Could This Happen in Canada

The Armed Citizen - Georgia authorities named a 68 year old business owner an honorary deputy for his heroism during an armed robbery. The businessman was closing his shop for the day when two young thieves burst through the door. They demanded his money, then one struck him in the face for good measure. Although dazed, he grabbed a shotgun and fired, striking both suspects. Both teens were hospitalized and have since been taken into custody and charged in connection with the robbery. The Burke County Sheriff's Office later recognized the victim, presenting him with the honorary deputy title and badge. (wrdw.com,Augusta, GA., 12/15/17

Even something as simple as walking a dog can put a person in harm's way, but a Michigan woman was able to withstand a recent threat because she had a gun. While the woman was walking her dog for his nightly walk, a stranger came up from behind and grabbed her. The armed citizen responded by pressing her handgun against the alleged assailant's gut. The pet owner had been in a heightened state of awareness because she had earlier noticed a black van with no windows idling on the side of the street ahead of her. She then caught sight of a man getting out of the vehicle and strolling parallel to her as she walked her dog. The uneasiness of the situation prompted her to grip her gun while it was still in her jacket pocket. When the man later took hold of her coat, she drew her gun, pushed it into his stomach area and reportedly said "I don't want to kill you" . The thug scurried off (fox32chicago.com, Chicago Ill., 12/7/17)

Thousands of such instances happen every day -

'Thousands of such instances occur every day'
And your source for this statistic is where?

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Originally Posted by JoePa

The Armed Citizen - Georgia authorities named a 68 year old business owner an honorary deputy for his heroism during an armed robbery. The businessman was closing his shop for the day when two young thieves burst through the door. They demanded his money, then one struck him in the face for good measure. Although dazed, he grabbed a shotgun and fired, striking both suspects. Both teens were hospitalized and have since been taken into custody and charged in connection with the robbery. The Burke County Sheriff's Office later recognized the victim, presenting him with the honorary deputy title and badge. (wrdw.com,Augusta, GA., 12/15/17

Even something as simple as walking a dog can put a person in harm's way, but a Michigan woman was able to withstand a recent threat because she had a gun. While the woman was walking her dog for his nightly walk, a stranger came up from behind and grabbed her. The armed citizen responded by pressing her handgun against the alleged assailant's gut. The pet owner had been in a heightened state of awareness because she had earlier noticed a black van with no windows idling on the side of the street ahead of her. She then caught sight of a man getting out of the vehicle and strolling parallel to her as she walked her dog. The uneasiness of the situation prompted her to grip her gun while it was still in her jacket pocket. When the man later took hold of her coat, she drew her gun, pushed it into his stomach area and reportedly said "I don't want to kill you" . The thug scurried off (fox32chicago.com, Chicago Ill., 12/7/17)

Thousands of such instances happen every day -

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She should have pulled the trigger !!

Quite a society down there.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

Quite a society down there.

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Yes in both cases they were a very aware of what was going on type of society, and both are alive because of it!
Had they been lacadaisical, they both could be very dead!

Ya - never a dull moment down here - that's for sure

Jaycee:

My comment was two-fold:

1. What an absolute shame that rich democratic country once viewed as the shining light and leader of the free world has devolved into a society so prone to violence. Overmedication has its downfalls I guess. I have not researched violent crime rates in the US vs the rest of the developed world but I bet Mosquito will post a full pager with them all listed shortly.

2. The notion that a person should feel the need to arm themselves while walking their dog is positively ridiculous. Has America returned to the Wild West days where everyone should be packing just in case the man wearing the black hat rides into town ?

Even carrying a gun, they live in fear. Land of the free ,what hogwash.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Even carrying a gun, they live in fear. Land of the free ,what hogwash.

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When They carry, they don't fear anyone but they sure are a very respectful group of nut jobs.

Glad they both managed to walk away with their lives and not being charged. Up here both would have been charged and most likely put in jail. Defending yourself in Canada can lead to you getting into more trouble then the criminals but still wouldn't want every citizen being able to carry. We just need to change the law so it protects/supports the victims more than the criminals.

Having a right and exercising that that right are two different things.

In Canada..you don't have that right in the second case.

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Originally Posted by line052

Having a right and exercising that that right are two different things.

In Canada..you don't have that right in the second case.

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You always have that right, you have the right to do anything, you also have consequences for your actions.

If you need a gun to protect yourself you better know that your life is in danger and deal with what happens next, you have that right.

