An area I normally hunt late season for geese (guelph/eramosa) recently passed sunday gun hunting. The way I understand it is there is no longer a late season for geese. I'm almost sure of this but figured I would ask here. Thanks
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An area I normally hunt late season for geese (guelph/eramosa) recently passed sunday gun hunting. The way I understand it is there is no longer a late season for geese. I'm almost sure of this but figured I would ask here. Thanks
If there is Sunday hunting , then there is no winter hunt for Canada Geese. If this are just changed to Sunday hunting, ie. after the fall season ended, you might be able to hunt. To be sure, you might have to call Canadian Wildlife Service or you local MNR office.
Sucks doesn't it, we were fortunate to convince local council here to strike down Sunday hunting so we could maintain our late season hunt. OFAH was not to happy about it and tried to convince us and city council otherwise.
You can make some of the people happy some of the time.
But you cannot make all of the people happy all of the time.
Win some, lose some.--- that's life!
The migratory bird regulations are bigger than Ontario or Canada, the US laws at minimum are also included. They limit the maximum number of hunting days allowed, local areas can have less but nobody can have more. Therefore when they open up Sunday hunting they have to drop the late season hunts, at least this is what was explained to me, why the complications around it.
I lost my last spring hunt couple years ago now, I do miss it, would take a couple days off work to go to that area, stay at a friends cottage and hunt, was like deer camp only in spring. I would gladly give up 6 days at the end of the fall hunt to have the spring hunt. That late in December I'm deer hunting. But than again it was always a hit or miss thing. If it was a good old winter than the birds were not there yet, but when they were it was fun.
It does suck! Hunted this spot for a long time. If the weather's warm it can mean triple digits over the week. It's almost on the boundary line as well. That's life I guess
Sounds like the field across from the curling club ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Sounds selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
Nice of you to keep families from hunting together on weekends, most don't have the time to take holidays to hunt or pull their kids out of school but I am glad you are happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
Close! That's another one as well. Usually we dont bother competing for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprite
Don't understand why bandwagon would get any grieve for going to council, the opposition could have shown up and stopped it the other way. I'd prefer not to have Sunday hunting as well. Didn't have it for a lot of years, didn't seem to stop people from finding the time to hunt.
Sunday gun hunting opens up opportunity for multi-species hunting in the fall. Opposing it because you want to keep a single species hunt is selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabmgb
Yes, the opposition could have showed up but they didn't have to because they had hunters doing their work for them. Most people who have regular jobs only have an opportunity to hunt on the weekends. Limiting their gun hunting opportunities to simply Saturday automatically halves their field time which will decrease success. Let's not forget Jewish hunters who are supposed to observe Saturdays as their religious day. With no Sunday gun hunting, they are perhaps the most limited.
I work at Ignatius next to the cemetery. Those guys are out there all the time!Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Give me a break how exactly did I do that? Sunday hunting was proposed to local council and our group put a proposal to keep things as is so we could keep out late season. Now families and kids can enjoy two more Saturdays chasing geese in the spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
What species would you be hunting on Sunday with a gun that if not there would cut your opportunities in half? Have you looked at a Sunday hunting map lately?? We are only looking for a little piece of the pie in our part of the province, would hardly call that selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
I have one of those "regular jobs' and can only get out one day on the weekend, the late goose season extends my season and gives me even more opportunities.
Your argument held water when south west Ontario was a no Sunday hunt block. Now a days with most of it opened up and the late goose option diminishing asking those who partake in the hunt to give it up is being selfish. The hunting season is ripe with specialty hunts so everybody can enjoy their preferred hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
I would have fought to keep it. Dont understand why they can't take those days off the end of the season. There's a million geese around with liberal limits and no possession. This was a great time to pile em up. This totally sucks! Anyone who fought to keep this season is not selfish.
