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A recently completed meta analysis of 6000 different peer reviewed scientific studies conducted over the last 21 years from all over the world show that GMO corn is higher yield and less toxic than non-GMO varieties:
https://www.sciencealert.com/after-t...y-good-for-you
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21284-2
Grandpa was a big advocate from the 1950s right up to the day he died. Looks like science supports his position.
Was Grandpa a scientist ?
He was a farmer with a masters degree in chemistry with an agricultural specialization. Finished his Master's degree during the depression and than after WW2 started full time with Canada Packers and ultimately ended up as VP there. He was heavily involved in starting their salmon farms out west and their canola processing plants. That's the Canadian side of the family. The other side were chicken farmers that immigrated from The Netherlands during the late 40s.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
They taken corn and gotten it to taste like a bland bowl of sugar. Keep your peaches and cream and give me the old type yellow corn anyday.
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Originally Posted by sawbill
You've got that right for sure, good ole yellow corn "that actually tastes like corn "
Chemical company executives advocating for chemically GMO food? No bias or conflict of interest there,eh? ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
I heard an interview with an ex-Greenpeace member now turned GMO proponent. He said that the whole eco-warrior social justice crowd that insists we look at the real science surrounding climate change is itself choosing to ignore the real science surrounding GMOs, because it doesn't fit their agenda. He said when you look at it scientifically, the anti-GMO argument falls apart.
GMO-the real impact of it, we will know in.......maybe 20-30 years.
Until then-everyone approaches this topic as he/she sees it fit.
Meanwhile-we should ask the Monarch Butterflies ,if the GMO is actually contributing to their dismay(so i heard)
Just plant milk weed. It is what they eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
The deer seem to be doing ok, they are eating tons of the stuff.
Corn , is not their only food, they are browsers and eat a variety of nutritious foods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
They eat a heck of a lot of corn and soybeans, ask the farmers how much they lose to turkeys and deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Your venison is not organic and non-GMO.
Every deer that I ever shot and gutted was packed full of corn in the fall - I always grow a large garden and always make space for corn - some of the corn is really sweet - almost tastes like sugar - man it is good tasting - love going out there every day and picking a couple of ears for dinner in the summer - you can still get old fashioned corn from some seed catalogs - you have to be careful that you plant the same type otherwise the pollination gets screwed up - if you are planting different types you have to keep them separated
The pollination does not do anything to the plant in that year, the weird things happen in the following year. If you have seed that grew really odd corn then it was from the seed that you grew, not from being too close to other corn.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
We always planted yellow beside peaches and cream, never had any yellow only on the peaches and cream and no bi-coloured ones in the yellow only.
The actual distance you need to keep them apart for seed is a long distance, your garden is probably not big enough to plant 2 types for seed purposes.
I am not interested in growing corn for seeds - I grow it to eat - the seed catalogs tell you to keep Sh2, SE/se other types separated by planting at least 10 days apart or 200 ft apart - I have two gardens plots - both are roughly 30 ft by 28 ft - one has a plastic coated metal fence around it - 7 feet high - I have to do that otherwise the animals - especially deer, rabbits, coons and groundhogs would eat everything on me - in the other plot I plant things that the animals don't like to eat - like cucumber, squash and tomatoes - I also have 25 fruit trees that I tend to - pretty much eat off the land in the summer and fall months - I just got my seeds in the mail the other day and will be starting to plant some seeds for seedlings to be planted when the weather warms up - I usually plant peppers around this time of the year because they take a long time to germinate and grow slow - the other thing that I have is 20 blueberry plants - get enough blueberries to last me all year when i freeze them - life is good out here in the country -
Hi SnowwalkerQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
I do not say Monarch eat corn-they do eat milkweed.
But the GMO corn requires different chemicals then the old non GMO corn does for weed control, and that chemical is actually killing the milkweed.So .......
Also the pollen from GMO corn is deemed toxic to the Monarch Butterflies.
MANY ARTICLES ON THE NET..........
If i am to choose,i choose Monarch Butterflies survival, for our kids and grand kids.....alongside the regular corn.
I have something very similar, our house is on an old orchard, we have fence rows covered in blackberries and black raspberries, a 5000sq ft garden and a bunch of different fruit bushes, we can 1000 jars a year or so, some for sale and some for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
The cross pollination thing though is not widely known, it is the generation down the road that will be effected, not the one that year, so if you are not keeping seeds then you do not have to worry.
We keep our own tomato seeds, keep only what produces in our soil, makes for a stronger plant down the road, essentially our own GMO tomatoes and delicious.
