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Natives will continue to kill grizzlies!
Ended because it was socially unacceptable!!! This sets a very dangerous precedent!
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Ended as a result of a few idiot hunters posting a video of the nasty shooting of a grizzly as it rolled down the side of a mountain. Once the public saw that, you knew there would be ramifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTurk
Another reason is they were shot for the fur (trophy hunt) and left the carcasses to rot.
and anything else the please...Quote:
Originally Posted by bush24
...this is a bunch of BS...good on the politicians that stuck up for hunters rights at least there is still a dog in the fight even if loosing.
Banning one set of hunters but allowing another set of hunters to continue is no longer acceptable. It's time for 1 set of rules based on data and science.
Banning one set of hunters (sport hunting) but allowing another set of hunters (sustenance hunting) to continue is no longer acceptable...Really ??? How do you figure on gaining political support to block sustenance hunting by indigenous groups, presently covered under treaty rights ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mpsmyth6
If hunting bears is wrong, then it's wrong for all, not just a select group because people don't like the politics of it. Ban bear hunting if their numbers do not allow it to continue, or just apply the same rules to all other hunting, by making it mandatory to bring out the meat and making it illegal to allow the meat to spoil. People love to bow down to FN hunters, but it's time for 1 set of rules for all of us, and make sure those FN hunters are not guiding or allowing meat to spoil as well, because yes they sport hunt too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Our current governments at ALL levels run like scared rats whenever the Indian card is played
Looks like the FLNRO needs to be reminded of the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. There is no mention of using emotions or political influence on which to base management decisions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbYJHU_c7NA
I give it a couple years and it'll be back. This is why it's so important we as hunters need to speak up and denounce the ones that tarnish this sport. We as hunters, are a small minority
That is so true. Plus jumping on the FN band wagon = votes for and that is all that really matters to politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
yes the mnr says there is excess of 15,,000 grizzlys.
Therein lies the rub. To many, hunting is not a sport. It's a way of life, or a means to feed one's family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
White man got to eat also.
Between 1960-1997 there were 41 serious injuries and 8 fatalities attributed to the estimated 10,000 to 13,000 population of grizzly bears.
We now have an estimated population of 15,000 grizzly bears in B.C.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the future.
Ref:http://www.bearbiology.com/fileadmin...ins_Vol_11.pdf
Look at the nonsense Ontario went through with the spring Black Bear hunt cancellation from an unbalanced population increase. Increased game species predation adversely affecting Moose populations,damage from Black Bears ripping up cottages,Bears threatening people in urban settings and a failed Black Bear Aware program as a stop-gap,feel good measure that turned out to be worse than useless....and we were only dealing with PITA,fairly docile,but,totally unpredictable Blackies. BC will be dealing with one of the greatest and nastiest apex predators on the planet. All I can say to them is "Hang onto yer hammies cuz things are gonna get crazy." :p
From the above study statistic,sQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Population in B.C. in 1990,s was 3,620,440 Population in B.C. in 2015 was 4,694,700
Number of Average Annual serious human injury rateDecade or fatal injuries population (per person)
1960s 9 POP 1,855,470
1970s 11 Pop 2,452,250
1980s 19 Pop 2,977,090
1990s 33 Pop 3,620,440
It seems like there's something the matter with the "left" coast of N/A from BC down to CA there's always someone coming up with bright ideas. No Grizzly hunt, lets pollute the natural fish with fish farms, etc.
There sure as h*ll is. It's called "liberalism" and it's the common denominator from BC to Cali. Something has fcukt up their brain waves. Living in an Earthquake zone,maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Mike do you honestly believe there are natives who will starve if they are temporarily banned from hunting grizzlies? Its not sustinence hunting lets agree to stop calling it that. Do they not have grocery stores on reserves? They could do a little "sustinence shopping".Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Lets see some statistics to prove sustinence hunting is as crucial as they believe it is and that its not being abused. How many stores up north selling moose and deer meat. How many walleye are gill netted and sold for profit...is this also sustinence hunting? More like supplemental income. If I could sell the walleye I catch all spring and summer for 5$ per pound I would not need to work hardly as much as I do if at all.
Sustinence can also be found in a grocery store or grown in the garden at home like the majority of the civilized world does. I have native blood in me too and although not registered with a band, I surely do not need to hunt grizzlies to survive even if I lived in BC or AB. Furthermore the game meat I harvest is by choice not out of pure necessity. There are social assistance programs in place to ensure those that cannot work can still survive and are provided for ie available sustenance.