Any species I want. What you are saying is that the late goose season which you enjoy is more important than allowing hunters who hunt other species to enjoy gun hunting on both Saturday and Sunday. I have looked at a Sunday hunting map. Your selfish behaviour isn't enjoying an area which has no Sunday gun hunting, your selfish behaviour is going to your local council, lobbying the council to keep Sunday gun hunting out of your area and shutting down other species hunters from gun hunting on Sundays because you wanted to keep a late season open for one species. You helped deny more hunting opportunities to hunters as a group because you and your friends wanted to keep the late goose season. I call that selfish. It is no different than archery hunters wanting no gun hunting because they hunt on Sundays and don't want small game hunters with firearms walking around the woods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
You have one of those regular jobs which allows you to get out one day per weekend. So do I. I also live in an area which has no Sunday gun hunting same as you. While I enjoy the late goose season, I would enjoy the opportunity to hunt coyotes, grouse, pheasants, rabbits, turkeys, deer, ducks, geese, squirrels, doves, etc with a firearm on a Sunday in the fall (or in the case of coyotes all year round) a lot more.
But let's go one step further and break it down with math, you have a regular job which allows you one day a weekend to get out. For this example, I am only going to use the 2017-18 Southern Ontario goose hunting season. For areas which allow Sunday gun hunting, the season is Sept 23-Dec 27. That is 14 weekends which a goose hunter has the opportunity to hunt on a weekend or 28 opportunity-days for hunting. For areas which do not allow Sunday gun hunting, the season is Sept 23-Jan 6 and then Feb 24-Mar 3. This time period has 18 weekends to hunt but limits goose hunting to 1 day so that is 18 opportunity-days which a goose hunter can gun hunt on the weekend. So by not supporting gun hunting on Sundays, we are disadvantaged by 10 opportunity-days for geese. Couple that with the fact in the fall, we aren't limited to just geese on Sundays in the fall unlike the late goose season, I don't understand why you would think that you have more opportunities in a late goose season versus Sunday gun hunting in the fall.
Opening hunting opportunities for all hunters is way more important than keeping a late season goose hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
So what about the thousands of other hunters who would like to gun hunt in the fall for other species (including migratory birds)? How is it not selfish to tell them you don't want them to have the opportunity to gun hunt on Sunday because you want to pile up geese in Feb/Mar? Look at the math I did in my earlier post. In areas which don't allow Sunday gun hunting, goose hunters are losing 10 days (free days where you don't have to take work off if you don't want to) of goose hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
thing is if you are hunting pheasants you are not hunting geese. So if one has limited hunting days during the week they would have to chose one or the or resulting in lost hunting days. By have the option of hunting geese in Feb one can chose to hunt pheasants in the fall and get bonus days hunting geese in Feb when much of everything else is closed. By opening sunday hunting you actually reduce hunting days available.
That is rediculous ! What about all the days gained to hunt deer, turkeys, ducks, coyotes, squirrels, rabbits, pheasants crows etc. etc. ???Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Sunday hunting is one of the best things to happen!
Thankfully, we successfully argued that point with council years ago !!
I never said anything of the sort about if you are hunting pheasants, you are not hunting geese, that is kinda of obvious. My point is Sunday gun hunting opens up more hunting days for hunters who hunt other species than geese while keeping the same number of days for geese hunters. Everyone wins; not just a select number. A pheasant (or any species) hunter has two days on the weekend to go hunting rather than one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
A few posts ago, I actually compared the number of days geese hunters lose by not having Sunday gun hunting. The difference is 10 days. 10 days where Sunday gun hunting proponents are reducing every gun hunter's, whether the species is goose or not, opportunities.
And that is my point. A late season for geese is a second place prize for no Sunday gun hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
As a hunter who's primary hunting day is sunday I have too choose either geese or upland. Having the option of hunting geese at a time when upland is closed gives me more hunting days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
When there was no hunting sunday option than sure open that option up but now a days keeping some areas closed gives more variety. It shouldn't be an all or nothing thing.
That's what sharing is all about right?