You have to understand how corn pollinates
Each strand of silk is one kernel of corn on the cob
So silk is female tassel is male
Have two rows of sweet corn side by side each diffferent varieties but have same maturity detassle row A this has to be done before tassel has pollen so while it is still in the whirl
Row A becomes a female only
Row B will self pollinate itself plus pollinate row A again if timing is right
Put a paper bag over a ear of corn before silk appears and you have a blank cob of corn this is why sometimes you have sweet corn with missing kernels the silk was damaged someway by bugs or a bird or weather
So if you have sweetcorn of one variety that was pollinated by another variety you would be eating traits from both
Yes, but those traits will not actually be seen in the corn until they are planted, the genetics are there but the full change is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
The corn pollen can travel on the wind up to a half mile, so if the traits were noticeable in the first year product anyone planting sweet corn within 1/2 mile of cattle corn would have the potential for some pretty brutal sweet corn.
Your missing the timing aspects of pollination (this could be a 48 hour window) why most sweet corn is shorter season than commercial field corn
I grew commercial production of seedcorn for 25 years worked for a seed company for 20
Shake your head for a second
Trait is in that kernel the minute it’s formed if it’s eaten you ate the traits if it’s kept for seed it’s carried till next growing cycle where another trait could be introduced
These latest studies as per original post , have been published by who??
The last two days I have been trying to find info on this group to see if they have any credibility or any credentials behind their names,to be able to verify their studies, but I have not found anything to back them up.
It really makes me wonder if they have any connection to "The Big Chemical Co's.] and consequently "Big Dollars "
After over 20 years of studies on the negativity of GMO'd corn, I have serious doubts about this latest , that [It is good for you].
I will stick with and believe all the studies on it's negativity and be happy to see more song birds and monarch butterflies because there are fewer chemicals /sprays being used to grow non GMO'd corn, by which we all benefit.
GMO corn and beans actually lead to less pesticide use on the whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Not according to the people that are in the know .Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Jaycee,
This was not a study. It was an analysis/summary of every peer-reviewed study that the research scientists could find (over 6000 studies) conducted during the last 21 years.
The scientists were from the University of Pisa in Italy. No idea where the funding came from but neither Italy or Europe are known for being pro-GMO. In fact they are usually quite anti-GMO.
The way i understand their findings is that the studies show both pros and cons where GMO corn is concerned but that on the average the peer-reviewed results show significantly more pros than cons.
I have no ideological problems with eating GMO produce. Sometimes, hell quite often science improves agriculture.
The above may be questionable, for comparison;Quote:
[COLOR=#000000]Sometimes, hell quite often science improves agriculture
A good friend of ours[dairy farmer] with just over 300 head in his dairy herd, has over that last number of years gone back to organic farming, claiming he is not loosing cows like he used to, they are not aborting, his herd is healthier, better and more milk production. He claims this has all happened and he can verify with records over the years , that going back to organic , is costing him less , with a healthier herd.
If a dairy herd is much healthier by being fed organic feed, would it not also make sense that the same reasoning would apply to the humane race , we would be healthier if we weren't fed all those chemicals in the food we eat?
When I was much/much younger, in elementary school, high school, [fat kids & adults were the exception], now look around we are surrounded by them waddling all over the place , Why ???
Don't forget it is all dollars and cents for companies like " Bayer " /Monsanto , millions/billions.
In our area there are quite a few farmers slowly going back to the old ways, getting away from chemicals .
Also in our area , a few cash croppers are going away from chemicals and in time their farms will be certified organic, there is one in particular that is farming close to 700 acres organically, he gets almost 3 times more for his organic corn and soybeans than the farmer next to us that relies on GMO'd seed and chemicals which really pizzez our neighbor to no end.
There must be something to growing organic if it brings a higher market price.
is this farmer getting the same yield as producers that use gm seed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Doesn't have to, he gets three times the market value for his product.
Thanks, you beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
sounds like he is quite successful at it.
We were at a local pancake /sausage/ maple syrup birthday breakfast this morning at a friends sugar bush.
During a conversation with a couple of local farmers heard them saying that they are seriously thinking of going "organic " with their corn and soybeans. They mentioned that the ones in the area that were growing organic corn got $1,000.00 per ton for it. They said that it was quite an incentive to go organic even though it would be a few years before their farms could be registered as being organic.
1000.00 per acre believable 1000.00 a ton I be running for some high boots she’s getting deep
I guess it is, I just looked up the price of On./2017 feed corn crop/organic @ $12.00 bushel times 56 bushels per ton = $672.00Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Unless they were talking human consumption corn? this may be at a higher price.
But that is still much higher than ,
London Average Corn;CornOld Mar 2018 Mar 2018 May 2018 385-2 63 $4.48
CornNew Oct 2018 Nov 2018 December 2018 404-2 65 $4.69
CornOld Mar 2018 Mar 2018 May 2018 385-2 63 $4.48 CornNew Oct 2018 Nov 2018 December 2018 404-2 65 $4.69
It’s actually 39.368bu/metric ton
56 # to the bu
Yes you are right, my mistake [ 56 lbs. per bushel ] , trying to type too fast and not reading what I was typing.Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn