fine but you still seem to fail to understand they are exercising their rights enshrined in the US constitution. If you don't like that, then simply move to a country where freedom of expression is strictly controlled. Countries like China, North Korea, Cuba, Syria, Burma, or Turkmenistan know how to silence government critics. Perhaps one of those countries would be better suited for you to live in.
Good call Dyth.
Hi . Dyth!,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
I see that you got up on the right side of the bed today ! :) :goodstuff: :thumbup:
I think the point is that they have the right. But that doesn't make it right.
I think the point that Joe is making is that Americans should be given the right to free speech as long as they have the same views as him, add up everything he writes and the links that he posts and it is pretty clear. He sure sounds like someone who would have no problem backing a dictator, maybe he and Trump should pick up the US Constitution and have a read.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Any kind of non-violent protest is the right way as opposed to the alternative. By doing what they are doing, they are bringing a hard and uncomfortable topic onto a national platform. A topic, which in the past rather than be discussed, has been left to fester.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Who decides? :confused: Oh because some don't like it :scream:...like keeping your one muskie? :fish: If no laws are broken, suck it up , they disagree with you, to bad.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Man, way too many emoticons!
Anyway, if I was paying some clowns obscene salary to play football or baseball or whatever they can do what they want--as long as its on their time and their dime.
I'm sitting down to watch a football game, not some over priced character trying to make a political statement.
Turn it on after the anthem singer , easy peasy, problem solved .... no you want to change what others have the right to do. Those people who pay the players obscene amounts of money as you say ,make billions off them, that is the only reason the owners own a team , not to be patriotic.
No, I don't want to change what they have a right to do. I never said that. Having a right to something doesn't make it right is what I said. I just don't agree with the how and the time and the place they want to drag their politics to the forefront. This style protest is going in college ball as well so you can do away with the money argument.
Clearly I come from a different era where being respectful was important. That's certainly on the back burner now with this me-first generation.
Stop watching them and they will lose their jobs, you have the right to protest by not giving them your hard earned dime, they have the right to protest by kneeling, standing, saluting, holding a fist in the air, anything they want when the anthem is being played. This is what so many Americans fought and died for, it is called freedom of expression, without that America is no better than Sadam's Iraq, Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany, if you are going to quash them for their opinions then you are on a very slippery slope.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Sawbill my point was, who are you to decide what is right for them? Just because you disagree does not make it wrong. It is doing what was intended , draw attention to a problem that too many people are willing to ignore . So because this is an outdoors site I will use the example of the Muskie again, it is legal to keep one a day, you feel that it is not right, but those who keep fish are breaking no laws. It is only your opinion that they are doing something wrong.
Would most employers allow their employees to protest on company time? I believe the NFL should've stepped in and as has been said people are there to watch a game, not a bunch of cry babies.
They are paid to play not to stand for the anthem, that is not company time, even so, look at what unions do and they are part of a union.Quote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
As soon as they step foot in the stadium they're under the guidance of the NFL, so I disagree. They're on company time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
They are part of the NFLPA, their union determines what they can and cannot do, they have their legal ability to protest the anthem as does every single other major sports in north america.Quote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
I'm in a union and I can't protest when I'm on the clock. Unions don't determine what is legal and what isn't, unless their collective agreement specifically states they can protest while on company time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
It is the owners who call the shots - all they have to do is say that anyone who kneels when the anthem is played sits on the bench and when their contract is up it doesn't get renewed - if all the owners did this you would end this stupidity very quickly - I for one would never pay to go to a sporting event where the players disrespect the flag of my country - especially by a bunch of spoiled brats who never did a thing for the country - that's why I spend most of my time in the outdoors not at some professional sporting event or a movie where a bunch of low lives are preforming -
If they did this the NFL owners would have no product to put on the field and lose a lot of money, every wonder why no owners have spoken out and said they would sit players? They want to make money, that is what it is all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Yes it is all about money both ways...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
How many players are willing to sit out a game and not get paid to make the same point... (which I am not even sure what it is anymore). The issue would get much more airtime if they sat out the entire game in protest....................... but then that player wouldn't get paid for that game............................. so won't happen because it doesn't work in their favour.