Im not opposed to limiting hunting for a specified time period to help the population but we all need 1 set of rules and rules that are based on science not public opinion. Based on the facts this ban is without just cause and another loss for hunters across the country. We all share the land but not the same rules.
The government have 1 foot in the door we need to cut it off and nail the door shut!
You really don't seem to have a grasp on the history of this country and how Aboriginal Treaty Rights work in regards to Federal and provincial legislation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
Simply put..First Nations will still be able to harvest grizzly bears pursuant to Aboriginal rights for food, social, or ceremonial purposes, and treaty rights..
That will continue regardless of how you feel about it :)
But if the White Man also lives a life with those same values and hunts grizzly to sustain his wy of life, he's pooched? Nonsense. Ban sport hunting, sure. But to ban all but one segment of a population, from hunting altogether; if it were the other way around, we'd be labeled as racists.
Actually I understand fully and thats whats formed my opinion that maybe we overpromised a bit and should have reconsidered before giving away the whole farm.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I just dont agree that subsistence hunting is what alot of people think it is...there is a rampant abuse of the program and while one group has free reign and another group completely restricted...just non sensical...the whole "this land is my land" truly only applies to FN...as Awndry stated, if roles were reversed this would be called racism/discrimination...however catering to a select minority group in my opinion is discrimination. 1 rule for all and lets stop saying subsistence hunting, sure some FN are obviously honest and use it to their benefit however others rampantly abuse the privileges they are bestowed.
That doesn't sound like discrimination or racism, it sounds like 'sour grapes'....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Wrastler
some perspective...back in Oct they were looking at a 'meat hunt' being implementation in the province, ie: NO trophy parts were allowed to be keep...only meat could be hauled out. some indigenous groups were calling for a full moratorium, for their hunters as well. Pressure /input from them was a big part of why a full Ban was approved .
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Hunting and sustenance from the land has long been part of indigenous culture and 'mode de vie'. First Nation hunting isn't affected by the ban and indigenous hunting may continue regulated by the individual bands.
The Tsilhqot'in Nation for example has been given Title Land which means they regulate all activities on their traditional territory. So though the ban risked imposing on the way of life of First Nations people in BC as another 'white man' imposed ban on indigenous ways of life, this cultural impact has been mitigated.
However, if we're to respect that way of life, which may include hunting grizzlies, we have to also respect that we need to sustain the bear population. In most indigenous perspectives on hunting-gathering, conservation is an integral part to the life; the connection to the land that supports that way of life requires conservation.
In the case of numerous Coastal First Nations bands, the conservation has become more important than the hunting and they have called for a moratorium on all bear hunting in the Great Bear Rainforest for various reasons.
Note that the government can ban FN hunting the same as they do to the rest of us hunters. The government knows they will end up in court, whereas the rest of us just seem to bend over and take it...... Enough is enough, if the government is going to ban hunting, then ban it completely but you better have data and science on your side, which is currently not the case. They ban it because it is not socially acceptable for those that know nothing about hunting. By allowing one set of hunters to keep hunting for food, social or ceremony reasons is unacceptable. Time for 1 set of rules.
. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbur...ined-1.4347488
These people have the time and are well funded
Check this video
https://youtu.be/DyKaCDHXigk
And most of the comments pointing to surveys and reports done by Groups/organizations no one has hear of before.Quote:
Originally Posted by skull
I think it's the FN people who are having these thoughts today!!Quote:
maybe we overpromised a bit and should have reconsidered before giving away the whole farm.
Yes they could. And once the populations begin to come back, the FN people will have first right of access to the game and fish. The supreme court of Canada in the "Sparrow" case held that conservation comes first, native harvest next and then open hunting for others. So we can whine and gripe all we want but the deal has been done whether we non-aboriginal people like it or not.....FN people have first right of access to the resource.Quote:
Note that the government can ban FN hunting the same as they do to the rest of us hunters.
Yes but by all accounts the decision to end the “sport hunt” of grizzlies had nothing to do with conservation and everything to do with a social awareness campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
Brown bear just got delisted in certain Rocky Mountain states. Their numbers are on the rebound and certainly within BC they have thrived, even with the hunt in place.
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