Thousands?? Not in my area. I see very few people hunting Sunday's if any. You can't compare Sunday's in the regular season to the late season for quality of hunts in no way shape or form. When you have a season for 15plus years to have it taken away it sucks. We are covered in geese late season. This is a nuisance season to reduce numbers for the species longevity. I know for a fact there are usually 500-600 geese shot during the late season in my area. Many of these are park birds which need their population controlled.
Considering Sunday gun hunting in your area was illegal, I would hope you wouldn't see anyone hunting on Sundays. I would suspect that things will change next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
We are not talking about losing a late season for all species. We are talking about supporting the restriction of all hunters by keeping a late season for one species.
Well if Sunday is your primary hunting day, one would figure that the late season for geese doesn't do you any good because you can't hunt geese on a Sunday during that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Seriously! Sunday gun hunting was open this past fall. So in theory the geese could suffer because of Sunday gun hunting. Due to overpopulation in our area. There will be that many more geese contaminating our parks and rivers. Have to see what happens I guess. There has to be a better solution. Then again we live in Ontario where there isn't a whole lot of common sense anyway.
So knock them down in the fall versus the winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Your obiously not a bird hunter. Completely different temperment in birds in the winter season versus the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Sunday Gun Hunting, I am neither for nor against, myself and most of my friends , do not hunt on Sundays, if we want to shoot we head to the club and shoot skeet, trap, sporting clays' or 5 stand, we practice so when it comes to actual hunting , we seldom miss.
, and we enjoy the day and the camaraderie
Many years ago before Sunday Hunting ever came about, we chased coyotes behind our hounds through out the week days and many of the farmers/land owners asked us not to hunt on Saturdays as their kids where about, riding horses, tobogganing playing hockey on the ponds and generally being on or about their land.
Same was done hunting jack rabbits, as some had their own families hunting jacks on Saturdays.
We could understand this and we complied with their requests.
Now that Sunday Hunting has come into effect, we still can see where a lot of land owners do not want people on their land on Sundays as they want to enjoy the peace and quiet with their families.
Sunday Gun Hunting, is an issue that can be very contentious in more ways than one as we have seen here by the previous posts in this thread , as the saying goes,
" You can please some of the people some of the time, but you cannot please all of the people all of the time"
Or "Win some lose some "
As I said its my primary day. Time for which I don't have to alter my work schedule to go hunt. The late season does me good as other hunting seasons are closed for the most part and I can alter my days to hunt the late season. Which gives me more days a field. As I said it doesn't have to be a all or nothing deal don't be so greedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Sunday hunting for us when I was growing up allowed my dad and I to actually get out and go hunting, without that it was 1 week a year and the odd Saturday. The majority of the population works during the week and the majority of kids are in school, it is really hard to go hunting very often when you only have 1 day out of 7 to do it.
We would go out to a family dinner on the farm, some of my siblings would stay with my grandparents and dad and I would head out to the bush for a quick groundhog or rabbit hunt, made it possible.
With my family now, my wife works some weekends, only 1 day a week on weekends she is off essentially means I would not be able to hunt at all, sell all the gear, not worth it to get a few days in a year. At least with Sunday gun hunting we as a family can decide what timing works best for us rather than a ban on hunting for a day for absolutely no reason.
Really? Perhaps you should look at my post history in the waterfowl section and have a post count above 50 before you make an asinine comment on my waterfowling experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
I really must alter my definition of greedy if you define it as trying to open up hunting opportunities for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Yes you do. There is all ready hunting on Sunday in a number of areas, so no you are not opening up any thing. If someone wants to hunt on sunday they already have access to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Fighting to maintain hunting opportunities now is the same argument when there was no Sunday hunting options.
I really couldn't care a less about your post history. But if your proud of how many you have then I will congratulate you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Not really.....there was no Sunday hunting down in the Southwest. Passing Sunday hunting opened up a ton of opportunities for all hunters, not just waterfowlers. Waterfowlers also benefit by being able to hunt Sundays. Getting rid of or resisting Sunday hunting just so a few guys can hunt late season geese is asinine !Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
that was then this is now. To get rid of the last few areas to hunt waterfowl late season is ASININE!Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
It would be a win win situation if the government somehow change the rules and allowed more Migratory hunting days or took some of the days off toward the end of December and added them to late season...