Anyway, I think they are silly for doing it and shows lack of respect. They may have the right but I think it is in poor taste.
Nothing in the player's handbook states they have to stand for the national anthem.Quote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...175221581.html
Players have to be on the sideline and the guidebook states uses the words "should" and "may" but not "must" when it comes to actions about the anthem.
See above post about players standing for the national anthem. Furthermore, you think they are spoiled brats who never did a thing for the country. I suppose paying more in income tax from one contract than you have ever made in a lifetime doesn't count for doing anything for the country. How about the number of NFL players who either walked away from the NFL to serve or served prior to joining the NHL or even became politicians? Why doesn't the work players do with charities or the money they donate to charity (some even start a charity) count in your view?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
You really need to adjust the metrics you use for determining people's worth. You come across as ignorant and bigoted.
Don't forget giving up their lives and or well being for the entertainment of the masses, CTE has been proven and some football players are actually leaving the game early so as to keep their brains intact so that they will be able to enjoy their lives in their 30s and beyond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
The original intent of Colin Kapernick sitting was in to make a point about the abuse of minorities in the US, he did not talk to the media about it, it was a quiet protest. It took Trump being an absolute idiot to get anyone else to step up. Kapernick has essentially been black listed from the game, one of the best QBs for a time he is now on the side lines because he chose to express his problems with the police in the US. Nothing about Kapernick kneeling is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
That is your opinion...not mine :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Don't try to sell that these guys are in it for the good of the country because they pay huge taxes. They're in it for 2 reasons, first they want to play football and secondly, they're in it for the money. There is very little loyalty to a team anymore. They follow the teams that offer up the money.
And if a particular club has a set of rules regarding conduct on and off the field and these guys don't like it? Sure, they can quit but they'll be out of a job in a heartbeat because there's hundreds of kids just waiting to take their spot. The game will go on.
Nothing about Kapernik kneeling was silly. Sure proved to be stupid though.
Never said they were playing football for the good of the country. JoePa made the point they have done nothing for it and my point was to counter his assertion.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
We have every right to be disgusted by these repulsive protests. No one is asking for your justification!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kickingfrog
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You have every right to be upset with their protests but they have the exact same right to protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTurk
This is the key here, you can have your opinion and they can have theirs, once you start saying they should be locked up for their opinion you are removing that freedom, including the freedom you have to be upset with their protests.
Fox...
Spare me the ridicule and accusations that I am ignorant to others having an opinion! An opinion is one thing...justifying it by means of occupying a thread with some ideological propaganda is something else entirely!
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No body said they should be locked up - they should be fired - that's all - and the owners have a right to do that - and if they have a contract you don't renew it - in the meantime they sit on the bench - and if people had any sense they wouldn't go to the games
I guess nobody has any sense as the NFL had a revenue of $13 Billion in 2016, no owner will fire the people protesting as they would have no product on the field to bring in the money, no matter their views on the matter the all mighty dollar means significantly more than watching someone do something that does not hurt their bottom line at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
BitTurk, the entire point of this thread by JoePA was to push propaganda, all of the others on here giving the opposite view (not just me) have every right to give their opinions, the same as you. Again, this is what a free country is, if you want that ability silenced prepare to have yours silences as well.
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Originally Posted by BigTurk
Justification is exactly what was sought, is doesn't have to be granted.
Since patriotism has been brought up. It is pseudo-patriotism but we'll indulge a little. It seems many have forgotten that a few years back the NFL and the various branches of service in the US caught some heat (It disappeared quickly/conveniently) because the military was using tax dollars to pay the NFL for these pregame ceremonies. Some lip service from the league and the money was returned we were told. That is were the leagues patriotism stands, for the almighty dollar.