There are many factors why our society is so violent - I've named them before and won't do that again - one big factor is our immigration policies - we let all kinds of people into our country - many are illegal and many come from third world countries where law and order hardly exist - we have the inner cities where 73% of the kids are born without a dad in the house - without parental guidance many of these kids join gangs and raise all kind of hell - the sad part is that any solution to these problems are dismissed and so you can only watch as things will get worse - when my folks came to America from Germany they had to have a sponsor and a job - they worked hard and raised 3 kids with a strong moral up bringing - a big difference compared to what happens today

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Originally Posted by JoePa

There are many factors why our society is so violent - I've named them before and won't do that again - one big factor is our immigration policies - we let all kinds of people into our country - many are illegal and many come from third world countries where law and order hardly exist - we have the inner cities where 73% of the kids are born without a dad in the house - without parental guidance many of these kids join gangs and raise all kind of hell - the sad part is that any solution to these problems are dismissed and so you can only watch as things will get worse - when my folks came to America from Germany they had to have a sponsor and a job - they worked hard and raised 3 kids with a strong moral up bringing - a big difference compared to what happens today

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How many of these school shooters have been non-white?

Las Vegas, worst mass murder in US History, what color was the Shooter ? White Middle Class American, That was a Lot of Violence and only a short time ago and almost forgotten about already. And by all accounts could have been a lot worse. It was a well planned and thought out procedure . But the American way right now seems to be Blame the Immigrants for everything. Most of them can't afford 15-20 highpowered assault rifles.

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Originally Posted by BIG MAC

Las Vegas, worst mass murder in US History, what color was the Shooter ? White Middle Class American, That was a Lot of Violence and only a short time ago and almost forgotten about already. And by all accounts could have been a lot worse. It was a well planned and thought out procedure . But the American way right now seems to be Blame the Immigrants for everything. Most of them can't afford 15-20 highpowered assault rifles.

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They also tend to forget that they are products of immigration too and at one point the people before them felt the same way about them as they feel about those coming in now, the only difference is the skin colour.

These mass shooting are only a very small portion of the shootings that go on in this country - heck in Chicago alone over a holiday weekend there is more shootings - it is no secret that certain cultures are more prone to violence - just look at the makeup of our prison population - facts are facts

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Originally Posted by JoePa

These mass shooting are only a very small portion of the shootings that go on in this country - heck in Chicago alone over a holiday weekend there is more shootings - it is no secret that certain cultures are more prone to violence - just look at the makeup of our prison population - facts are facts

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Racism has nothing to do with your prison population?

There is a direct correlation between poverty and violence, not race and violence.

Look back 30 years, white gangs were predominant, groups that you would claim to be the best now were the worst gangs of the time. The Italian gangs, Jewish gangs, Irish gangs, POOR gangs, this is what happens, it is not race and it is not immigration, it is poverty.

Now, when you take those poverty based shootings out of it, how do you explain well to do white kids blowing away peers.

Fox - "There is a direct correlation between poverty and violence, not race and violence." -

Well Fox explain something to me - how come myself and everyone I knew growing up didn't turn into criminals even though we were real poor - we had less than the so called inner city poor of today - who have all kinds of government help - growing up I knew of families where the fathers were killed in a coal mine and left kids and a wife behind - there was no welfare in those days - the wife had to go to work and the church and relatives helped the family get by - when my uncle was killed he left 7 kids and a wife - you know something everyone of those kids grew up to solid citizens - no one became a criminal - so don't give me that line about poverty is the cause of people becoming criminals - that is plain horse manure

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Fox - "There is a direct correlation between poverty and violence, not race and violence." -

Well Fox explain something to me - how come myself and everyone I knew growing up didn't turn into criminals even though we were real poor - we had less than the so called inner city poor of today - who have all kinds of government help - growing up I knew of families where the fathers were killed in a coal mine and left kids and a wife behind - there was no welfare in those days - the wife had to go to work and the church and relatives helped the family get by - when my uncle was killed he left 7 kids and a wife - you know something everyone of those kids grew up to solid citizens - no one became a criminal - so don't give me that line about poverty is the cause of people becoming criminals - that is plain horse manure

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You are both correct. Poverty without support and love leads to crime. The people you know had the support and love of their community/church/extended family and as a result their poverty did not result in crime. Government help is not the same as support from people who know you, love you and believe in you. Take the personal relationship away add in the poverty and crime goes way up whether there are government programs or not. Fox's point however stands - put people of any colour in the same desperate situation and they will resort to crime at the same rate regardless of their race. Just ask the Nazi's - they had no problem finding collaborators in white Europe.

The major cause of crime and poverty is the break down of the family - until that is taken care of there is no solution to this major problem - and where is this most prevalent - in the inner cities - where 73 % of babies are born to single mothers - until this trend is reversed and fathers take the responsibility of raising their children crime and poverty will not go away - a child that is raised in a broken family - no matter what the skin color - will have a big disadvantage when competing with a child that is raised in a structured family where the child is taught right from wrong and is supported - unfortunately that is not happening to many inner city children -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

The major cause of crime and poverty is the break down of the family - until that is taken care of there is no solution to this major problem - and where is this most prevalent - in the inner cities - where 73 % of babies are born to single mothers - until this trend is reversed and fathers take the responsibility of raising their children crime and poverty will not go away - a child that is raised in a broken family - no matter what the skin color - will have a big disadvantage when competing with a child that is raised in a structured family where the child is taught right from wrong and is supported - unfortunately that is not happening to many inner city children -