I am all for Sunday gun hunting, just don't understand why anyone would be against it. They should be against the idea of restricting goose hunting in late season.
Not a matter of being proud. Rather correcting you about my bird hunting experience. But I guess it is easier to assume. Way to go FNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
I am done with the thread.
Not against sunday hunting as I said I primarily hunt sundays. What I am concerned is losing hunting opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
Until the government somehow change the rules and allowed more Migratory hunting days or took some of the days off toward the end of December and added them to late season...
why would one fight so hard to lose that ?
Do you have Sunday hunting in south west Ontario ...Yes
If this trend continues will you be able to hunt geese in Feb?...No
So if the residents and hunters in those last traditional areas want to maintain the status quoe so be it.
I asked a simple question which I was almost sure i knew the answer to. You piped in calling another person selfish! Thats where all this started. I'm not happy about losing the late season. But still have 2 other areas that I hunt with many permissions in them. So its not the end of the world. Birds do hunt differently in the winter (much easier) . You seem to think it's all the same. Thanks FOGQuote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
So how many duck days do you actually gain? How about deer days?...Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
It would be nice to add more hunting days to the MBCA. Problem with doing that is it's a 3 government agreement (Canada, USA and Mexico) which are parties to the agreements in the Act. All 3 countries would have to agree to the change. For some reason they came up with the limit in the first place. Might be a hard change to get through but worth a try!!
must be nice to have a big azz lake that rarely freezes I haven't seen a goose here in that time frame in....forever lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
get ready for the invasion of the out of county outfitters and freelancers Bandwagon! anychane of you and the crow master breaking the ontario record this year?
Be careful what you ask for, by adding more days , this could possibly put a serious dent in the population of ducks and in poor productive/breeding years may cause a serious decline in the number of ducks available to us hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
Geese that's another story.
Agreed!!Quote:
Opening hunting opportunities for all hunters is way more important than keeping a late season goose hunt.
What needs to happen is the early and late goose season needs to be changed to be a cull or conservation season which is what it was designed for not an actual "hunting season". The feds already do this to get around no hunting being allow in national parks so they have "culls" to get rid of too many deer and for snow geese in the spring which is a "conservation season". This will then allow the maximum number of days under the North American Waterfowl Treaty to only include the hunting season not the "cull" or "conservation" season while still making sure the other waterfowl populations are not negatively affected. Thus allowing for Sunday hunting and a Feb/March season. A true win/win in my books.
Now that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snip
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Originally Posted by Fox
I imagine for outfitters who rely on the late season for income, when Sunday gun hunting opens, it is a loss. I wonder if they make it up during the fall season? I wonder if this ends up being the case? Or is early goose better with the Sunday included. Without derailing the thread, If any outfitters wish to chime in? I know a few outfitters from areas that used to have Sunday gun hunting have moved down to the Dunnville area and secured some fields.
For myself (shift work) opening Sunday hunting does not really matter. I enjoy the late season.
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When you introduce Sunday hunting its a loss on total waterfowl days available, we do have a late season and as a result we are covered up with outfitters and some are coming as far as 5-6 hours away. The outfitters like the sunday hunting in there home turf then just set up a remote camp here in SW Ontario for the week. I see the advantage of Sunday gun hunting in parts of the province that would not benefit from the late season but for us in southern Ontario it sucks. I continue to battle with the OFAH every time to pitch the idea to the local townships, we have won some and lost others.
Total number of days available to hunt waterfowl remains the same whether you have Sunday hunting or not...it's just a reallocation of days
Exactly, that is the way it's always been.Quote:
Originally Posted by krakadawn
its not a net loss of 2 days?
Wonder if they could go the nuisance route and just have the late season everywhere??First year my area guelph/eramosa Went Sunday. Absolutely sucks! Birds everywhere