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There is a cultural difference as well. In one culture If you got a girl pregnant when you where 16, you got a union card for Xmas/birthbay and a shift at the mine. In the other culture the girl can live better( or at least they think it is better) if she says she don't know who the father is.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

The major cause of crime and poverty is the break down of the family - until that is taken care of there is no solution to this major problem - and where is this most prevalent - in the inner cities - where 73 % of babies are born to single mothers - until this trend is reversed and fathers take the responsibility of raising their children crime and poverty will not go away - a child that is raised in a broken family - no matter what the skin color - will have a big disadvantage when competing with a child that is raised in a structured family where the child is taught right from wrong and is supported - unfortunately that is not happening to many inner city children -

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Check in and see what poverty looked like in the 1930s and earlier, back when families stayed together.

Furthermore, if your claim that the family breakdown is what is causing the poverty and all your problems, which are all causes by immigrants, take a look at the family dynamic of immigrant families. Immigrant families are not breaking up like those American and Canadian problems.

Lots of holes in your "evidence" there Joe.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

These mass shooting are only a very small portion of the shootings that go on in this country - heck in Chicago alone over a holiday weekend there is more shootings - it is no secret that certain cultures are more prone to violence - just look at the makeup of our prison population - facts are facts

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Yes certain cultures are more prone to violence, we call them Americans. Your prison is full of Americans who's culture has been in the country for 300 years, how do you get more American than that?

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Yes certain cultures are more prone to violence, we call them Americans. Your prison is full of Americans who's culture has been in the country for 300 years, how do you get more American than that?

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The US has only Existed 1776.
2018 - 1776 = 242 years. What year you living in?
By the way a large percentage of the Prison Population is made out of Illegals( NON citizens).

So I was off by a few years, but most of those criminals in their prison are Americans, even if they were stolen from Africa over 200 years ago. 10 generations in America, make you American, their 'culture' is American. They have learned well, from the very violent history of 'their' country. They live by the rule, 'might is right'.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

So I was off by a few years, but most of those criminals in their prison are Americans, even if they were stolen from Africa over 200 years ago. 10 generations in America, make you American, nothing else. They have learned well, from the very violent history of 'their' country. They live by the rule, 'might is right'.

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You would think that............................. but it's not the way it is......... There are plenty that believe their heritage comes first....

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

So I was off by a few years, but most of those criminals in their prison are Americans, even if they were stolen from Africa over 200 years ago. 10 generations in America, make you American, their 'culture' is American. They have learned well, from the very violent history of 'their' country. They live by the rule, 'might is right'.

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I did not know Hispanics came from Africa. Thanks for telling me. I ALWAYS thought they came from places like Mexico and central or South America.

LOL. Look it up everyone came from Africa. Every. Last. One.

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LOL. Look it up everyone came from Africa. Every. Last. One.

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I hope you are kidding. I know the muslims still get slaves from Africa.

Fox - "Check in and see what poverty looked like in the 1930s and earlier, back when families stayed together." Boy Fox do you realize that you just went full circle and are back to where I was when I said that even if you are poor but have a strong family structure - crime is not a by-product - that is exactly what I said when i told you that myself and others were poor and did not end up committing crime - thank you for agreeing with me for a change - even if you didn't intend to - you made my day - thanks

During the salve trade years black tribes were involved in rounding up people from other tribes to be sold as slaves - the Arabs were the major slave traders - everyone who does any wrork with inner city people will tell you that the biggest problem is the lack of a good family structure - kids without a loving mother and father - and until this is recognized and deal with you will never fix the problems in the inner cities - that is one of the biggest reasons why problems of all sorts are never fixed - because the truth cannot be stated without someone calling you a bigot or racist - you can't say what is true because it might offend someone - and God forbid - you don't dare offend anyone today - that is why some dopey PM is advocating that we omit the word man from everything

Maybe , just maybe parental responsibility was detrimental in the past ,when humans were bred by their owners,( to people they didn't love, against their will), the children removed from parents and put into 2 categories, field or domestic, for many generations.

Sorry Fish" but that ain't the cause of family breakdown in black families that we see today - at one time black families were very close but when the government started making it profitable to have babies without fathers around the situation grew out of hand - a girl was being brought up in a small apartment with 6 or 9 other siblings and then finds out that she can get her own apartment if she has a child and then gets a monthly check from the government - then finds out that she can get a bigger check if she has more children - so after having 6 to 10 kids she's doing ok - but unfortunately without a good father around to help raise the kids many turn to gangs and crime - the government promoted this sad commentary - this chain of poverty has to be broken by getting a good solid family structure accepted to these communities - otherwise you are p------ into the wind

Agreed JP. Well they were forced labour for 245 years, 10 generations, the 8th great grandparents. They have been free for 150 years,( on paper), not near as long. Back then they had to do the hard work for no pay. I guess some want- feel entitled, to do it the other way around. Pay backs can be a ......